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When did freedom for Iraqis become so important to the US GOVERMENT !? Saddam was a brutal thug 15 years ago when the USA supported and armed him. If the USA let it slide then the USA can't use morality as their main justification now, especially since their are still supporting 3rd world dictators, and DRUGLORDS in south america. How did the US propaganda went from hunting OBL to liberating Iraqi's in less than a year and a half ? Why is US prez. GWB telling the same shit over and over again.... |
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youre asking us? |
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Why cant 87% of the 18-24 year old Americans find Iraq on a map !? |
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How can this possibly matter at this stage? ;) |
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Yeah...since this war is based on forged documnets....you gotta point there... |
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hehe freedom? It's all about thoose $$$$$$$... down to the last cent: "To the victor goes the spoils" "Before the war began, the United States Agency for International Development invited a few well-connected companies – including Kellogg, Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, the oil-services firm that Vice President Dick Cheney used to run – to bid on a massive infrastructure-rebuilding contract for Iraq." That's what it's ALL about. |
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the whole CDMA deal (you can read about that in the article I posted a link to).. that's what REALLY pisses me off... Some people are too selfish for this world. Yet they're all doing fine. fuck them. |
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Freedom for Iraq? I wonder what type of freedom they're referring to? Will they be free to elect a fundamentalist government? Free to nationalise their oil industry? Free to close their markets to western corporate interests? |
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it's all about $$$... sometimes USA forget about the whole oppressor/opressed deal... You can't tell them to think about it either, cause some of the people has too much interest in money and too much power... |
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they've already suppoted pinochet in chile who was a notorious disctator as well as numerous dictators, it all depends what the monetary inte3rest is . there are a number of reasons why iraq is target number 1 for the us but most of it seems to be bacause they are one of the worlds most oil rich countries - against all international pressure the us have already begun implementing their own companies in iraq - theyv'e given one of iraq's main ports over to a us company . it's not freedom they're interested in - it's transparently about forming a us lead democracy in the middle east - what they should be concentrating on - and the source of much hatred of the west is the revolting apartheid like situation in israel, but paradoxically - they support it . |
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This is an excellent article about the reasons for the war... |
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yeah seen that but it;s not entirley fair - this lot including donalld rumsfeld wanted to make big moves in the middle east since 1988 http://www.newamericancentury.org/ |
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What do you mean "not entirely fair"? Seems the plausible reason I've heard so far. I think we should all now start referring to him as Ronald Dumsfeld. More apt. And Colon Bowel... 'cause he's full of shit |
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it's on the news that washington are saying they are gonna run iraq after the war as the administration. invasion ? i think so |
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there are loads of other more apprent reasons like the ones that are happening right now |
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Like what exactly? |
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great site you posted... really made me laugh... seriously. it was scary. |
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However, wont the IRAQI people profit from a regime change !? |
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depends... if THEY want to. sure they'll profit. |
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Hard to predict... Did Southern Americans benefit from the many regimes the US installed there during the cold war? I guess if you ask how lucky normal men were with Augusto Pinochet for instance... |
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well the way the change is happening... and for the reasons. that sucks. |
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True, I wouldn't like to get a government in that way either, definately with 12 years of economical boycots and so forth. I am aware of all that. But I believe it's hard to predict how things will evolve in the long run. |
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So, what other possibilities are there to get rid of Saddam !? Are there any diplomatic solutions ? Can you negotiate about HumanRights, with someone like Saddam Husayn ? (Sorry, I didnt really bother to read thru the hundred replies of the other IRAQ threads) |
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Declare war is never a solution. Not sure Saddam is negotiable either. But then get rid of him. Not the country. USA should not build the infrastructure either... |
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it's so obvious USA's doing this for their profit. not for the population of Iraq. And that's sick. Making money killing people. Killing people should never be allowed unless it's some form of selfdefense... think about it... I just want this war to be over asap. |
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Ok, but only getting rid of SADDAM wont help either. I think they had to kill his whole family, and basiclly wipe out the whole Baa'th party, and all its members.... |
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Correct! And talking about human rights to justify this war is crap. This has been going on for ages and just now it justifies war? And there are plenty of other governments/dicators guilty of these crimes, there never has been any war for this reason... |
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The above was in reply to Key_secret. I'm not sure if killing baa'th party members will bring any solution either. |
