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offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-04 09:42 [#00540588]
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From warprecords.com

A new licensing Bill is included in the Government’s
Programme Of Legislation for the coming session, part of the
bill relates to the issue of Public Entertainment Licences.


Hamish Birchall (the advisor to the Musicians Union on
public entertainment licensing reform) has written an
analysis of the proposed legislation which can be viewed
here: www.musiclovers.ukart.com/pels.htm

Birchall agrees that the broad aims of the Licensing Bill
are welcome but states that, "the proposed measures are
draconian to say the least", and that "this would represent
the biggest increase in licensing control of live music for
over 100 years".


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-04 09:43 [#00540590]
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Culture Minister Kim Howells says the swingeing increase in
regulation is necessary because 'one musician with modern
amplification can make more noise than three without'.

Birchall outlines some of the restrictions the proposal
would inflict on live music performance:

· 110,000 on-licensed premises in England and Wales would
lose their automatic right to allow one or two musicians to
work. A form of this limited exemption from licensing
control dates back to at least 1899.

· Thousands of private events, hitherto exempt, become
licensable if 'for consideration and with a view to profit'.


· The same applies to any private performance raising money
for charity.

· A new licensing criterion is introduced: the provision of
'entertainment facilities'. This could mean professional
rehearsal studios, broadcasting studios etc will be illegal
unless first licensed.
· Musicians could be guilty of a criminal offence if they
don't check first that premises hold the appropriate
authorisation for their performance.

· Likewise someone organising a karaoke night in a pub.

· Buskers similarly potential criminals - unless they
perform under a licensing authorisation.

· Church bell ringing could be licensable.

· But... broadcast entertainment on satellite or
terrestrial TV, or radio, is to be exempt from licensing
under this Bill.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 09:46 [#00540601]
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Yeah, this is the one where you now have to pay £1000 a
year if you want to play live isn't it? Fuckin madness,
there's an online petition somewhere


 

offline Spikee Dragon from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:06 [#00540645]
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Oh for fucks sake!....... :(


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-04 10:09 [#00540649]
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Yes go to warpnews for a link to the petition. Jar, I just
emailed the link to you and Pogo.

Worst thing is- what constitutes "live music"? A scratch
crew or someone HDJing could easily be interpreted as "Live"
:(

I live above a pub and I have no problem with them having
music!


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:23 [#00540665]
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My old band couldn't even afford a new fucking microphone!
They're determined to kill everything which they can't slap
some tax on


 

offline pOgO from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-02-04 10:25 [#00540668]
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done

We need more live music in swansea so that Clutch can become
techno once more


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-02-04 10:26 [#00540669]
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wasnt it so that in england you need to pay tax for womans
sanitary stuff too?


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:27 [#00540671]
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you DO enjoy posting stuff which nobody except me will
understand don't you :P


 

offline pOgO from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-02-04 10:31 [#00540676]
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I just though you may appreciate a little "in joke"

I won't bother taking you into consideration next time as
obviously disapprove >=op

fuckwit


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:32 [#00540677]
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charming

gafookyursulf


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-02-04 10:33 [#00540680]
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i think i could piss you off right now by saying you are
cute.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-05 02:22 [#00541435]
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Yep that's right. Some MP said they were a "luxury" and
hence taxable. When someone asked him what would they do
without them he said, "use rags like the old days" Nice to
see a politician who is in touch, eh?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 02:27 [#00541441]
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this is MAJORLY fucked up!!!!!!!!!!



 

offline martinhm from York (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 02:55 [#00541487]
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Kim Howells knows best.

Suggestion: since Draft 7.30 is a pretty crappy name for an
album, how about ae rename it to "cold, mechanical
conceptual bullshit".


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-02-05 03:03 [#00541497]
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im ok with that :)
perhaps this could make british musicians tour some more
over europe...


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 03:06 [#00541503]
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and maybe it could give people like me, who don't have a
recording contract and a substantial amount of money to go
abroad a really big problem!!


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 03:13 [#00541509]
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This really fucked up. Where will it actually have a line
drawn. Technically Morris Dancing will be outlawed unless a
field has this licence. No bad thing I admit but then you
consider what constitutes an audience? Would having friends
round for dinner and then playing the piano for a bit make
them an audience. In which case you'd be breaking the law.
My piano teacher would have to pay this tax to teach in his
house. That's stupid! I get so fucking pissed off with this
government it's not funny. They spend so much on stupid
fucking foreign policies that they have nothing to give to
this country. I fon'y mind helping other countries but not
to the ridiculous level that it's happening. Fucking stupid
cunts in government need to fucking wake up.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 03:14 [#00541510]
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i whole heartedly agree with you giginger

it's fucked up

there's no other word for it


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 03:20 [#00541519]
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Solidarity :)
I had a bit of a rant there but music means a lot to me.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-05 04:10 [#00541600]
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Yes, the fact that it's a tax means it's a money generating
skam- not actually a real deterant to stop pubs doing it
etc. I doubt any of the residents "suffering" from noise
pollution will see any of that money as compensation or in
"sound proofing grants" from the government.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 04:13 [#00541602]
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next it'll evolve to the burning of the cd's!!!!!!
they's ban all music altogether unless it's fucking
government propaganda

giginger, music means a hell of a lot to me too, i regard it
as my religion


 

offline Spikee Dragon from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 04:21 [#00541608]
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You should see the trouble involved with releasing music
alone. It's all official extortion of intellectual artwork.
We can't have another 60's because people would tune into
the real facts and come out of their dream state. This
happened in the 90's too. The E culture was only another
60's waiting to happen in my opinion, the government
inflicted sound level controlled on vinyl, closed clubs,
made sure E was seen as pure evil by everyone etc to ensure
people are not over stimulated (thus being harder to
control). This proposal which you have no control over is
just another example of forcing regulations to control
people. We see the same proposals becoming law without our
consent all the time. It's this governments (and the other
two main competitors) way unfortunately.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 04:25 [#00541609]
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i see your point spikee

that is really fucked up

bloody conspiracies


 


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