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offline Red from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 18:05 [#00606607]
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click here


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:06 [#00606611]
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absolutely ilegal war this one


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-03-20 18:12 [#00606623]
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this war is perfectly legal

and if it wasn't, it's fucking war, what's your point?


 

offline child810 from boston (United States) on 2003-03-20 18:12 [#00606624]
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"France regrets this action taken without the approval of
the United Nations," President Jacques Chirac said

Isn't France the ones who said they'd veto any second
resolutions presented by the US and UK?


 

offline Ctrl Alt Del from Ft. Worth (United States) on 2003-03-20 18:12 [#00606626]
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"all is fair in love and war, mutha fuckaaaaa!!"


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:14 [#00606630]
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this war is ilegal

this war is against UN

this war is lie going back 50 years in time

this war is the prove of how nazi the american goverment is


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:15 [#00606631]
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*lie = like


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-03-20 18:20 [#00606636]
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if it was really illegal wouldn't the international
community do something about it?

What's illegal about it? The UN was proven useless once
again and imho france should be ashamed of itself.


 

offline b0nk from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2003-03-20 18:26 [#00606640]
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the UN doesnt govern the USA


 

offline Asche XL on 2003-03-20 18:29 [#00606642]
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Exactly.

I still can't believe my ears when you people bash america
for bringing down saddam. You guys are sad, we should have
just sat around with our thumbs up our asses and wait to be
attacked right? Yeah, nice thinking.


 

offline Red from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 18:31 [#00606643]
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Why is legal and under whose authority - there was no
justification. These were the tatics first used by Hilter
and the very reason the UN came into existence soon after
the Second World War.

If it wasn'st illegal then why did the US, UK and Spain back
away from getting a an attempt to get a second resolution
passed by the UN as they knew it would be vetoed by France,
Russia and China...and would not get the support Hans Blix
and others have said that it would have taken 3 months
longer to disarm completely.

The weapons used by your miltary administration such as
bunker busters, daisy cutters are illegal under
International law...even the allies like UK and Australia
say they wont be using those. Which country in the world
has the largest proliferation of WMD...answer the USA.

Exactly where are the WMD now? It seems to me that the only
reason the gas masks and protective suits being donned by
those who wish to protect themselves are really for the
protection of the fallout of depleted uranium dropped in
the first place by US and UK planes not for the chemical
weapons as portrayed.



 

offline Morgoth from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 18:33 [#00606644]
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Erm, the international community means the UN I guess.

The US and their 'broad coallition' are have all signed the
UN charter of not starting wars without resolutions. So this
war goes against the basic principles of the UN, so it goes
against a "law" the countries themselves agreed with.

'Broad coallition of how many countries? I don't know, but
the majority of countries opposes this war!
Guess this makes it sort of illegal.

And if there's one country that should be ashamed: it's the
US. Thou shalt not kill it says in the bible, how can you
match that with "and may God continue to bless America"????
Even though they state they will do anything to minimize the
death of Iraqi's, there will be some killed in this war!

And by the way: is Saddam a threat to the US? Guess not, he
does not have one airplane that can fly over to the US with
bombs, he has not one missile that can reach over the
pacific ocean. Why be scared? Maybe the government tries to
scare you with false arguments so people support the war
that has other reasons than the ones the public officially
knows? Think about it!

All this crap in the name of "democracy" in a country where
the president was elected with less votes than his
opponent.
The land of "Freedom of speech" but the band Coldplay is now
touring the US with FBI officers at each concert because the
singer has once made statements opposing the war back in the
UK. If their singer says one thing against the war at any of
their concerts: he is obliged to leave the land of the free.
"It's not allowed to say stupid things in the US". What a
joke!
Fuck this war!


