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           optimus prime
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 no more drugs for me thanks, this was my last day. had some  truffles, walked down the street, shrank down, watched  everything go in slow motion, and now i'm waiting for the  shit to fade out. i go into despair mode too often now, it's  not a fun thing, no not at all. last album to be heard in an  altered state: this is stina nordenstam.
 
  any other recent quitters? something? trying to make this  community viable. 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-03-26 16:45 [#00618248]
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congrates... shouldn't need chemicals to enjoy the world...  should be able to do that sober... it's healthier...  
 
  
         
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           Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-03-26 16:45 [#00618249]
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I try to do as little drugs as possible. I do fewer and fewer...
 
  
         
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           teapot
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i used to smoke weed, i refused to do anything harder and  then one day i smoked weed and it was differant... i didnt  know it was laced to the eyeballs... horrible experience...  havent touched a thing since and that was like 5 years ago
 
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           aron
             from saskatoon (Canada) on 2003-03-26 16:47 [#00618255]
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i've cut down on everything except weed
  i smoke a lot more weed now though :p
 
  
         
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           pachi
             from yo momma (United States) on 2003-03-26 16:49 [#00618261]
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i've always been drug free
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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you're not missing out.
  if anything weed made me realise how shallow venetian snares  is. i snapped my making orange things disc in half. 
 
  
         
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           Jarworski
             from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 16:52 [#00618271]
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Anyone who doesn't do drugs is obviously a fucking loser.
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
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im gonna get some heroin in this case...
 
  
         
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           pachi
             from yo momma (United States) on 2003-03-26 16:56 [#00618280]
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           Jarworski
             from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 16:57 [#00618283]
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< bill_hicks> You know I'm right < /bill_hicks>
 
  
         
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           Ophecks
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There's nothing I love more than hearing about how wasted  someone got on a Friday night! Excitement, intrigue,  suspense! 
 
  
         
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           optimus prime
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i thought it was wednesday?
  shit where am i.
 
  
         
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           Charles D Ward
             from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-03-26 17:00 [#00618290]
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I was about to do the same thing to the same record without  the influence of anything... just was listening to it for  too long 
 
  
         
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           Ophecks
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Haha, I wasn't directing that at you, just at... erm, drugs  in general I guess! I just don't like them, I'm never bored  enough to bother with them. 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-03-26 18:33 [#00618431]
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it always seems so stupid when people say something like  "Oh, I had a CRAZY fun time... can't remember a thing!!"  Well, what is the good of that? 
 
  
         
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           roygbivcore
             from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-03-26 18:59 [#00618474]
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i got drunk at my grade school today
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:05 [#00618481]
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My favorite people are the ones who never tried any drugs.  They always say helpfull things like "drugs are bad". Yes,  those people are great because they are walking libraries  full of knowledge and experience, and they are not at all  brainwashed. 
 
  
         
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             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:06 [#00618483]
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Its one thing if you've tried and it and go "not my cup of  tea". Fine, at least you know what its all about, but I ton  of people here bash drugs (all drugs, mind you, because we  all know that marijuana is equivilent to crack/cocaine) they  have no idea what the hell they are talking about and should  keep their mouths shut.
 
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           Cabbog
             from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:12 [#00618492]
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I don't take drugs.  I am drugs.
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:14 [#00618497]
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           corngrower
             from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:16 [#00618498]
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           The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-03-26 19:16 [#00618500]
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:20 [#00618505]
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           The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-03-26 19:21 [#00618507]
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           corngrower
             from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:25 [#00618511]
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I enjoy smoking marijuana to relax when I don't have any  responsibilities to tend to and combat my insomnia at  nightime.
 
  I enjoy drinking alcohol when at parties or out with friends  to help cut loose and have a good time.
 
  I enjoy using LSD to expand my perspectives and perceptions  of the world around me, and experience beauty and nature in  a new light.
 
  I enjoy using cocaine when I'm drunk and somebody gives it  to me for free.
 
  I also like being sober sometimes ;)
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:32 [#00618520]
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Yes, sober is fine. But eventually you build up a tolerance  to it. 
 
