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I find it strange that my friends who are interested in contemoprary electronic music composers (who also happen to be studying music composition) find Autechre to be too repeatative and therefore uninteresting. In fact I have never heard of Æ getting any props from musicians in acedemic circles. It seems like anything outside of acedemic music is typecast as "popular" and as such is deemed unlistenable by stuck up music "professionals." IMO Autechre's lattest work presents a nice blend of head-nodding and head-scratching music which in affect bridges the gap between academic music and "popular" music (popular in this sense not necessarily meaning pop-music, but rather music made for a wide audience and not a select few listeners who "get it"...althought I would also argue that Autechre fans do comprise a select few). MUSIC ELITISTS UNITE!!!!! |
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"In fact I have never heard of Æ getting any props from musicians in acedemic circles." funny, i'm actually writing a paper about this. specifically i'm writing about how this sort of music is ignored by musicologists/academes. |
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i'm not gonna write a word. i wanna fuck people. i don't want to care about why some jackasses are gonna kill me tomorrow i want to live today |
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last semester i wrote a paper on IDM and cultural theorist Theodor Adorno (read "The culture Industry")...I wrote specifically on Autechre as iconocalsts in music...maybe that's the reason this type of music is ignored...it's too iconocalstic...or maybe it's too young... |
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i think "too young" is it. iconoclasts that stand the test of time make it into the history books no matter how disruptive they were at first. |
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indeed...have you ever read any Adorno? "The culture industry" is uncanny in its likeness to what I've read are Autechre's sentiments toward popular music, and music in general. |
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no i'll have to check it out.. is it an essay or a book? |
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"The culture industry" is an essay, but I think it is also the name of a book which includes the essay as well as a collection of other essays written by Adorno...also check out Horkhiemer (cant remember his first name) and other members of the Frankfurt school of critical theory...(and Walter Benjamin, though I'm not sure if he's a member of the Frankfurt school) |
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my girlfriend is a jazz musician, and shes theoretically very good, and to this day she says that autechre's music is very unevolved and that theoretically they know nothing... but on the other hand, im theoretically good and it amazes me what they do... my friend is a jazz guitarist.. the best ive seen, and he thinks the world of autechre... its the only electronic thing he likes, hes into death metal... my point... meh. |
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hmmm...meh indeed. |
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who can name the man in static's avatar? i can A t o p |
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"musician's" are people who play the acoustic bull shit that is meant for sitting down with your tux on & paying the opera house to listen to bach & mozart pieces... BAH! i fucking hate the whole spirit of the university system where i am at... the professors are too old to understand "electronic" musicians desires or even understand it... that's what is soo great about this whole thing... an electronic musician can set his/her own boundaries and call it music b/c that is what they are intending to do musicologists try to figure out what symphony is the best... bah! that's crap... i hope you all are lost |
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i think Mr. Philip Glass? |
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guess again Quoth...(hint...stochastic) |
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:( sobs self to sleep |
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anyone else hazard a guess??? |
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It's you! |
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Nothing is theoretically develloped compared to Jazz.I tried learning Jazz theory for guitar,and it gave me a headache. |
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Im always surprised by how people dont give ae a chance. i got my friend into aphex, he likes saw and also the bits of drukqs which hes heard, so i told him to tune into the shoutcast station called autechre radio and he was like oh no what is this and turned it off after about 30 seconds. i find that sort of behaviour really dissapointing, cos i know he would get into it if he actually listened! im just trying to decide if hes a lost cause or if i should try again. |
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After the release of Confield, a norwegian music-program on the radio, called "Pop-front" (ironic name, maybe) talked about just how Autechre could build bridges between popular music, and academic art-music. Very interesting, indeed. |
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"my friends (...) find Autechre to be too repeatative and therefore uninteresting." actually, i've tried to get into ae, but also found it too repetative. No matter how complex is a few seconds of sound, but when its goes the same for a coupple of minutes, i just hit the STOP button :). And I dont care if they're "avant-garde" or not. |
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ae are overrated... |
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:P |
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That was my opinion for a long time. I only liked the first to albums. But with getting into music making myself and read on harmonics theory, i started also to grow into Ae and I still am. |
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to=two *needs an edit button* |
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Is the avatar Stockhausen? |
