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           George_Kaplan
             on 2003-03-27 13:05 [#00619778]
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he never did try it, did he?
 
  
         
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           evolume
             from seattle (United States) on 2003-03-27 13:23 [#00619799]
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drugs aren't for everyone. and everyone is affected  differently by them.  the only universal thing about drug  use is that if you are irresponsible with drugs you are  likely to get hurt.
  know your limits and only do what you feel you can handle.   make your own decisions and bring a buddy you trust and you  will probably do alright. 
 
  
         
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           evolume
             from seattle (United States) on 2003-03-27 13:25 [#00619805]
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if your life revolves around "getting fucked up" you may  have a problem.
 
  dont abuse... appreciate.
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 13:42 [#00619813]
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haha kubrick sure is opinionated. he has his opinions on "things  that are really interesting and stimulating", and he has his  opinions on what "the most stimulating areas 
  of life" are. in short, the quote is a huge pile of subjective crap, sorry  to say. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 13:44 [#00619818]
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well i guess it's not really crap, just an opinion. it makes  him sound ignorant, though. 
 
  
         
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           Archrival
             on 2003-03-27 13:44 [#00619819]
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Nice! well said :)
  Theres a lot of knowledge spreading around this topic, I  like it ;)
 
  BIG UP to Od step, crocomire, A minal, Wheateredstoner,  courn  mouth etc etc
 
  keep enjoying the good stuff :)
 
  
         
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           Archrival
             on 2003-03-27 13:45 [#00619821]
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never tried chemicals tho...only shroomz n that green, green  sticky icky shit :) 
 
  
         
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           X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-03-27 14:26 [#00619912]
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I'm not sure, it is simply what he determined from observing  and communicating with those people he knew, so if after  communicating with, and observing the subject, one comes up  with that conclusion I don't feel it's opiniated or ignorant  in any way, but more a sober man's study on his doped  friends. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 14:31 [#00619923]
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you don't understand. it's his opinion, yet he speaks as if it's fact.
 
  
         
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           X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-03-27 14:34 [#00619933]
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no that is just what you make out of it in my opinion ;)
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 14:42 [#00619950]
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heh
  maybe
  all i know is the quote bothers me. did he ever try LSD?
 
  
         
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           X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-03-27 14:47 [#00619957]
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I assume he didn't after reading that quote, but then again,  and I quote from a Steven Seagal flick:"Assumption is the  mother of all fuck-ups". 
 
  
         
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           ambsace
             from canaDUH. on 2003-03-27 14:48 [#00619958]
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steven seagal makes even jean claude van damme look good.
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 14:51 [#00619963]
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well, i'm certain he never tried it because on this subject  he sounds like a fool. it's foolish to draw conclusions on a  subject like drugs, an internal phenomenon that by this very  nature can't be fully observed from the outside, such as he  did.
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           George_Kaplan
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when i step out the house, i assume the ground's gonna be  there beneath my feet. hasn't done me any harm so far... 
 
  
         
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           mojogigolo
             from Vic (Australia) on 2003-03-27 19:20 [#00620424]
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crocomire- if "its hard to draw conclusions on a subject  like drugs", your cutting down of everyone elses opinions is  all the more confusing. 
 
  
         
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           od_step_cloak
             from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-03-27 19:24 [#00620426]
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"If you think E is less dangerous than alcohol, you've never  
  been chased by an electric guitar swinging E freak losing  contact with reality after snorting three pills in a row."
  Maybe not but I almost got stabbed by a former friend who's  had too much to drink a few weeks ago.
  And last year I almost got killed because a friedn who I was  with started shit with a gang.... andhe almost got beaten up  by a drunk maori ...all that shit.
 
  I seriously reckon you're more likely to get in a fight if  there's alcohol involved then when E is involved 
 
  
         
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           mimi
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some of you seem to be under the impression that the only  legitimate experience worth forming an opinion over a drug  that a person can have is by ingesting it.  i don't think  that this is the case... 
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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never tried LSD, don't want to. anyway i quit, so yeah.
  about half my cd collection has been rendered useless.
 