  
         
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           forck_02lynix
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i had done marijuana back in high school, and i didnt find  the experience too amusing.  rather disorienting and  blurred. i wonder - those who do smoke often, do you feel  concious enough to do normal sober-style things? like post  on this mb, read, make cds, etc? i know i felt like i  wouldnt have been able to. 
 
  
         
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           revpersona
             from Plainfield (United States) on 2003-03-26 19:50 [#00618541]
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I agree with you on this one Funkmaster.
  Drugs sux, your only hurting yourself.
 
  
         
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           od_step_cloak
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Blah blah I don't care if people hate them without trying  them  - it's their loss.
 
  I know that smoking weed and doing acid has helped my  imagination and doign E has helped me meet a lot of really  really ncie people, and it's totally made my life better
 
  and yes i have a lot of fun when i'm not on drugs.
 
  
         
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           Wolfslice
             from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2003-03-26 20:30 [#00618585]
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"those who do smoke often, do you feel  concious enough to do normal sober-style things"
  Totally.... The first few times you smoke is much different  then once you've become used to it.... I don't really enjoy  going into work high but thats about the only thing.... I  can do everything else as well or better if I'm a little  stoned....
 
  Mushrooms and LSD are completely different, only expierment  with these if you are willing to let them take control of  you. If you try and keep control, you'll end up panicing and  having a bad time... 
 
  Drugs arent stupid, only some of the people who use them  are.... 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-03-26 20:34 [#00618588]
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I can do anything on weed, although some things are a bit  tought to do than others. Listen to music high is great  although making music high is a slow process because you  have to interact with a being (computer code) that isn't on  the same brainwave pattern as you. 
 
  
         
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           corn_mouth
             from santiago (Chile) on 2003-03-26 21:27 [#00618622]
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seems to me that some peepz in here tend to look down on  drug users, most of them are too damn sober to visualize  life further than soberness.   There`s nothing outrageous  about having vodka shots with co-workers, or smoking a splif  with your girl listening to SAW2
 
  i love it, and screw everyone else.
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           AMinal
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-03-26 22:51 [#00618669]
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Reality is just a crutch for people who cant handle drugs! ...lol j/k obviously
  ive stopped smoking weed altogether a couple times this year  for a few weeks each.. (like right now)
  i want to make sure i can stop easily, and "reality" isn't  boring..
 
  i find it sort of funny when people who drink alchohol (and  presumably have been drunk) put down drug users....
 
  also, weed + music = wow ...and if someone replies with "i dont need weed to  appreciate music".. well neither do i, or anyone else
  but when something changes the way your mind works, it  changes the way you experience things including music
  experiencing things in that different way CAN be very  rewarding... so its not a question of "needing" drugs to  "enjoy" the world.. its simply that drugs can let you  experience the world in a way you cant have imagined before,  and you might enjoy that experience
 
  so you might be missing something whether you'd like that thing or not is another question
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-26 22:57 [#00618674]
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i replied in the start of drugs thread saying :
  why do some people assume that those who use drugs rely on  them to bring them happiness? 
  IGNORANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
  drugs i use, like shrooms and weed, are a retrofit for the  sober brain, nothing more, nothing less. it's about  DIFFERENT experiences. 
  "people shouldn't need chemicals to enjoy life" 
  SHUT THE FUCK UP PLEASE  it's the same as being a racist  you assume too much  and then you generalize based on these false assumptions  you think you can know what's going on with people you don't  
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           od_step_cloak
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It's just different perceptions, same as how listening to  SAW2 touches your mind differently than listening to N'Sync  or some radio poop. 
 
