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ok, so i want to compose a track where everything is set up in the golden ratio pattern... the placement of notes, the number of measures, the way the tracsk run overtop one another. does anyone have any advice on this, i am going to attempt to start tonight, and i was wondering if anyone had words of encouragement or any thoughts to add to the approach. |
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1:1.1618 ? |
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thank the lord jesus christ our loving savior, the lamb of Gggoooddd.. you changed that god-awful avatar |
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The golden ratio is an irrational # but the fibonacci numbers which are closely related to it are integers - you can find them more useful for composition. |
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Basically if you want to do this, (pardon my description but I am a visual type person and describing this with just text is not my thing..), The golden mean (also known as the divine proportion or the fibonacci series) is AB/CB=CB/AC If you look at a traditional landscape painting, artists try and gauge the golden mean by setting the placement of the horizon line.... now try and think of this musically, with movements. One movement, a little bit more then half the song length... just use symetrical shapes proportional to one another... (example, first ostinato, second ostinato (raise a fifth), third ostinato (lower a tenth).. then at the point a little less then half of the songs length.. go through it agian symetrically for your second movement (backwards (I guess forwards could work too.. but you would lose the symmetry ).. but shorten this movement so that it is roughly half of your first movement... same theme and shapes... and inside this second chunk of movement slit it up one last time.. halfway between this last movement.. a short mini movement summarizing the whole piece. So visually it would look like this: ))))) - ))) - ) 1 2 3 now bear in mind... ALL the notes and the hole arrangement must be as symetrically close as possible. A good example of what I am trying to say is in Bartok's piece... Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta My composition teacher loves to talk about Bartok and his use of symmetry in his arrangements, the fibonacci series is really quite amazing, it can be applied to THOUSANDS of things, economics, population growth, art, music..... I found a PDF file () that is more technical then my description and that will maybe make my example clearer People here seem to know nothing more then the fact that the fibonacci series is just a series of numbers (which is formed by starting with 0 and 1 and then adding the latest two numbers to get the next one), I havent really |
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and dont really seen anyone go further then posting a link to some site found on a google search, so I tried my best to give people an example of what you can do with it musically, Math is AWESOME! :) |
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eeeh mickey do my math homework. |
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check my link mickey - I send a link to a good fibonacci site. math is not awesome - math is a dianoia. ( Plato said so ) |
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Plato said a lot of wonderful and intellegent things, definatly But I think math is still AWESOME hehe |
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Jeebus QUISTE! (looks at all his typos) oh dear me *goes to bed* |
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oops.. broken link PDF File |
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mickey... well, im only going up to 13, since i still want it to have a resolve to it's musical properties, but im messing arounf with it right now... sounds good, not true fibonacci until it gets imported into cubase, but itll do for now. the thing is i want it to have 3 elements of disonance: the loopish song elements, the long thing that drifts off and never comes back, and an element of static unchanging tone. and theo, as far as my avatar goes (ahem) i don't see what it is to anyone but myself. i had it for a long time, and i felt i needed a change. i'm not looking to get into some sort of religion debate, and i'm sure you aren't either... so let's keep that out of it. |
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Why not use the dimensions of the eternal monolith? 1:4:9 |
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I hope you actually enjoy the track when you complete it. Sure would be a waste of time and energy if you didn't. |
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it sounds good already... yeah, im anxious to see how it comes out |
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Whah??????????????????? |
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Does anyone here know of anymore pieces that have the fibonacci structure, or arrangements that are based off this structure, somebody besides the composer Bartok? BOC claims to have used mathmatical equations (although I really doubt it, and I think its just a ploy to make them sound more interesting) encorperated into their music. I have not heard the series used in any way in their tracks though. eh? |
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as has been mentioned, the fobinacci sequence is nature's whole number aproximation of the golden ratio. as iterations of the fibonacci approach infinity, the ratio of two consequtive numbers in the sequence approach the golden mean. love your fibo! |
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