 

offline Red from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 18:38 [#00606645]
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Attacked with what exactly? Has Saddam attacked America yet
with the so called WMD your administration keeps claiming
that he still has? If the US is planning on dropping 3000
bombs and missiles in a day more than ever in the history of
any war the target and those affected is more than just
Saddam dont you think?
Who the fuck are you the God police, why dont you cut the
petrol and fill your gas guzzlers up with blood



 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:39 [#00606646]
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if it was really illegal wouldn't the international
community do something about it?
-------------------------------------------

what? attack the usa? come on


 

offline Red from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 18:41 [#00606647]
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Re-Coldplay - that really sucks

Peter Jackson (LOTR) and Will Smith nominees have pulled out
of the Oscars, the latter saying he was uncomfortable with
the idea of celebrating.

yea fuck the war


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 18:41 [#00606648]
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yes please fuck it !



 

offline Red from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 18:42 [#00606650]
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:P


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 18:42 [#00606651]
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nacmat, i was about to say the same thing
you cannot have any same argument than bush, thats just
being a pure asshole

imo


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:44 [#00606653]
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also the director from fineland wont go to the oscars



 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 18:44 [#00606654]
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an anti-war film ?


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-03-20 18:47 [#00606659]
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The whole principal of this is that it seems many folks out
there don't see sadam having these weapons. So my question
is where did he account for those scuds that he fired today?
What are you gonna say when he actually does use bio
chemical shit?

For what...12 years Sadam proved he didn't give two shits
about the UN because he knew they wouldn't do anything about
it. Finally someone has the balls to say "fuck you, you
carried this shit on long enough" and everyone gets all
pissy? C'mon this guy killed his own people! What would you
be thinking if your president killed your own people?

Well hate the US and this whole situation if you want but
don't hate me cuz i luv u guys!!! (In a non-homosexual
way!)

:D


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:47 [#00606660]
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I dont think so, he just doesnt feel like celebrating when
innocent people are under a bomb rain


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:49 [#00606662]
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they throwed 4 missils? 6? 8?

in the first 15 minutes of this war usa throwed 40 missils


 

offline nacmat on 2003-03-20 18:50 [#00606664]
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you cannot attack anybody for what you think he could do



 

offline Morgoth from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-03-20 18:50 [#00606665]
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right, and in the first gulf war, they didn't use bombs that
have "weakened" uranium in it: now many veterans are
suffering still from that! Bush senior has killed his own
goddamn soldiers in an even more painfull way.

And no one here has ever stated of being in favour of Sadam,
but it has until now never been proven that he had WMD that
he made himself, he only had what's left of what the fucking
US gave him to fight Iran.
What now: are the US going to correct their mistake by
making another?
Dzjeee, history has taught you idiots nothing. Making peace
by war? hahahahaha, that's a good laugh.
They should offer the good example.



 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 18:52 [#00606667]
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moaning about Scuds while hammering Baghdad with Cruise
Missiles (over a 100 already)..anything wrong with this
picture?..

anyway Scud is not a WMD the last time I checked...


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 18:52 [#00606668]
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virginpusher, thatas cool everyone thinks what he wants
once again i like americans like the rest of the world
just dont wanna see dead innocents
we all know things can go better in peace and harmony, yes
yes its not like santa close, it can happen, but it might
not really well shows up high lighted by mister bush
bombs...
mmmhh harmony is like flying away from all of us at speed
light


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-03-20 18:57 [#00606680]
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Personally i hate the idea of war. There is absolutely no
good reason for it. It doesn't ever solve anything.

For example that would be like glass_eater disagreeing with
me and me bombing his town. What would that accomplish?
Nothing. Would the disagreement be solved? No. People would
just wind up dead.

I don't like the thought that some innocent person could be
minding there own business and trying to buy applesauce when
they get a daisycutter to the face.

Killing solves nothing.

