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offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-03-16 19:06 [#00598551]
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Who gets them and to what extremes? I just got discharged
from the ER two steps ahead of getting slapped into a
straight jacket - It was a close call with oblivion but I
managed to stay afloat. They're usually brought on by
stomach molestations, whether naturally occuring through
fever or from alcohol it makes no difference, the cramps and
nausia-induced panic and hallucinations are unbereable. Has
anyone ever lost compete control of their thoughts and felt
like every fiber of their being was being conquered by some
higher malicious force? I'm still reeling from this morning
and I'm praying that when I wake up tomorrow it will all be
gone.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-03-16 19:11 [#00598553]
Points: 12585 Status: Lurker



ah jeez.

I get twitches when i smoke weed and put in a stressfull
anxiety-stricken places.
I cant focus on anything, high or not, especially at work
when we have these mass meetings and I can just tell that
everyone is staring at me when I'm not looking at them.


 

offline xlr from Boston (United States) on 2003-03-16 19:12 [#00598554]
Points: 4904 Status: Regular



One of my best friends gets them quite frequently. She
can't breathe, do anything besides sit perfectly still to
try to make it stop. Pretty frightening for me as well as
her.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-03-16 19:14 [#00598555]
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I dunno if you caught my ''heart attack'' topic a couple
weeks back, but I spent 45 minutes in total agony thinking I
was going to drop dead... is that an anxiety attack? I got
it checked out and apparently I had fluid around my heart,
a shot in the ass and some pills later and I was A OK. It
could have been brought on by anxiety, I've been a psycho
lately.

Insanity lurks in my future, I fear.


 

offline NeoExmnist from United States on 2003-03-16 19:21 [#00598557]
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i remember that.

have you had anything like that since?


 

offline MrGerbik from United States on 2003-03-16 19:22 [#00598559]
Points: 392 Status: Lurker



I have dealt with panic attacks for many years. The first
one I got was quite extreme; took me a good 3 weeks to
recover. Expect to feel "off" for at least a few days, with
blurred vision. You should get a prescription for valium
(20mg dose will nip it) or xanax (1mg dose will nip it) -
those can help tremendously when an attack is coming on.

In the past 2 years, I have learned to keep them at bay
through concentrated diaphragm breathing exercises. You can
usually stop them before the go full on this way... takes
practice though - when you are having an attack, your
diaphragm is practically locked up.

Good luck Cabbog, and just remember, you merely have a tick
in your fight or flight response. Contrary to what your
body/brain is telling you, you are NOT going to die from it.
You will not have a heart attack.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-16 19:33 [#00598563]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



yeah I have panic attacks too. my worst one was a few years
ago. they're more psychological though.

I had a weekend where I didn't know what up or down was,
left or right. I was completely lost. those are heavy
attacks - it takes me mostly three months to slowly return
to some sense of normality.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-03-16 19:34 [#00598565]
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No, I've been fine, I guess the problem was really just a
freak infection of the lining of my heart, could have
happened to any unlucky sap... all better now. Don't know
what caused it or set it off, but everyone was telling me it
was probably an anxiety attack before I got it checked
out... that's what I thought it was. But my chest hurt for a
week after.

Kabboj, you poor dear... I'm here for you. We're all here
for you. Always.


 

offline aron from saskatoon (Canada) on 2003-03-16 19:49 [#00598580]
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i dont get these very, often,,
the most recent ones were about 1 year ago

and last wednsday i had one because i got a bunch of shit
taken away from me that wasnt mine, and i got into a fist
fight with my mom's boy friend, and my mom tried to send me
to jail.
first i got angry and punched stuff and trashed my basement
until my fists were a bloody mess and basically everything
was broken.
then the panic started.
i was crying unconrollobly and shaking to the point where i
had to lie down on the floor because i couldnt keep myself
up
and i lay down there shaking for i dont even know how long.
then i fell asleep, and when i woke up i had to leave the
house because, like i said before, i got kicked out of the
house (just got home last night at 2am)

it doesnt sound that bad, but it was

the time before that it was so bad that i tried to kill
myself and made a bloody mess of ym room and the kitchen
i almost got my ass thrown in a mental hospital that time


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-16 19:52 [#00598583]
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goodness, aron.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-16 19:54 [#00598584]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



I remember I used to wake up in the middle of the night
absolutely freaked out of my mind. happened at least once a
month for quite a long time.

once I woke up and for a few seconds had the idea that my
sight had gone 2-dimensional - everything just was flat.
that scared the living fuck out of me.
I guess that happened because I was just really, really
tired.


