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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 03:59 [#00584183]
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i have been blessed with something to spare and i was thinking of purchasing a drum synth.
i was drooling for elektron machinedrum but it's kinda expensive. also the tr-909 but that is hellaexpensive too.
tell me all you have to say to about drum gadgets. except that i should use real drums; we already have those and i can't play them.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-07 04:05 [#00584205]
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You can get a hardware drum machine that will emulate the most popular drum machine samples. I can't remember what you call them but you can normally get them on ebay for buy it now @ £150.
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fat kaimo
from Finland on 2003-03-07 04:06 [#00584207]
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hm hi neetta. i don't know much about drummachines but i think that the 909 is nothing to drool about... i think that it's basically this one (overused) sound which (at least a reasonable impression of) you would find in many other machines too...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 04:06 [#00584210]
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Hmm, I don't have much experience with h/w, but from what I've heard the classics (808,909 etc) aren't that good VFM- more collectors items- sure the sounds are nice and recognisable, but:
a) Do you want your stuff to sound like everything else? b) Most new drum machines have sounds that emulate them anyway.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 04:07 [#00584213]
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He he- two other people posted the same thing- I think that makes it fact ;)
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 04:07 [#00584216]
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yes thank you both, this is just what i was looking for, something that sounds like the expensive ones but costs less :)
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fat kaimo
from Finland on 2003-03-07 04:13 [#00584231]
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if i were getting a drum machine it would have to have the option to import/record my own sounds... or maybe i just would go with a sampler - it could do other things than just drums.
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 04:14 [#00584234]
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when i had the zoom machine i just used it to make patterns and sequence, then i shaped the sound on my computer..
i have no idea what samplers cost but i bet it is ALOT.
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 05:16 [#00584335]
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so umm, nobody has anything to add except that rolands are over-rated?!
sheesh :)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 05:34 [#00584352]
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Yep, nice Akai samplers cost ££££s :)
Fat Kaimo: You can get some sampling drum machines. Ae use one. Sample quality tends to be a lot lower than on a sampler (I imagine the price is a factor in this) as drums don't matter as much as say a flute/synth sound if their lower quality- it's not so noticable...
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 05:57 [#00584384]
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i thought so.
i think i am going for the korg er-1. it seems versatile and all that and costs wayyyy less than the ones stated in my post 1
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kybernetik
from neo-ume (Sweden) on 2003-03-07 06:00 [#00584385]
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get a software sampler and fill it up with your own samples. cheap (free? hehe) and will sound as good as what you put into it ;)
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 06:06 [#00584395]
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if i wanted a sofware sampler i would have stated 'software' on the topic. thank you.
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dmc
from Australia on 2003-03-07 06:19 [#00584429]
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depends what kinda sounds yr after. I think Jeff Mills uses a Yamaha R8 which can be picked up hella cheap.. but maybe you hate his sound so...
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 06:21 [#00584433]
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actually i like his sounds.. saw him live last summer and he rocked my boat to death or some other phrase that does not exist.
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dmc
from Australia on 2003-03-07 06:37 [#00584462]
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well there you have it then! check out the R8 (but get the mk2)
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 06:43 [#00584474]
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i made a google and it seems that the only r8 mk2 is actually ROLAND. i assume you mean that?
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dmc
from Australia on 2003-03-07 06:47 [#00584479]
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oops.. sorry about that. I'm not exactly compas mentis atm.. :)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 07:17 [#00584514]
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Hee hee, cutting Neetta, cutting...
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 07:19 [#00584518]
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i had that one in storage since i was SURE there'd be someone telling me to get a software thingy :)
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Silesian
from Gliwice (Poland) on 2003-03-07 07:21 [#00584520]
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err...and what can do a hardware drum machine, that a soft one doesn't?...
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 07:24 [#00584526]
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i was also expecting that one. i just happen to like hardware drum machines. software and i don't go so well together. little gadgets are so nice and cute and whatnot. plus i am involved in a project where a hardware machine will come handy.
my computer is crappy too, i can't probably even run decent softies.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 07:25 [#00584528]
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Ha ha ha, the amount of times people told me to get hardware when I requested s/w help :)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 07:26 [#00584530]
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She likes to be able to push the buttons and look at the little LEDs rather than clicky click with a mouse and stare at a monitor ;)
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 07:28 [#00584535]
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hell yeah!
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Silesian
from Gliwice (Poland) on 2003-03-07 07:36 [#00584561]
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"my computer is crappy too, i can't probably even run decent
softies. " don't buy a drum machine then, buy a new comp :) and btw, mine is probably worst of your all :P
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 07:39 [#00584571]
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what do you have against drum machines man?!
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C738
from Outer Space on 2003-03-07 08:02 [#00584624]
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Drum machines...
If you dont mind lofi sounds a casio RZ-1 is cool too. PLUS! its a sampler too. I dont know how much they cost.
Jomox airbase? They're quite expensive tho.
The novation D-station is not as expensive as the 808/909, but it has those sounds, tweakable with knobs.
Plus it has built in distortion.
You could also take a look at a quasimidi rave-o-lution 309. Its a 303, 808 and 909 in a box. 350 euros for the basic version.
The fully expanded does about 450-500 I believe (synthboard and extra outputs and something else I cant remember I think...)