I guess i have a different view point but for the record i
do see where you guys are coming from. Which is why i don't
make decisions like this... it would totally ruin any chance
of sleep i hoped to have. :P


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-20 18:59 [#00606683]
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as a sort of an interlude, I'd like to post the letter
written by Michael Moore adressed to George W. Bush, 4 days
ago.

this is from www.michaelmoore.com

"Monday, March 17, 2003

A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve
of War


George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC

Dear Governor Bush:

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day
that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards
on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally
arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days
of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take
much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day,
'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters
and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on
this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street
in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE
about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why?
'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us!
No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is
how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is
not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or
not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!"


cont.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-20 19:00 [#00606684]
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"2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never
elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass
distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect
our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in
Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs
lost since you took office, the stock market having become a
cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are
going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the
list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this
go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck
to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole
world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans
among them.

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN.
The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out
against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize
that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is
a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you
went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your
place.

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of
South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed
forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please
send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let
them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every
member of Congress with a child of military age also
sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you
say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't
think so either!"


cont. below


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-20 19:00 [#00606686]
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"6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some
royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn
annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this
country known as America if it weren't for the French? That
it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for
us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers --
Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in
Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our
Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it
was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman
who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who
invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good
friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself,
straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them
for getting it right for once. You know, you really should
have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your
ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it
has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through
with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because
I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay
down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win"
the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls
as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a
good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's
some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this
victory all the way to next year's election. Of course,
that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a
good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even
further down the toilet!

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days
before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep
hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

Yours,

Michael Moore"



 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 19:00 [#00606687]
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hope saddam wont haunt your night :)


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 19:03 [#00606692]
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ah good one !
yeah he should be president
talking about that, i was thinking america is in the
"beginning" of its history compared to french or europe in
general, i really believe some revolution would be the best
thing to come now in the us.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 19:04 [#00606695]
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can always count on Moore to cut through the walls of gung
ho machismo and feigned indifference to US attrocities
errected by the US media and cut to the heart of American
Public Opinion...

thanks qrter


 

offline child810 from boston (United States) on 2003-03-20 19:06 [#00606697]
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haunts


 

offline Cfern from Sacto (United States) on 2003-03-20 19:07 [#00606700]
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the un is outdated... it was made to combat the cold which
ended 12 years ago...
.... it couldn't enforce it's own laws...


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-03-20 19:07 [#00606701]
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Lol @ the haunting!


 

offline child810 from boston (United States) on 2003-03-20 19:07 [#00606702]
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UN=pussys


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 19:09 [#00606703]
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thanks now we're all sure he will haunt us
will haunts ?? no way


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 19:11 [#00606705]
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lol get it
im slow and saddam is scary with its uniform :O


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 19:12 [#00606706]
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so what is the alternative?
US doing a Nazi Germany on whomever, whereever, whenever it
pleases..

oohh..you got that Diamond Mine...and I just know you got to
be terrorists because you talk funny..your ass and diamonds
are mine mutha fucka!!!


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 19:13 [#00606708]
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"but its not diamonds, its only rocks!

very clever young man, but not clever enough"


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 19:17 [#00606711]
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nah not even rocks..its' coal..it's carbon that some
dinosaur squeezed in its buttcheeks:P


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-03-20 19:19 [#00606712]
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That would be the smelliest diamond ever


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-20 19:22 [#00606715]
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Well Petrol is all Dinosaur meat and bones too..so get used
to it...


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 19:23 [#00606717]
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lol that was a scene from monty python's jaberwooky (maybe
the spelling is not right)
best scene of the movie, with the old guy and his rocks and
he is fighting against a boy, because he is sure he
discovered his diamond mine :D


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-20 19:46 [#00606727]
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oh dear. don't let Terry Gilliam hear you say that. it's not
Monty Python's Jabberwocky.. its Gilliam'ses.. he
hates it when people connect that automatically with MP..


 

offline Homestar on 2003-03-20 19:50 [#00606730]
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weak


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-20 19:54 [#00606734]
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LOL

im not a fanatic about anything except aphex. that explains
the little mistakes :)
i loved that fucking movie alot btw
and that scene makes me piss in my pants


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-20 19:58 [#00606740]
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oh god I have all kinds of crappy info just like that stored
in my noggin...


 


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