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Whats the solution...... |
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I don't know. The matter is really complicated, and there's probably some other reason besides the money alone. It's hard to get to know the entire truth about this thing. Sundag I watched a documentary about how the US lied to the saudi's by telling them there were Iraqi troops near their border ready to attack Saudi arabia in the months before the first gulf war. They even used fake satellite foto's and so on. There are things going on we don't know about. Damn, I wish a had the solution so the war could stop immediately. |
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but the iraqi people could not defend themselves from saddam. that was proven when the u.s. left them high and dry at the end of the gulf war. have you seen those leaflets that they are dumping on iraq. they are pretty funny they say something like: "this time we won't abandon you" they might as well say: "please trust us, we promise not to fuck you in the arse.. again.. honest" |
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because it's america. |
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Why didnt they kill Saddam in the first Gulf War !? I read somewhere, that the UN resolution for the first IRAQ war "expired"...or something like that.... |
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what if the u.s. spent all the money that is going into the war on research for hydrogen powered cars? then we wouldn't need the oil. we could get the heck out of there and ignore the inhuman actions of saddam's regime like we do with all the other dictatorships in world. |
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In the documentary mentioned it was stated by Norma Schwartzkopf himself that the US stopped the war too soon, so that Saddam could remain in power. The Iraqi army bombed the Kurds, but now they no longer have airplanes, I guess the situation is different now, but as said, we don't know enough about what's going on. |
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Michael Moore (bowling for columbine) is going to do another documentary, this time focusing on GW Bush and this whole fiasco. it should be pretty scathing. |
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I can't wait for that documentary and I hope (and am pretty confident) that i'll be as good as bowling for columbine. |
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C'mon on, the Iraqies are incapable of being free! They need america to tell them what to do! America is the most altruistic country ever!!! |
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LOL |
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Anyway. Iraq isn't such a big threat (as a country) as say North Korea. And nobody does shit about North Korea... Hmm... maybe because they don't have anything US can take adventage of? But NK is indeed a big threat... to the whole world. |
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Unfortunately getting rid of Saddam means war...he wasn't gonna take any other way out....mad baaaastard....war is always a tragedy, but give it a year and look at a developing Iraq, free of WND and murderous dictatorial oppression and then think "hmmm, maybe it was for the best after all" The fact that he still draws breath (as I write...allegedly!) just pisses me off no end... |
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didn't i hear somewhere that george w. bush is supposed to be a christian???? as one myself, i can say he hardly passes as someone who lives their life in a Godly manner. |
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stop this war please! |
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Yeah, a fundamentalist one....hence the war (good v. evil anyone!) I just can't believe that they didn't finish the **** off 12 years ago....would've saved all of this new millennium angst... :-( |
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plus, north korea would be a much more difficult war. mountainous terrain defended by millions of brainwashed people. |
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i'm afraid of america. fear is useless, but i can't help it. |
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yeah. but it's still a situation we need to deal with. Not necesseary by war (I don't believe in violence)... War is just so lame. Hurts so much more than the target. And one should keep ones eyes on the target... many people aren't very smart, like a certain Bush. Empathy is a kind of intelligence. It's already been stated to many times what Bush and his pals are in for... |
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War for oil: I was think, perhaps there is a different approach to the war for oil. We all know that the world oil reserves are running out, and without Iraqi oil, they will be gone by around 2020. With the oil companies doing little towards research for alternatives, then it looks clear that around 2020, there will be a huge economic downturn, worse than what we saw in the 1920s. We will be looking at a much poorer world. All you Americans with your SUV will have to give them up etc. In this world, with Iraq being one of the few places with oil left, Saddam or a likeminded dictator could, in effect hold the entire planet to ransom. The removal of someone like this, even if the oil doesnt go straight to American interests, may stall this economic decline, while hopefully we can get our act together and develop such things as hydrogen fuel cells, bio desiel, ethanol and many other ideas. While i hate the idea of war and am opposed to American led imperalism, i do support our troops out there. |
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so, why is it better that america has control? it's the same deal, only american oil companies hold the world for ransom, right? fact is that america will be in far more danger and the world tension will be much higher post-war. this war for our security is going to bring our security down. all the while ruining this nation that is already in the pits. u.s. gov officials say we will rebiuld iraq into this great democracy but now they are talking about letting iraq fund the reconstruction! the whole situation is so absurd, so horribly sick i can hardly imagine what goes through one who actually supports it. |
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cry |
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