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Zeus asked me to post this on his behalf: I cant believe this crap Im reading. How many of you actually know musicologists, and proffessors of electronic music? Ok, and out of you who do, how many of you have sat around and talked with these people? You are making SWEEPING generalizations on the academic community. Some of my teachers are as academic as they come, and they LOVE Autechre. My one teacher, its his favorite band. We actually had a huge discussion on "pop" vs. "academic" music, and my teacher, the epitomy of academic music, said something to the effect of "there is no such thing as academic music. This is merely a perception." So, basically, my point is, do some research before you brand people a certain way. There seems to be this preconcieved idea that academic musicians are elitist snobs. Yes, some are, but thats like saying, all blacks are criminals, because SOME are. |
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all of autechre's music is great... these labels are dangerous, "academic music" "art music", and such, they dont mean anything and dont even touch autechre imo |
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oh zeus.. |
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I alwys think this intellectual stuff is fucking funny. I am sure ae and the others all sat down and read the theory of electronic music before they started creating music. What is it with people constant efforts to intellectualise everything in the world. Music is an expression of art, it is not there to be theorised over. As the great philosopher Grooverider once said "If it's rolling, it's rolling" |
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Don't shoot the messenger! Hehehehe |
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The avatar is Xenakis? I find ae very encouraging as one of the few who come close to achieving a synthesis between academia and pop/dance (body/mind) and intellectualism and accessibility. The fact that someone like myself basically discovered Xenakis, Ligetti, Stockhausen etc. directly through exposure to Ae I think speaks volumes. |
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re: repetitiveness looping and repetition are aesthetics arising from hiphop/dancemusic. I've always found Ae's tension between repetition and development to be one of the most interesting and brilliant aspects of their work. It's an aspect which MANY try to imitate and 99.99999999% fail to come close. They themselves have said, it's about finding something which develops at the right speed for your mind to follow, not too fast not too slow. Perhaps those who find it too repetitive are simply working with a shorter/faster attention span (and that's not a dis). |
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something strange is happening while i'm progressly going into ae music. initially i liked the first two albums: ambient-ish and often relaxed, but lately i'm dscovering the beauty of "confield", "chiastic slide" and "draft 7.30". i don't like all the tracks, but there are definitely some gems in there. amazing. |
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ae is great. if they studied music at university, warp wouldnt have signed them. but the music would be exactly the same. |
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I AM A MUSIC COMPOSITION MAJOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA :) cheers! just giving my 2 cents zeus :) mmk? |
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what if autechre became music professors, both Sean and Rob, then what would you guys have to say? imagine that, they'd call themselves Professor Autechre fucking crazy shit I'm thinking, could happen |
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Zeus says..... "ae is great. if they studied music at university, warp wouldnt have signed them. but the music would be exactly the same. " wtf. Thats the stupidist thing ive ever read. Richard Devine is a schooled musician, and hes on warp. Hrvatski is a schooled musician as well, and hes on planetmu. It makes no difference, as long as the music is good. Dont be an elitist. Yes, it goes both ways. "we are too street for your academicz!" pfft " |
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static: what do your friends listen to? |
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zeus, you should get an account here.. |
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i love autechre, but i dont really find them that complex, and when you listen hard enough, you do hear the repetition. to me, it's more the sounds that they produce that comes across as obscure rather than the programming involved. |
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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i think that perhaps autechre does not get credit is due to the fact that they choose to not evolve simplicity. i would say that people think that they mish-mash their sounds because they lack the talent and focus to take simple chords or notes or patterns and turn them into something a little more "traditional". i mean, i guess if you were to listen to a decent jazz track, you could hear the complexity in a rhythm pattern or little nuances of bass or horn or whatever. autechre just comes across as sounding unorganized and chaotic at times. |
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i'm not really bothered. most of everyone i play some autechre for, like what they hear. some opinions just don't matter to me. |
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but...what do you mean? ofcourse they're way too overrated! thats a fact! :) |
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methinks you grossly underestimate musicologists... i'm pretty damn sure they'd appreciate more than one way to make music. music hasn't always been composed on a diatonic scale, i doubt today's music scholars are so chuffed with it that they'd say "NO MORE! INNOVATION BAD, CONFORMITY GOOD!" maybe autechre are just pants as far as the world's leading musicogolists are concerned. like zeus said, plenty of music professors are up on electronic music, and they do give it plenty of credit for innovation and complexity. BUT, the top scholars, the ones who write the textbooks and anthologies... they're either still wading through the music and deciding whether or not it's something really special, or they decided already that it ain't. zeus: get an account. |
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most of you make music, so im sure you know how it looks to make music alike autechre's...nothing to it imo... |
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if anyone here was as good as autechre they wouldn't be on here so much.. they'd be out touring the world and recording albums. |
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you are not my friend anymore! and totti is the worst player in the world and real madrid, inter and roma are all gonna fail to qualify ;D |
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