  
         
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           od_step_cloak
             from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-03-27 20:19 [#00620509]
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maybe so, but I think if you haven't done it and don't know  people who do, then it's likely that you don't know enough o  make a decent decision.
 
  It's like you hate techno when you've never heard it before,  or something. 
 
  
         
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           mimi
             on 2003-03-27 20:22 [#00620513]
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how many people are on here that you honestly think don't  know people who do drugs...? 
 
  
         
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           mimi
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not to be a bitch or anything..but in this day and age...
 
  
         
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           mojogigolo
             from Vic (Australia) on 2003-03-27 20:28 [#00620534]
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yes, you're more likely to get in a fight when drunk than on  e, but like all drugs its a matter of dosage really, and  while alcohol generally loosens you're inhibitions and makes  you stupid, amphetamine drugs will make you psychotic in  high enough doses. id rather take on someone who is drunk  and belligerant than try to deal with someone in the depths  of amphetamine psychosis. Also, regarding non-users opinions  - a non user can still observe the negative effects of drugs  on others as an absolute without doing the trade off against  the buzz they get, so in a way theyre perfectly suited to  assessing how beneficial/ harmful drugs are. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 21:39 [#00620615]
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no, i said it's hard to draw conclusions on something like  drugs WITHOUT TRYING THEM FIRST as kubrick seems to have  done, from looking at that quote. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 21:50 [#00620638]
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well and let me say this, it's not hard to draw some  conclusions like maybe you see people on drugs acting a  certain way and you say to yourself, i don't want to act  like that, so you don't take the drug. but it is impossible  to UNDERSTAND why they act that way if you've never ingested  the drug. what kubrick seems to have done is to not  understand the situation fully, and his conclusions may be  fine for him, i don't care what he does, but he can't  rightfully say the things he says about the people he's  observed because he really doesn't know what he's talking  about. 
 
  
         
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           mimi
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"perhaps when everything is beautiful nothing is  beautiful."
 
  actually, i think he points out an interesting aspect of  drug use with that part of the quote...i can relate to it  anyhow.  drugs pretty much lost all meaning for me when i  starting taking into account the fact that they completely  changed the way i felt about things, and i really wasn't  involved anymore.  sure, they're fun...but kind of a time  killer...for me, they're fake emotion anyways.  and many  will say that they unleash certain creativities...but i  would give somebody who is naturally wildly creative more  credit than someone who induces it with drugs anyways. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 22:06 [#00620679]
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perhaps when everything is beautiful, everything is  beautiful!
 
  lol
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 22:10 [#00620687]
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sorry mimi, i just had to >;
  click here for an interesting site that goes beyond  drugs into a possible future... 
 
  
         
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           mimi
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well there's always that..
 
  
         
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           AMinal
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-03-27 22:24 [#00620709]
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hehe cool site, thanks... it has links to lots of good info btw, not all "what is  man's future" type stuff 
 
  
         
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           cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2003-03-27 22:28 [#00620715]
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i would not be who i am today if it were not for LSD... kind  of fucks with me sometime you know? lsd is bad shit, but  good at the same time if you know what i mean 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 22:49 [#00620729]
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your welcome, AMinal.
  "Yet when the vertebrate genome gets rewritten, and  genetically-preprogrammed bliss becomes the norm of mental  health..."
 
  wild man, WILD
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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i haven't touched anything since this thread.
  'ARDCORE.
 
  
         
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           Monoid
             from one source all things depend on 2004-09-02 14:43 [#01321893]
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Drugs bring out the best in a person, so why quit ?
 
  
         
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           tlink
             from sofla (United States) on 2004-09-02 19:55 [#01322391]
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-09-02 20:02 [#01322405]
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I was kinda harsh in this thread.
 
  
         
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           elusive
             from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-02 20:03 [#01322408]
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Good luck to ya.
 
 
  
         
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           elusive
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edit, saw dates: Nice job, then, m8 :)
 
 
  
         
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