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you seem like a stressed cat indeed :) |
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just a little point.. the handful of scuds were brought from the Russians in 1974...missiles developed and tested by iraqis since have mostly proved to be inaccurate to a point where when fired they spin around in circles and miss targets...they lack the technology as you are well aware from the sanctions |
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is a pretty good perspective. It is by an Iraqi in Baghdad. This is an interesting quote: No one inside Iraq is for war (note I said war not a change of regime), no human being in his right mind will ask you to give him the beating of his life, unless you are a member of fight club that is, and if you do hear Iraqi (in Iraq, not expat) saying “come on bomb us” it is the exasperation and 10 years of sanctions and hardship talking. There is no person inside Iraq (and this is a bold, blinking and underlined inside) who will be jumping up and down asking for the bombs to drop. We are not suicidal you know, not all of us in any case. |
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kaurismäki wont even send a representative to the oscars.. he is cool :) yesterday after taking official stand to the war finland had flags half-way to show the sadness.. i was in the antiwar protest (which didn't even get near the usa embassy - they have security levels up due to protests). there where people wearing those funeral hats with the black veil holding grave candles. |
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yes I am glad for him doing so. I think almodovar should have done the same |
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Yes, I've always thought, people would only abide by "laws" if they were enforced by a more powerful organisation/country than yours. If you are the most powerful why would you honour them? If the US could give the UN a kicking (they probably could, esp. if the UK sided with them...) it does seem silly they should bother to listen to it. |
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actually they didnt listen to UN I am the strongest so I can punch you cos nobody will dare to punch me |
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Offcourse it's illegal. And a question to all of you who are pro war. If the main purpose of this was is maintain world peace, why didn't they start in North Korea where the threat is much bigger? |
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was = war |
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I know they didn't listen to the UN re the war in Iraq, but I mean listen to it at all. Why don't they use illegal weapons, attack anyone they like etc. (cue "They do, they do!" ;) ) "I am the strongest so I can punch you cos nobody will dare to punch me" That's the way it works unfortunately... (I don't know Nac, I've got a pretty tidy left jab and good reactions) |
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I agree, I'd rather they had sorted out Korea and Mugabe first... |
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fuck war |
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But there is no oil in North Korea and Zimbabwe and they are not strategically important. |
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I know, it is sad that that has no doubt influenced which one to sort out first (how much it has influenced it is certainly debateable). However, that doesn't change my opinion that Saddam needed to be displaced. Resources are limited and it'd be foolish to attack all hostile regimes at once. One every couple of years is as good as we'll get. Understandably the US tries to kill two birds with one stone by selecting targets that have other benefits. |
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Come on Ceri. Saddam's supposed likeness to the devil is nothing to do with this war. If it was why were we patting him on the back in the 80s? |
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because we had the ussr to worry about back then.... hence the war in afghanistan in the 80's....... this is a real turningpoint in the sense that the un is bassically done as a meaningful orginazation.... by the way the un was originally created to batlle the ussr....once it dissovled it really had/has no more point to it... why does france have veto power anyways..... |
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anyways the war looks to be going good... reports say that saddam might be toast....if he is dead there won't be a full scale invasion.. |
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Cfern is right- like I said, so many enemies- it'd be foolish to fight them all at once (Germany's mistake in WW2 was to get overconfident and take everyone on...). They just deal with one at a time. Back then it made sense ot use Saddam and it would of been foolish to try to fight him and Russia. |
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Oh right, my bad. So we can sell gas to dictators while a cold war is on? |
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Why did it make sense to use Saddam? |
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Irony of the whole story is that Saddams weapons and knowledge were provided by the US when they bonded against Iran. |
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I am just posting in an existing thread: what about the people dying in the bagdad market today? and how can the pentagon say it was a missil thrown by the iraquis? this is crazy |
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they're (the US) is just saying they didn't "Target" the market, Iraq's propaganda just want to make the US seem like villians, while Iraq soldiers go around killing surrendering Iraqi troops. |
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I don't think it was the Iraqis, but nothing they did would surprise me. Just look at Basra, there's reports today that the army is sending civilians out onto the battlefield as cover for artillery behind. |
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i hope you'll understand the motivations of uncle bush when the war'll be over and that the UK will realize it has been fucked in the butt... |
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Oh my name it is nothin' My age it means less The country I come from Is called the Midwest I's taught and brought up there The laws to abide And the land that I live in Has God on its side. |
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I've learned to hate Russians All through my whole life If another war comes It's them we must fight To hate them and fear them To run and to hide And accept it all bravely With God on my side. |