On a side-track... yamaha rm1x, mc303/505 seem to be nice things too.
I dont know about the second hand market in Finland, but you could consider ebay...
For example this one... I bet you'll find one here.
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ScenarioDr
on 2003-03-07 08:14 [#00584641]
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http://proaudiomusic.com/misc/effects/boss/DR-770%20Dr.%20R hythm%20drum%20machine.htm
think this one is supposed to be good! squarepusher uses it so it cant be bad! check out the picture on the inlay of feed me weird things!
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Silesian
from Gliwice (Poland) on 2003-03-07 08:17 [#00584646]
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nossink,ok, nevermind, just don't hurt me!!.. from today i love all of the drum machines, sewing-machines and even printing-machines(to say nothing of ice-cream machines), i swear!..
a man machine from Silesia
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 08:19 [#00584650]
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link!
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C738
from Outer Space on 2003-03-07 08:24 [#00584659]
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I know it isnt a drum machine, but a (small) sampler with built in sequencer (like the korg ES-1 or Akai MPC2000(xl))
But the mpc is quite expensive, but complete
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 08:24 [#00584660]
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sewing machines are ESPECIALLY cool. i could not live without mine. or maybe i should buy a software sewing machine..
others: thank you for help, i will be checking and comparing!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 08:29 [#00584670]
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Have you seen the software controlled embroidering machines? It's like doing big pixel art :D
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-03-07 08:51 [#00584723]
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yes i have :D we had one in my old school. i actually have one cross-stich artwork that was computer-modelled
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-07 08:54 [#00584730]
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*Ceri grunts and rubs designer stubble to re-assert masculinity after talking about sewing.*
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avart
from nomo' on 2003-03-07 09:10 [#00584768]
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hardware drummachines are unbelivable unflexible... I mean, what do you do when you?re bored with the three kicks?!?!? A cheap sampler is the way to go, an akai s2000 costs about 300 euro here in sweden, and a very old casio Fz-1 can be bought for half of that... (hiphopper req used one for entire his first album!)
btw, don?t be afraid of software - that?s the best! *hides under his desk*
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kybernetik
from neo-ume (Sweden) on 2003-03-07 09:14 [#00584778]
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so, if you don't want software and no hardware sampler either (i guess?) i would go with a nice analog drummachine. 606, 808, maybe airbase (lacks knobs though, and some sounds are samples)?
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Kill Switch
from Belgium on 2003-03-07 11:01 [#00584913]
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I have a same kind of dillema. I love the possibility's of all the music software but I miss the knob twiddling. With the new workstations with a pc onboard I'm very hopefull. But that's the future (too expensive for the moment)
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coffee
on 2003-03-07 11:03 [#00584916]
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too little too late. stubble, yeah right.
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2003-03-07 11:05 [#00584918]
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i personally like the alesis HR16 and HR16b.
also the boss dr550.
you can get a boss dr202 for pretty cheap if you want 808 and 909 sounds with filter effects and what not.
all three of those for under 300 dollars US (the alesis for 50-150 US).
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-03-07 11:09 [#00584924]
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get the alesis dm pro that is the best hardware drum sampler on the market.. it has over 800 sounds.. if you want to program beats you'll also need a sequencer...
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coffee
on 2003-03-07 11:09 [#00584925]
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Youre all missing the most obvious choices. The F3k and the Ju-M0n are the most economical machines in terms of price and features.
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Polynomial-C
from Netherlands, The on 2003-03-07 14:03 [#00585146]
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If any of you are interested in a Roland R-8....... I own one and I want to get rid of it. It's lying in my closet for years and it's just collecting dust. Saw some on Ebay for around $250...
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rarndaraki
from from from from (United States) on 2003-03-07 14:49 [#00585215]
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Netta, I have a Korg Er-1 drum machine, which i think is a great machine, that i would be willing to sell to you for cheap!
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-03-08 07:19 [#00585825]
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ive got the korg es-1
sampling version :)
has limitations but you can thrash it real good :]
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2003-03-08 07:39 [#00585859]
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buy the mpc 2000. its fairly expensive, but its akai so you know it will out live you and all your children. you can sample the drum sounds, so it has unlimited drums, also comes with a cd full of drums,etc. its got nice big 4x4 array of buttons. easy to use. really good. akai website. or get the S5000 sampler. ive got one, and these things rock. costs about £2000, but cheaper 2nd hand. you can do almost ANYTHING on these. i sequence mine from an old cubase vst 24 on a crappy 400mhz celeron, so you dont need a snazzzy computer.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-08 07:55 [#00585899]
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a cheap way is to buy very old drum machines, i use a Roland CR8000 and a Roland R5, then put them through various effect pedals which can also be picked up really cheap.
very low cost but mighty fine sounds.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2003-03-08 08:18 [#00585931]
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Look for a Roland R8, R70 or Boss Dr550/660 second hand.
But I would like to suggest the Clavia Nord Modular. I've been using this for 3 years now and there's no turning back. If you dive in and learn this, the reward is massive. There's no way you can go back to anything with a hard-wired signal path after something like this.
Clavia is releasing a new Modular this summer, called the G2. You can either just buy the engine, which is operated through the computer, or the keyboard version .
www.clavia.se
-P
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hobbes
from age on 2003-03-08 08:21 [#00585939]
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i love the yamaha qy series ...
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