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i was wondering how much small IDM artists much earn (we all know aphex is a millionaire!). It must be enough for them to not have to have a day job. I am talking about people like Global Goon, Vsnares, DMX crew.. but then i found some sales figures on amazon.com: Winter in the Belly of a snake has already sold 12000 copies, and thats just from amazon alone and in less than a week!! if we say he earns £1 from each CD at £13.99, he has already got £12000!! thats fucking mental!! couple that with the fact he must get more than £1, + sales from other shops, + given a few months, these guys must all be swimming in it!!!! actually... at second glance.. the 'sales rank' on amazon cant possibly mean copies sold... can it?? |
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Good on him, he's earn it! |
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*earned |
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12000 one week on amazon?? how reliable is this? |
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yes in retrospect it is a fucking high number it cant be rite. |
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there's no way someone like venetian snares gets a dollar to every disc sold. then again that depends on the label he's on. a platnum-selling artist on a label like Epic, for example, will get as much as 14 points on their next release. that means they get 14% of what comes back to the record label after the money goes through the store it's sold in, the distribution company, the higher-ups at the label, the manufaturers, publishers, and anyone who helped out on the album that earns a percentage from the album sales. that can include proucers, the executive producer, guest appearences etc. I would assume an IDM artist is pretty low on the music industry food-chain. save for those who have done a lot of remix work, help produce major artist's work, or own their own labels (and those who were tapped to work w/ huge artists like u2, madonna during the late-90's electronica wave- that includes aphex twin, moby especially, underworld etc) other than that though, I would venture that there are very few millionare idm artists, and that you could probably count the ones that are on one hand. |
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I forgot to mention many artists get paid a nice 4-5 figure amout to have their music back a commercial or movie, or movie soundtrack |
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I've talked with VS on several occasions. He said he can live on record sales alone, and coupled with performances etc, he does fine. He has no day job. Also, the Flashbulb, makes his living from live performances. I also remember GG saying that he only writes music for a living. I dont remember the details though. If my memory serves me right, he makes music for commericals. (And trust me, that pays WELL). |
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well he does say he lives off what he makes from music.. |
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here, from aaron funk interview Can you live of your music or do you have a "proper" job? Yeah I live of my music. Why does everyone ask me that? Is my music that absurd that nobody could possibly be buying it? ;) (doesn't help much with figures hehe) |
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people can live comfortably off of 6-figures |
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But I bet they dont live fat ! Seriously. If would be a skilled IDM Artist, Id make commercial TRANCE or POP music....or try to "Break" into that "market" |
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Ive already come to terms with the fact that Iill never be able to live off of IDM. If I do, it would rock... but its not likely. And yeah, I want to live comfortablle. Thats why Im at school so i can havve a real job... ill release my cds in my own time, for the love of music... not mobey |
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living off of your own music must be a nice but uncertain feeling |
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oh god NO!! release for the love of music.. but NEVER for Moby!!! ;) |
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hahaha oops |
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for some reason, that made me think of a little Moby running around with his hands in the air, kind of hunched over, speaking with a demon voice, saying "MAKE ME MUSIC" |
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believe me, if you already had a significant impact on a genre through a lengthy, well-received discography, you would take the money offered and forget integrity for the time-being; especially if u were pusing 40 like he is. |
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who? |
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WITBOAS has shipped 900 copies to the states so far. 1300 shipped in Europe. We've pressed 2500. So 12000 is an unrealistic sort of "Warp Records" type sales figure. |
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hope things are running well at the µ camp . some quality releases lat year,hellfish,nautilus etc |
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The Amazon sales rank shows exactly that - how the product ranks alongside other products according to sales, like a sales chart. It's not how much has been sold. I doubt any IDM act sells 12000 records a week! :D There's a track from an upcoming Mu release on , by a guy called edIT or something. See the Iglootrax section. It's not bad (rather DSP OTT!) |
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Yeah, it's currently 12000 in the Amazon sales chart, quite a difference!! Drukqs got to the top 10 in amazon.de or 12 or something. |
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those figures aren't reliable at all - there aren't any albums that sel 12 thousand in a week on amzon - don't even reckon kylie and that sell that much - it on;y takes 20,000 sales or so to get to number one! |
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there isw every chance v-snares gets a dollar ever album sold or a little more - the fact is he probably only sell max 5,000 cd's worldwide |
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And furthermore... When did 12,000 pounds become a lot of money? That's like $26,000 Cdn which ain't that much to live on. |
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yep but also you've got to remember there are a lot of young un's on this site so they probably don't know the cost of living .. |
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Gak! Makes me want to buy a second copy, or just send the guy some money, or actually I guess a better idea is to buy some of the back catalog. I really support the idea of donation pages for musicians... we can harness the collective power of an artist's fanbase, the people who really care, and become aggregate for them. |
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just buy the music - musicians aren't charity cases + the records has only been out a week! go to the label website more - see if they are putting on shows in your area - go to them - don't download all thier stuff from soulseek and not buy the cd! tell your friends about them and if you're a dj play their records - simple as that - just supprt music you like and visit the labels website to find out who they are distributed by - if you can't get it in your local hmv/smiths or whatever you should order the cd like i did when i ws a kind growing up in the far reaches of the country |
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all of a sudden i dont want to be an IDM artist anymore!!! if it means living on bread n butter :-( lol he must get at least 1 dollar per album!!! surely!! i thought he would have got likve 4 or 5 per record.... where does all the other money go!! buy the record after downloading!! thats what i did to support VSnares. Also my friends dont understand why i pay for music when i download it free first. I try to explain. But to no avail |
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just buy the music - musicians aren't charity cases + the records has only been out a week! Eh!? I got my copy ages ago. And if they're only pressing 2500 copies... well that sucks ass. Now I'm starting to understand why he releases so much material. |
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You think musicians can afford butter? :: laughs til he cries :: |
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being on a smaller label makes it possible to make 1 dollar or more per release sold. there are basically no middle men. all the production is done in house and the only big expenses are manufacturing and promotion. this is why alot of labels can offer a 50% of the profits to their artists which is a pretty standard deal these days. just to give you some perspective, kid606 who sells alot of records of both his own as well as on his label lives in a house with a few room mates. in that kind of situation someone in california can live off of thier music because they are not putting out as much for bills. if an artist is smart with their releases and smart with their money, they can live off of the money they make from records/performing etc. i have a day job and like my day job. only when my music makes as much as my day job does will i live off of my music. and thats a ways off from here. |
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