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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 11:25 [#00571841]
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I have been partaking in this activity since i was little. Within the last couple of years i have become more and more sucessful at it over time.
Does anyone else here partake in this activity and does it seem like a lot of IDM artist (ie RDJ, Goon) and listeneners partake in this more often than those who listen to other genres? (ie. Rap, Death Metal)
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-02-26 11:27 [#00571843]
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eh
what exactly is lucid dreaming?
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 11:38 [#00571857]
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The ability to become aware that your dreaming inside of a dream.
Example: a friend of yours comes up to you in a dream and says/does something out of the ordinary, and you say to yourself "this can't be real"
At a point like that you can realize you are dreaming and take control of the course of your dream instead of just floating along.
You can do some amazing things in a lucid dream!!
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-02-26 11:40 [#00571860]
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I'm hopefully about to have one
*goes to sleep
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 11:45 [#00571864]
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Here are some links for those that are interested:
one
two
buckle my shoe
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-02-26 11:50 [#00571871]
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:)
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-02-26 12:13 [#00571891]
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oooooo i know that!!!
yes thats fucking awesome
had it a couple of times, its decreasing now tho
the one i strongly remember was this time i was in this war and everyone was fighting and i tought hell im gonna die... but then i realised it couldnt be true so i had to be dreaming
and i became immortal!
theres another one too, from my childhood (i was about 5 yrs old)
do not laugh at me now, its a kind of a wacky story...
anyway there were these yellow creatures who looked like fuzzy yellow spheres, who would come up to my bed, drag me to the top of the house and throw me outta the window. The dream started everytime with a carrousel of video tapes spinning around and it slowly came to an end, and some videos had yellow dots on it. every time the it stopped at a yellow dotted tape, the creatures would come. I had these very frequently, and after a while whenever the tapes entered the show i could controll my dreams
....maybe im just disturbed
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Ganymede
from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2003-02-26 12:23 [#00571905]
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I've had them a couple of times, but never at will, unfortunately.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 12:23 [#00571906]
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I like that theory! Just don't let it decrease. Excercise your brain!
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-02-26 12:26 [#00571910]
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i can't do it, i rreally can't, its not like i trry and fail, its just when i'm drreaming eitherr i don't know it orr i don't think about trrying to contrrol it. i wish i could.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-02-26 12:29 [#00571916]
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uuhm... theory?
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 12:38 [#00571927]
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odd.. i didn't mean to use that word. I don't know why i typed it. I am too sleepy.
Anus- Do reality checks alot. The second site i listed really goes into that. Being able to do it is kinda like mind over matter. There are variations like WILDS (wake induced lucid dreams) where you set an alarm to wake you up during your sleep do your drink water before bed so you will wake up. Or just things that disrupt your sleeping pattern. I usually wake up every 2 hours and can average 3-4 lucid dreams per night.
There are also: Thirst Induced Lucid Dreams Pain Induced lucid Dreams (never tried) and a whole list of others.
If you browse that second sites msg board (no i am not advertising) they go real in depth with various tricks (ie dream recall and whatnot) that might help you.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-02-26 12:45 [#00571946]
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*memo to self after reading your pages: start logging dreams & train unconsious mind & put on saw 2 while sleeping to induce nightmares
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Monumrnt
from To (Canada) on 2003-02-26 14:50 [#00572083]
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It requires intelligence.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 15:05 [#00572097]
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Actually most people experience it earlier in life. So you could technically have the intellect of a child and pull it off. My First Lucid dream was when i was five.
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uzim
on 2003-02-26 15:07 [#00572099]
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i have the power to escape from any too embarrassing situation in my dreams!! just wishing i could escape is enough to stop the dream and *poof!* no embarrassing situation anymore! gone!
(i wish i could do that in reality...)
sometimes i do realise i'm dreaming too, but that doesn't make me control the dream... or maybe if i really wanted, i never really tried to do so.
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diablo
on 2003-02-26 15:25 [#00572134]
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Apparently if you can remember to look at your hands in a dream, you become aware... but I never remember...