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-03-16 20:34 [#00598627]
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"the time before that it was so bad that i tried to kill
myself and made a bloody mess of ym room and the kitchen
i almost got my ass thrown in a mental hospital that time"
I feel you. No one understands what it's like.. Invisible
flames of torment, gnashing of teeth! --Argh! Father in
heaven hear my cry!


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-03-16 20:35 [#00598629]
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' Kabboj, you poor dear... I'm here for you. We're all here

for you. Always. '
Awww... That means so much to me.


 

offline Ganymede from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2003-03-16 20:53 [#00598650]
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Dude, seriously, I'm sorry to hear that you've been going
thru these. Another friend of mine gets these
semi-regularly. Xanax seems to help him...

May you have peace and strength. :)


 

offline Refund from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-03-16 20:59 [#00598664]
Points: 7824 Status: Lurker



I have pretty serious panic attacks sometimes when I'm
alone,.. usually takes me about a day to get over them.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2003-03-16 21:22 [#00598685]
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i've been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder (i think)

i take paxil to combat it. it's worked pretty well so far.


 

offline TokyoJo from London now, not Tokyo anymore on 2003-03-16 22:10 [#00598726]
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I feel for you guys - I used to have some really bad problem
with this stuff a few years ago - all started when a good
friend of mine died and I found her body - that fucked me up
good for a long time. ANyway it all came to a head one
summer that I had to spend in the USA pretty much alone and
a long way away from family and friends - i became way too
introspective and looking back now I think I was on the
verge of paranoid schizophrenia - I was terrified of being
poisoned, drugged etc - every time I got a burger or can or
coke etc I would have to check every inch of it for drugs,
poison etc. I HONESTLY though people were all out to get
me.

I was also really worried about acid flashbacks, and I had a
lot of symtoms similar to the stuff being described above.

The only way to end it all is to GET HELP.

Medicine of the sedative variety helps a bit but wont solve
the problem. I saw doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists,
pyshotherapists yadda yadda...

The guy who helped the most was a cognitive therapist - he
was great. He taught me to condition and desensitise myself
to the stuff I was worrying about by basically asking myself
'SO FUCKING WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS".

SO WHAT IF SOMEBODY POISIONS ME, SO WHAT IF I HAVE AN ACID
FLASHBACK, SO WHAT IF MY HEART STOPS BEATING AND I DROP
DEAD. I CANT BE FUCKED TO CARE AND WORRY ABOUT THIS SHIT ANY
MORE.

Sounds crass but if you ask yourself so what enough times
you can make yourself stop worrying.. Remember nothing that
CAN EVER happen to you is as bad as what ACTUALLY happens to
you when you worry about what MIGHT happen to you. If that
makes sense...

Whenever I felt a twinge coming on, I was told to immediatly
change my surroundings and stimulus - change cd, change tv
channel ,change room or enviroment you are sitting in, call
someone - just do something rather than let the fear build.
Dont smoke cigarettes as this increases you heart rate which
generally makes you feel more panicky.

DOnt know if me writing this will help anybody, but really
you should g


 

offline TokyoJo from London now, not Tokyo anymore on 2003-03-16 22:11 [#00598727]
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go and see some mind doctors, they can do some amazing
stuff..

Take care


 

offline BILE from São Paulo (Brazil) on 2003-03-16 22:13 [#00598730]
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drugs are the answer.

and suicide. lots of suicide.


 

offline jand from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-16 22:37 [#00598745]
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Some good advice given up abaove, cabbog...(well, apart from
the Suicide option...;)..)...

AD is understood a lot better nowadays and there are several
treaments, ranging from breathing exercises & the like to
Sedatives/Tranquillisers (only short term effective tho &
can be very addictive...) to SSRIs (like Paxil etc..)...

