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my dad reckons the first ever rapper was mohammed ali. |
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most forms of singing i can imagine have been invented hundreds of years ago, but rapping i dont know about.....you could be right |
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i reckon hes full of shit.. he tried telling me once that mike oldfield played all the instruments on tubular bells himself... i dont believe anything he says anymore |
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did ali ever release any rap? |
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Isn't it the Sugarhill gang or someone? Well they took it mainstream, at least. Rapper's Delight is a riot. |
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not that ive ever seen i dont think ive ever seen a kool herc record either come to think of it |
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Kool Herc never made records, he just DJed. And Jamaican 'toasting' predated Sugarhill Gang. |
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Some people do say Ali infuenced early MCs and stuff. First rap record was sugarhill, but they didn't use a DJ, they used a band which went against the origins of the music blah blah, but its a killer tune. |
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I presume you were being ironic when you said it George, but oldfield did play all the instruments on Tubular Bells himself. As to the "first rapper" issue, I'm sure people have been rapping for a long, long time. Gil Scott Heron for example, back in the early 70s, for a rap being recorded. Before that, jazz singing had a kind of rap on it. And before records, I'm sure there were black folks rappin' about cotton. |
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Yeah, Gill Scott Heron and the Last Poets were rapping way before the Sugarhill Gang. |
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Yeah but you wouldn't call them a rap record. But yeah, MCing goes back as far as language was invented |
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rappin' about cotton? thats well brutal huh |
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well, people rap about issues affecting them don't they George? If they're fo' real. And when they were slaves in the cotton fields of America, I imagine they rapped about cotton. |
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Paul Robeson was the first ever rapper. |
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Heh,has anyone heard Steven Hawkins rap? |
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fair enuff. i reckon they sang though. |
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Probably a combination of both, George. ON the left you have the first bluesmen, on the right, you have their more overtly rebellious and political offspring rappin' about the "fields of cotton, 'nd Yo! what have I gotten? I got an old man who can't stand, wit' dried callousey hands" or somesuch *ahem* |
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no, surely it was the more political ones who were singing cos they wanted to sound like bob dylan the famous political singer, and the ones who rapped would have been the crack smocking gun toting gold chain wearing ones? with adidas on |
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hehe smocking |
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:O George! |
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He was a baritone. And friend of the Welsh miners. |
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well you started it with your silly claims |
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silly claims? :O You mean my insighful hypothesies! :P |
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yeah, that. |
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"hiphop went from smoking crack to selling it." |
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Look mate, i don't need to you to search the internet and tell me what i already know. He also did a few raps in his time. |
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No, but you need to search the net. |
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can i buy any of these raps? i never heardof this guy who is he? |
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He was a 1950s black actor/singer/communist who was ostracised by the industry in the McCarthy red purges. He died broke, broken and alone. |
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well put, jonesy. *sniff* |
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thanks |
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lord buckley look it up |
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in that case, i reckon it's Dr. Seuss |
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interesting.. beat poet? or diff? |
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zero year spotting is useless really.. therefore, it's cool herc. he mc'd on his radio show. even though nothing was ever pressed.. |
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jazz / beat poet guy who liked to talk rhythmically |
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lord buckley is dope.. george k, i recommend you collect some of his works being the audiophile you are mate.. |
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one could also argue that many jazz musicians were the first rappers one guy i spoke to in florida last week was convinced louis armstrong was the first rapper - due to how he would talk to music and jive in the middle of sets the first documented rapper - who knows the first documented jazzer - who knows hard to pin point |
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gil-scott heron, curtis mayfield, bob marley, and parliament/funkadelic all integrated early ideas of rapping in their early 70s music. also, think beat poetry set to music in the 50s and 60s. |
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fred wesley(&the JB's)in little boy black (1974) starts this song by saying "rap" after which he does so. Alot of musicians may have "talked" over music way beforehe did, but probably didn't claim to "rap"? |
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yep im sniffing it out ta geeza |
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U Roy, a jamaican dj who is the father of toasting over a dub track, is credited by some to be the father of rap. |
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all this who was the first stuff is really silly - things prety much emerge -recorded/unrecorded genrefied etc it's impossible to say but people have alwaysd boasted or moaned in rhyme etc .. u- roy was the first jamacian radio dj to cut a toat to a record but he just got his style from r and b radio jocks in the states - they didn't cut any music .. |
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I think it doesn't matter who was first cos' them are here and they will rock you more than anyone ever did! |
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somehow i think i'm gonna be underwhelmed |
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yeah i know theres no way to know who was first but i just found out about 4 people i'd never heard of and i like rap so im quite happy now it was a useful thread for me.. |
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yeah that's decent - here are my reccomendations - reflections by iceberg slim - he was a big playa who wrote books and recorded this lp about his experiences - anything by the last poets stuff by the watts poets - those two are black power poets/rapeers lightnin rod - hustlers convention - early 70's funk with a mad story of hustling - a big influence on a number of mc's. also check u roy - "don't check me with no lightweight stuff" and big youth any stuff for jamacain toasting kicks - u-roy's style is beautiful - really lively and tuneful |
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sorry i mean the watts prophets - they and the last poets were 60's groups who rapped and rhymed - very political but a great insight into the black power movement of tne time blah blah blah |
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http://xltronic.com/mb/topic.php3?topic=28805&start=0&seekw rd=stephen%20hawking&seekrel=and&idxstart=0 |
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nice one.. serious result now :) |
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