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This discussion is irrelevant. while i find it encouraging that many around the world see a road to peace, i wonder if they see the same world i see; the same path of history, the same future. i can understand those who support this war, although i think the vast majority of them have fooled themselves into thinking it is for a humanitarian end. it is primarily an imperial act that many substantiate as an act of defense- a defense of the stability and status quo some in this country embrace. they would love more than anything not to worry about anywhere else, without realizing how we affect others regardlessly. i can understand those opposed, for obvious reasons. if they, however, believe that a global police state can be soon avoided, i would disagree. perhaps they live in a bubble, or a country where conflict is rare. the united states has a freightening 'manifest destiny' lingering. if the U.S. military were to 'step down', does anyone really believe that the role of superpower would remain empty? of course not. keep protesting-- you do make a difference. but don't think that any country's leadership if free from corruption. they're all sleeping in the same bed. change will only happen from the ground up, until borders disintegrate. Until then, be happy it is only the U.S. that possess such nastiness, and are willing to police for you. |
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NOTE: sorry-i tried to include the entirety of dylan's 'with god on our side' because- it's a good one. but a bunch of it didn't go through, so you'll have to listen to it yourselves. or not. |
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1441 makes the War legal end of story. All those who are anti-war. Will always be anti-war so whether it be Hilter or some other nut they'd probably just prefer if they carry on killing more instead of logically putting an end to it. |
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I agree with Ceri we need to sort out these other rogue states as well. Its just not on living in a World where the leaders of these countries just pillage their countries and murder their people. |
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i wonder which would be more devastating, a world of militias or a world of law firms. 1441: welcome to the Palendrome |
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I take this as my official war thread. The Pentagon has confirmed that U.S. troops killed seven Iraqi women and children at a checkpoint when their van would not stop as ordered, CBS News Correspondent Bob Fuss reports. Two other civilians were wounded in the incident at a U.S. Army checkpoint on a highway near Najaf in southern Iraq, a military spokesman said. The U.S. Army 3rd Infantry was manning the checkpoint when the van, which was carrying 13 civilians, refused to stop. They fired warning shots, the spokesman said, and the van still didn't stop. So they fired into the engine and then into the vehicle itself. Troops have been much more aggressive in dealing with cars at checkpoints since a suicide bomber in a car killed four Marines near Najaf Saturday. In a statement, U.S. Central Command said, "In light of recent terrorist attacks by the Iraqi regime, the soldiers exercised considerable restraint to avoid the unnecessary loss of life." |
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Well that was bound to happen sooner or later. The main tactic of iraq seems to be disguising it's soldiers as innocent people to get close to the americans and then suddenly attack. It's only a matter of time before the american soldiers start shooting everybody just to be on the safe side. I even find that understandable... if i were a soldier i might act the same :-/ That is war... to kill or to be killed. |
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I find it understandable too but it is sad... and it is sad that I know this will happen many more times. and all thanks to this war |
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america stole its citizens' rights to protest during a time of war.... that make them a rogue state? |
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why should iraqi citizens have to abide by the wishes of american soldiers. if iraqi soldiers invaded pennsylvania and stopped me i probably wouldn't be too cooperative either. |
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yes... i hope bush is also reading all of this. All his fantasies about a 'clean' and 'fast' war must have gone up in smoke by now. |
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Wether you're pro-war or anti-war, whichever way you look upon this conflict, there's no question that the only way to end it now is to purge the Saddam ruling. If not it's like you just poked at the tail of a sleeping dragon with a sword, infuriating it but not slaying it. The damage is done, a gaping festering wound in an arm that can only be mended by amputating it and taking a large healthy part with it. |
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good point, i wouldn't be too happy if a UK soldier told me what to do..... and i live in the UK. |
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"if iraqi soldiers invaded pennsylvania and stopped me i probably wouldn't be too cooperative either." That's a good point. Atleast it shows the iraqis hardly think of the americans as their liberators. |
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hehe, that's exactly the same viewpoint as the biggest leftwing party in the netherlands has ;-) (sucking up to the rightwing party because they want be in the government). "Yes ofcourse we are against the war... but now that it's started anyway, we should finnish it properly." |
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i would probably cooperate as i'd be to scared to do anything else but the thing here was, the driver didnt stop, those people were just driving along and that is sad |
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Helen Clarke [NZ prime minister]: "we can't trade soldiers' lives for a free-trade agreement with America." She may not be pretty, but I'm very impressed how firm she's holding. It seems NZ is under mounting pressure to join in, for economic reasons, and trade relations etc. The sad thing is, Syria and Iran seem to be on an inevitable collision course with the US as well - US has implied few times already that they will not tolerate support for the "regime" - no longer restricting the "regime" to Iraq itself. |
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well ending it now would certainly not resolve anything at all, sure civillians would cease to get killed by the coalition, but saddam will most likely set that straight and then some. Whatever anger is infused into the arab world by this stupid conflict will not die away if the war is ended. Nor will their Anti-US attitude grow bigger if they continue because it's already peaking. So the only logical decision is to continue this disgusting bloody effort til Saddam is gone. |
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sure .. but that in no way should justify the war. and, if it turns ugly (uglier), this is probably the justification they will offer. - if the US stays - people will continue to get killed also!!! catch 22 - in the name of Bush or Saddam? i do think there is more opposition than expected, and that is throwing a spanner in the works. dunno .. sick stuff this war |
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"why should iraqi citizens have to abide by the wishes of american soldiers." - becuase they'll be killed if they don't. it's war - people die.... |
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right its war... the point is: it is an illegal war. the usa started a war just cos they wanted to (economic reasons obviously) (seconded by uk and my poor country of suckers) |
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"legal war" has quite an odd ring to it. |
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