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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-04 09:42 [#00540588]
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From warprecords.com
A new licensing Bill is included in the Government’s Programme Of Legislation for the coming session, part of the bill relates to the issue of Public Entertainment Licences.
Hamish Birchall (the advisor to the Musicians Union on public entertainment licensing reform) has written an analysis of the proposed legislation which can be viewed here: www.musiclovers.ukart.com/pels.htm
Birchall agrees that the broad aims of the Licensing Bill are welcome but states that, "the proposed measures are draconian to say the least", and that "this would represent the biggest increase in licensing control of live music for over 100 years".
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-04 09:43 [#00540590]
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Culture Minister Kim Howells says the swingeing increase in regulation is necessary because 'one musician with modern amplification can make more noise than three without'.
Birchall outlines some of the restrictions the proposal would inflict on live music performance:
· 110,000 on-licensed premises in England and Wales would lose their automatic right to allow one or two musicians to work. A form of this limited exemption from licensing control dates back to at least 1899.
· Thousands of private events, hitherto exempt, become licensable if 'for consideration and with a view to profit'.
· The same applies to any private performance raising money for charity.
· A new licensing criterion is introduced: the provision of 'entertainment facilities'. This could mean professional rehearsal studios, broadcasting studios etc will be illegal unless first licensed.
· Musicians could be guilty of a criminal offence if they don't check first that premises hold the appropriate authorisation for their performance.
· Likewise someone organising a karaoke night in a pub.
· Buskers similarly potential criminals - unless they perform under a licensing authorisation.
· Church bell ringing could be licensable.
· But... broadcast entertainment on satellite or terrestrial TV, or radio, is to be exempt from licensing under this Bill.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 09:46 [#00540601]
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Yeah, this is the one where you now have to pay £1000 a year if you want to play live isn't it? Fuckin madness, there's an online petition somewhere
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:06 [#00540645]
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Oh for fucks sake!....... :(
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-04 10:09 [#00540649]
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Yes go to warpnews for a link to the petition. Jar, I just emailed the link to you and Pogo.
Worst thing is- what constitutes "live music"? A scratch crew or someone HDJing could easily be interpreted as "Live" :(
I live above a pub and I have no problem with them having music!
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:23 [#00540665]
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My old band couldn't even afford a new fucking microphone! They're determined to kill everything which they can't slap some tax on
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-02-04 10:25 [#00540668]
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done
We need more live music in swansea so that Clutch can become techno once more
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-02-04 10:26 [#00540669]
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wasnt it so that in england you need to pay tax for womans sanitary stuff too?
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:27 [#00540671]
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you DO enjoy posting stuff which nobody except me will understand don't you :P
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-02-04 10:31 [#00540676]
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I just though you may appreciate a little "in joke"
I won't bother taking you into consideration next time as obviously disapprove >=op
fuckwit
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-04 10:32 [#00540677]
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charming
gafookyursulf
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-02-04 10:33 [#00540680]
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i think i could piss you off right now by saying you are cute.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-05 02:22 [#00541435]
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Yep that's right. Some MP said they were a "luxury" and hence taxable. When someone asked him what would they do without them he said, "use rags like the old days" Nice to see a politician who is in touch, eh?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 02:27 [#00541441]
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this is MAJORLY fucked up!!!!!!!!!!
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martinhm
from York (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 02:55 [#00541487]
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Kim Howells knows best.
Suggestion: since Draft 7.30 is a pretty crappy name for an album, how about ae rename it to "cold, mechanical conceptual bullshit".
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-02-05 03:03 [#00541497]
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im ok with that :) perhaps this could make british musicians tour some more over europe...
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 03:06 [#00541503]
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and maybe it could give people like me, who don't have a recording contract and a substantial amount of money to go abroad a really big problem!!
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 03:13 [#00541509]
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This really fucked up. Where will it actually have a line drawn. Technically Morris Dancing will be outlawed unless a field has this licence. No bad thing I admit but then you consider what constitutes an audience? Would having friends round for dinner and then playing the piano for a bit make them an audience. In which case you'd be breaking the law. My piano teacher would have to pay this tax to teach in his house. That's stupid! I get so fucking pissed off with this government it's not funny. They spend so much on stupid fucking foreign policies that they have nothing to give to this country. I fon'y mind helping other countries but not to the ridiculous level that it's happening. Fucking stupid cunts in government need to fucking wake up.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 03:14 [#00541510]
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i whole heartedly agree with you giginger
it's fucked up
there's no other word for it
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 03:20 [#00541519]
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Solidarity :) I had a bit of a rant there but music means a lot to me.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-02-05 04:10 [#00541600]
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Yes, the fact that it's a tax means it's a money generating skam- not actually a real deterant to stop pubs doing it etc. I doubt any of the residents "suffering" from noise pollution will see any of that money as compensation or in "sound proofing grants" from the government.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 04:13 [#00541602]
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next it'll evolve to the burning of the cd's!!!!!! they's ban all music altogether unless it's fucking government propaganda
giginger, music means a hell of a lot to me too, i regard it as my religion
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-05 04:21 [#00541608]
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You should see the trouble involved with releasing music alone. It's all official extortion of intellectual artwork. We can't have another 60's because people would tune into the real facts and come out of their dream state. This happened in the 90's too. The E culture was only another 60's waiting to happen in my opinion, the government inflicted sound level controlled on vinyl, closed clubs, made sure E was seen as pure evil by everyone etc to ensure people are not over stimulated (thus being harder to control). This proposal which you have no control over is just another example of forcing regulations to control people. We see the same proposals becoming law without our consent all the time. It's this governments (and the other two main competitors) way unfortunately.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-05 04:25 [#00541609]
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i see your point spikee
that is really fucked up
bloody conspiracies
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