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-02-26 15:40 [#00572169]
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for me the dreams become reality seriously i had a lot when i was a kid, lucid flying dreams are great =)
for a long time i was really sure i can fly in the night
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-02-26 15:45 [#00572177]
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Damn I have been trying for a long time to lucid dream, the best I have done is realized that Im having a dream and then I wake up...I never have any control though
Cool sites though VirginPusher Thanks
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-02-26 15:46 [#00572182]
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read David Toop's "Ocean of Sound" and you'll know what richard is doing in his lucid dreaming. it answers a lot of questions.
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diablo
on 2003-02-26 15:47 [#00572183]
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I'd say i've "tasted" awareness in a dream a few times, but only very briefly. It's a very strange feeling.
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-02-26 15:48 [#00572185]
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what happen when you kill yourself in a lucid dream ? will you ever wake up ? nobody knows ...
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 15:48 [#00572186]
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no problem
Map, is that readily available anywhere (ie library or barnes and noble) that book would get my attention!
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-26 15:49 [#00572187]
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sometimes, when stuck in thought and fantasy before sleep, unable to rest the mind and my "talking andy" my thought continues as i begin to fal asleep, so that i am not dreaming in deep sleep, but only just as i've fallen asleep.
i sometimes do this lying on my back, a position i don't sleep well in, and i become aware of my body as i'm dreaming and then there is this simultaneous experience of both my body in bed and my body in the realm of fantasy. this is acompanied by a feeling of a "force" or "energy" between my two polarized bodies, a feeling as good as any chemically induced high i've experienced. i can hold this experience for only moments, but i can float around as if i'm just a cloud of intelligence/sensation.
this has been happening on rare occasions for years and i'd like to take it further and master it eventually. always very sobering experience, gives me a "reborn" or fresh vibrant feel to life.
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-02-26 15:52 [#00572193]
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here
aether talk, ambient sound and imaginary worlds.
Interesting things about Sun Ra, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, Lee Perry, Kate Bush , Aphex Twin, Ryuichi Sakamoto and Brian Wilson , interviews as well ...
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-26 15:52 [#00572194]
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might release excess endogenous dmt into your system? it's probable.
i've died in my dreams before and i awoke eventually... after the "death" has happened i being to wake, in sweat and heavy breathing.
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-02-26 16:01 [#00572203]
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jupitah yeahhh !! lucid flying dreams too =D i have been a cloud or a spirit floating too you re right its like a force, like shivers down the spine, and then you fly, and control it ! i remember i was able to fly around my neighbourhood
yes virginpusher, very good site ! i also had the sleep paralysis mentioned very often...thats one of the worst thing i ever experienced.
you made me wanna do my own dream diary, starting tomorrow :)
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:08 [#00572217]
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tis a good thing :D
i keep starting a dream journal and i stop recording in it, mainly because i never get a full night of sleep and am too exhausted in the morn to get up a precious 10 minutes earlier. apparently you remember more dreams when you record them regularly and i imagine this could help with lucidity as well.
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-02-26 16:13 [#00572222]
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have a premonition weed wont help very much tho :/
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:19 [#00572225]
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We should all get into LDing and do an experiment such as
this
Or see if there really is a connection between LD and IDM. I always wondered that.
Sleep Paralysis is crazy. I never liked it and it made me panic kinda. But what gets me is the false awakenings. I had like 9 in a row once that's my record.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:19 [#00572226]
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if you abuse it, no. imo, most cannabis smokers abusers. it's just a matter of feeling your way into healthy body and healthy psyche. when i smoked hella dope there were very few dreams remembered.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:20 [#00572230]
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how about music in general? i don't think that idm is an autonomous special phenomenon.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:27 [#00572237]
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My first lucid dream was when i was a child as well, of course i didn't know there was a term called "lucid dreaming" or that there was a term for it, or that it even exists.