Only you can decide what's best for you so make sure you
research your options & talk to your doctor...

Best of luck, my friend...keep us all posted how things
go...


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-17 00:19 [#00598769]
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11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the
language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be
represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph
these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are
patterns everywhere in nature.


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-03-17 10:54 [#00599932]
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I'm good now, thanks. Just a few twinges that are easily
shrugged off.. I should be back to normal by tomorrow. Any
more advice would be greatly appreciated.


 

offline pomme de terre from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-03-17 10:59 [#00599943]
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Professional Therapy.

Pills can only mask any problems.

Feel better man..


 

offline Kill Switch from Belgium on 2003-03-17 12:10 [#00600126]
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I have them quite often and I don't know how to handle them
very well. Everything that means potential hurt scares the
hell out of me. Day in, day out having that cold sweat. I've
seen a lot of people, tried a lot of pills but nothing seems
to help. Fear is very underestimated.



 

offline revpersona from Plainfield (United States) on 2003-03-17 19:48 [#00601089]
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:[ sorry to hear such events Cabbog. I cannot relate in
anyway, but I truly hope the best for you.



 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2003-03-17 19:49 [#00601092]
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ow, I thought you meant the imminent iraq attack.


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-03-17 21:26 [#00601149]
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Thanks. I'm alright now.. No more lashing out or foaming
at the mouth. I think they must have given me a rabies shot
at the ER.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-03-17 23:21 [#00601188]
Points: 5924 Status: Regular



i get attacks as well. sometimes they are like yours, but
they range from pure rage to total despair and mindless
panic. it is more of a psychosis-type of thing than a normal
panic attack.

they gave me diazepam. that shit is ADDICTIVE. nowadays i
use no medication at all.

oh god múm is so good.


 

offline Atop from Texas (United States) on 2003-03-18 02:49 [#00601418]
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tokyo Jo knows..........

I've had them also and I use the Tokyo Jo method, a jedi
trick......

only Jedis get panic attacks, or as i like to call them,
demon attacks.....

Fear is the most powerful emotion we have to deal with,
imo........and when we conquer it, nothing else can get in
our way...........

A t o p


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-03-18 03:09 [#00601441]
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I've had a few; hyperventilated and shit. I used to get
free-floating anxiety and nausea for a while but its passed
now.

My g/f had problems with them but they passed in time.

Anyway, it seems its quite common so don't feel alone with
it. I'm sure you'll be fine in time.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-18 03:15 [#00601445]
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"The guy who helped the most was a cognitive therapist - he

was great. He taught me to condition and desensitise myself

to the stuff I was worrying about by basically asking myself

'SO FUCKING WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS".

SO WHAT IF SOMEBODY POISIONS ME, SO WHAT IF I HAVE AN ACID
FLASHBACK, SO WHAT IF MY HEART STOPS BEATING AND I DROP
DEAD. I CANT BE FUCKED TO CARE AND WORRY ABOUT THIS SHIT ANY

MORE. "

Good advice- I learnt to condition myself that way about 18
months ago and have suffered virtually no insomnia since. I
used to have real trouble sleeping- sometimes I'd get
paranoid that I'd not set my alarm clock and that I'd
oversleep. I'd literally check it about 20 times before
going to sleep. I learnt to not care (I check it once,
that's it) and rationalise.


 

offline grinningcat from london (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-18 03:46 [#00601484]
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i used to get them real bad and cudnt get out of the house
for 2 weeks

my psycologist sorted it


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-03-18 03:51 [#00601494]
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I don't know what happened to me. I never used to be the
most confident guy in the world but I could quite happily
socialise and stuff. Over the past few years I have suffered
from panic attacks and every time I get into any stressful
situation ( social or work ) my heart starts going like the
clappers and i sweat like John leslie on a hot day. I'm
doped up to the eyeballs on beta blockers and
anti-depressants and to tell you the truth, it makes very
little difference. I still get the panic attacks because
everything i do is such an effort. I have lost nearly all of
my friends because of my inability to socialise and I've
split up with my girlfriend over it. I can't help but think
that my years of experimentation has come back to haunt me a
thousandfold.