  
         
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           AMinal
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yeah just cus you use drugs doesn't mean you "need them to  be happy", or you have some sort of problem
 
  in the same way drinking alchohol doesn't make you an  alchoholic, or necessarily represents a problem
 
  everyone has their own reasons for doing it, some are  healthier than others 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 00:06 [#00618717]
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it's just that there's such SCARY SCARY PROPAGANDA going on  in the U.S. about this subject, it Brainwashes ALOT of  people. the brainwashers want to keep everyone ignorant and  scared of the generalised phantom demon "drugs", and with  good reason, because drugs such as marijuana and  psychedelics are prone to make people raised in this modern  world of human pasteurization more themselves and less a  robot cog in the society of the allmighty dollar to which we  are forced to pay taxes and give money/power to a few who  have aquired the most money/power over the centuries for  whatever reason, call it the right luck if you will, but the  fact remains: they do not represent and have no intentions  of representing humanity as a whole because they are  consumed by selfish money/power greed. It's such a SERIOUS  REALITY that it may get pushed to the back of the mind of  even those who realize it, because who can do anything about  it? only time and understanding of this problem by more and  more people will eventually solve this problem. 
 
  
         
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           Junktion
             from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-03-27 00:11 [#00618719]
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i just started smoking weed again, but i intend to stop when  my supplies are used up... 
 
  
         
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           neetta
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i smoke lots of weed, and i must admit that sometimes even  for pure reality escape. when i don't smoke i cry alot.  christ i have issues. 
 
  
         
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           surrounded
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never tried it... and i live in holland :-p Go figure...  hehe. I must be the last dutchie who's never been high ;-)
 
  I've just never gotten into any situation where i've been  confronted with drugs. (mostly because of my introverted  hermit-lifestyle). And i'm not that curious that i  just wake up one day and decide to go to a coffeeshop... i  just don't care enough i guess :-)
 
  But i don't mind (soft)drugs. It should be legalised  everywhere... or if the government really wanted to protect  us, they should also make alcohol and cigarettes illegal. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 00:56 [#00618760]
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oh yea, exactly. alcohol and cigs legal, it has nothing to  do with common sense, just money and circumstances. chance  is all it is. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 01:10 [#00618771]
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true words of wisdom you can't deny: don't knock it 'til you try it.
  even more wise would be: to each his own.
 
  
         
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           od_step_cloak
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Hahah me and my raver mates have had the "alcoholis the  worst drug ever why the fuck is it legal when e isn't"  conversation about a million times.
 
  I think alcohol probably *is* one of the more dangerous ones
 
  
         
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           mojogigolo
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i used to use a lot of shit, and smoke many times every day.  Paradoxically, its hard to see the falsity of drugs when you  are still using them. 
  Creativity comes from an individual, not a chemical. And if  you think E is less dangerous than alcohol, you've never  been chased by an electric guitar swinging E freak losing  contact with reality after snorting three pills in a row. 
 
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           Tommib
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-27 04:51 [#00618969]
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yes alcohol is one of the most dangerous ones - also because  it has become so normal in our society. you are seen as  being quite weird when you don't drink, even. its the other  extreme.
 
  on a different note, I read in the papers last week that  some scientists had gotten conclusive evidence that xtc  causes clinical depression. well, if you are a heavy user,  mind you.. :P 
 
  
         
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           bob
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i am trying to give up consumption of drugs at the minute.  and when you have a bunch of mates who keep coming round  with loads of them, you know that quitting is not going to  be easy.
  i wouldn't say that i'm an addict, but its really hard to  quit drugs when your life revolves around getting fucked up.  well it doesn't, but the people i hang out with are getting  that way, so its "time out time." 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2003-03-27 12:33 [#00619702]
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"its hard to see the falsity of drugs when you  are still using them."
  that's an opinion, not a fact. you decided for yourself that  all drugs are false somehow. that's fine. but don't state it  as it's a fact. others have differing opinions. i have  stopped using drugs for years at a time and have not come to  the opinion that they are false. 
 
  
         
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           X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-03-27 13:03 [#00619774]
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an interesting kubrick quote: " One of the things that's turned me against LSD is that all  the people I know who use it have a peculiar inability to  distinguish between things that are really interesting and  stimulating and things that appear to be so in the state of  universal bliss that the drug induces on a "good" trip. They  seem to completely lose their critical faculties and  disengage themselves from some of the most stimulating areas  of life. Perhaps when everything is beautiful, nothing is  beautiful." 
 
  
         
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