8-10 years pass and im doing it somewhat often, but only when i can sleep in.
and well, with work, that never happens anymore it seems like.
i cannot do it when being plastered drunk when stoned / go to bed and take 5HTP supplimentary I can do it now and then
sometimes when going to bed stoned you can wake up with a cloudy head, so that doesn't always work
i do sleep with my wireless headphones on with saw 4/7nights outa the week, well I try to at least.
i dont get sleep paralysis too often anymore (i do when trying to lucid, like for the whole week if i can sleep in and stuff) but i did have sleep paralysis in a dream, and it was fucked up.
bout a month ago or so, woke up (in my dream) couldn't move, saw my friends, waited,, waitied, blah blah finalyl woke up, told them about it, then realized i was dreaming it all, and then suddenly woke up.
i think there is a connection between Idm and Ld just b/c most ppl get more in touch with themselves emotionally after getting into IDM and experimenting with it.
i think this helps a lot when trying to LD
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:29 [#00572241]
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Well i think all music could essentially be good for it but i have heard many compairisons from LD to IDM.
I like jazz and classical. Those would be others i would try.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:31 [#00572242]
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Also us just sitting here chatting about it helps> i don't remember where i read that but i do know that the more you learn and try to learn the more common it becomes as opposed to not studying it at all.
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:32 [#00572243]
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I just read that in one of your links
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:33 [#00572245]
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The good thing is you're already half way there. Just reading about lucidity can make you lucid when you sleep. You're priming your brain to take in the information that this "can" happen and "will" be exciting. To increase your chances you need to read as much as you can about the subject
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:34 [#00572246]
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LOL that explains it!
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2003-02-26 16:36 [#00572248]
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in all of my dreams, i am falling
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:36 [#00572249]
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Oh and as for the looking at hands trick it works if you constantly look at your hands before you goto sleep.
Just keep looking at them over and over while thinking about lucid dreaming as your goal for the evening.
Eventually in your dream you will look at your hands and BAM there you go.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:38 [#00572256]
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yeah, that's very importans. imagining a possibility--and uttering the words as well (this is what sorcery and incantation is about)--opens up the ability for something to manifest.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:39 [#00572258]
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yeah anything really can happen!
Have any of you tried going through the mirror? So so wierd!
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:43 [#00572262]
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So do you have complete control over your dreams...Does your control improve with time? Im not 100% sure how it works
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-02-26 16:45 [#00572264]
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you ve been through these crossroads ? that seems very cool, like a basis to be lucid, but the guide characters look ridiculous, i hope my crossroad will be cooler ;)
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:47 [#00572266]
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There are four stages of Lucidity
1: Low. Many people experience this. You realize that you are dreaming during a dream but never really grasp the concept. Clarity is lacking.
2: Medium. You can walk around and interact with your enviroments but only for a short time.
3:high. Best Clarity. You have control 100% and are limited by nothing but your own imagination
4:Absolute. The minute you close your eyes a lucid dream begins. It ends when you desire. It also has 100% claritry.
I don't know how to do #4 yet i will eventually get it!
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:48 [#00572267]
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haha yeah they do look pretty funny don't they...knowing my luck I'll get some really stupid looking one like shake from Aqua Teen
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:48 [#00572268]
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That's just so everymind can picture the same image. You could picture my avatar if you wanted to but if enough people expect the same thing they are more likely to have a shared dream.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:48 [#00572269]
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in a book he wrote jim dekorne speaks of his astral projection were he uses lucid dreaming to travel around the physical domain... claims to have found a book he lost in his neighborhood as a child this way, and talks of one experience meeting another lucid dreamer in astral projection. i know that all sounds a little hokus pokus but i've had enough unexplainable events occur to consider such possibilities.
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-02-26 16:50 [#00572271]
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So virginpusher, you would say you were a 3?
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-02-26 16:50 [#00572272]
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LOL @ shake!
I love adult swim.
Also if anyone gets lucky tonight (not like that perverts) and LD's remember to use verbal commands to strenghen it.
Try "Clairity x1000"
It works for me. Things become more clear and vibrant.
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