 

offline AE_King from Australia on 2003-03-18 04:38 [#00601560]
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Bill your condition sounds very similar to mine, and it's
not because of your experimentation (infact it's a very
common thing according to my psychologist). Basically, god
****ed us over :P hopefully we can laugh about it in a few
years


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-03-18 11:06 [#00602271]
Points: 2294 Status: Regular | Followup to neetta: #00601188



Mine is probably closer to psychosis as well. All my
thoughts turn off at the wrong exits and go around in
circles - nauseating. I agree, múm is good for panic
recovery as are fellow Icelanders Sigure Ros. The words
aren't real so there's nothing to try and decipher and
dissect.
Right now everything's slowly settling back into it's proper
place and I should be well again within a few days. I
encourage anyone with additional stories or advice to post..
I never realized I'd find so much unconditional love and
compassion here at the Xltronic message board.
:')


 

offline nocturne from Montreal (Canada) on 2003-03-18 22:44 [#00603139]
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Jesus Dolleater! The first time I had a (genuine) panic
attack, I was in the theater seeing "Contact". I was
tripping about numbers!! about what you just wrote.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-18 22:53 [#00603143]
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See Pi. If your an analytical/obsessive/paranoid neurotic
like me you'll love it untill 5 seconds after it ends when
you start a speculating rant about it being nerd fodder and
that no one could love a movie as much as you did. I still
havent conclusiveley determined how I feel about it. Though
it did rouse many anxieties I had thought were long
forgotten. Its fun to want to kill yourself.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-18 23:00 [#00603147]
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...and that no one could love a movie as much as you
did.^without it having been marketed to an easily
catagorized audience, thus leaving you to feel as though it
was less profound and genius while also degrading your self
esteem more for thinking it was while you were watching it.
sorry, never ranted here before.


 

offline nocturne from Montreal (Canada) on 2003-03-18 23:11 [#00603152]
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I've seen it. mostly, anyway. It didn't leave that great of
an impression. I mean I recognise that it's good, but...I
guess I should watch it again. I bought my friend a copy,
I'll borrow his.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-18 23:15 [#00603157]
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Allright. I'll rent Contact again if you do.


 

offline nocturne from Montreal (Canada) on 2003-03-18 23:18 [#00603160]
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Dude, I own it! That, um "travelling" bit at the end, the
climax of the film, is an intense psychadellic metaphor.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-18 23:20 [#00603162]
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I wasnt as mature when I saw it, Ill have to see it again. I
thought the traveling bit was a trip down a worm hole, what
did you think it meant?


 

offline nocturne from Montreal (Canada) on 2003-03-18 23:28 [#00603171]
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Watch it. She's tripping out! Notice, while she's still
travelling there, how we hear things that she hasn't
(chronolgically)said yet, how her face melds into her face
as a child. On the non-linear time tip.


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-18 23:42 [#00603179]
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The transpostation device she was in could have been bending
the space-time fabric so that both destination are closer
together. I dont know the exact physics of it but it might
explain why her face was melding into her former(or past)
self. Im probably babbling, im stupid.

*gets in converted pirate ship and flies to the virgo
cluster*


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-18 23:54 [#00603183]
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well it would have to be bending it as a hole in a flat
plane would go no where. Oh I wont be sleeping tonight.


 

offline od_step_cloak from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-03-19 01:18 [#00603219]
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Yeah a few weeks back I went a little off and I basically
freaked and got really shit scared (one really weird visual
hallucination)

Only really for a few hours.

Made a few funny journal entries though


 

offline Dolleater from Afrika Bambaataa on 2003-03-19 01:19 [#00603221]
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could I see them? :)


 

offline Duble0Syx from Columbus, OH (United States) on 2003-03-19 01:21 [#00603224]
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I got that way when I spent the night in a jail cell on
friday. I was freaking out pretty bad.


 

offline Kill Switch from Belgium on 2003-03-19 02:06 [#00603244]
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How do you get rid of them? Sometime's, I'm so sick and
tired of being afraid all the time, especially that no
doctor or psy find anything that helped me.


 


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