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Spookyluke
from United States on 2003-01-28 12:46 [#00531721]
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I don't have any records on vinyl. I'm a CD only sort of guy--this is only because there's nowhere I can buy records around here in Ohio. Unless I want 40 Licks or Eminem's newest record. So I'm considering ordering some from Warp (also a first, is it worth it?). I hate ordering online. The shipping and handling is a turn off. My question is vinyl worth it? How satisfied will I be with the sound and service? These are my biggest questions. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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naaic
from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-01-28 12:54 [#00531724]
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go to bent crayon in cleveland....lots of vinyl there.
or just visit bentcrayon.com
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Cheffe1979
from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-28 12:55 [#00531726]
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this is up to you, it's a personal thing. it's the 'big' thing, the artwork is larger and it's 'special' in many ways, you can feel a bit elitist and it's a way to express your worship for music i think, cause they simply are harder to find. in terms of sound there is hardly anything that beats a cd but vinyl sound more soft if you like that. man, i really am a smart arse;)
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-01-28 12:56 [#00531727]
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I have only one album on both vinyl and cd... and i must admit it does sound *a little bit* better on vinyl. (mind you, this is not an electronic album, but made with real instruments... i don't know how the difference in soundquality will be with albums made entirely on a computer...). The sound seems somehow fuller and warmer. A bit like the band is standing in my room, and you can actually hear the different snares on the guitar being plucked etc. I was extremely sceptical about this first... only bought the vinyl for the artwork and beautiful sleeve, but i can honestly hear a difference.
But even so, i still think cd's are much better :-p
-more convenient, easier to handle -when listening to the album on vinyl i have to get up 4 times (it's on 2 discs, so altogether four sides). Which disrupts my listening-experience.
-and the biggest turn-off for me is that the vinyl will damage (wear and tear) from playing it. Every time you listen to it, a little bit more hiss and static are added. Some people don't mind it, i do. The single most important reason why i prefer cd's is that when i buy an album today, i can still listen to it 20 years from now and it'll sound exactly the same :-)
Hope that helps.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2003-01-28 13:00 [#00531734]
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vinyl has a lovely warm sound to it. its the equivalent of using tube amps. you get a nice warm full spectrum sound. no quantization at all, unlike cds. easy to change tracks, just move tonearm. this can be a pain sometimes, because isnt automated like cd players. but is fine unless you are very tired+cant be arsed to move.you can slow it down or speed it up easily on any deck. modern records are very skip resistant if scratched ie dropped. you can try out your dj skills with a bit of skratching. warp records are very good for delivery. i live in uk but they are very prompt. never had any problems with them.
try vinyl and see what you think of it... you can always use as a wicked (but very dangerous frisbee if you really dont like it) :)
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-28 13:03 [#00531736]
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If vinyl sounds so much better than CD why don't artists just master the CD by playing a vinyl press though a desk?
These days I only buy vinyl for singles, all of the albums I buy are CD.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2003-01-28 13:09 [#00531741]
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recording vinyl to cd wont give cd the vinyl quality. the cd takes samples, one every 44100 times a second. but vinyl takes a continuous wave, so there is no loss in sound. it is like saying if i tape a cd will it be as good? of course not. vinyl is the best quality. but it gets dusty and wears out, so requires care.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-28 13:12 [#00531743]
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huh? But the sample frequency on the CD is normally the same frequency as the music was originally produced in. Or maybe I am wrong.
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Cheffe1979
from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-28 13:19 [#00531755]
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in terms of frequency range a cd beats vinyl by far. the vinyl version of confield lacks some very high frequencies that simply were not possible to be played on a vinyl player.
but i understand people liking it, it has a long tradition and quality is not everything
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Spookyluke
from United States on 2003-01-28 13:22 [#00531758]
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Exactly! The wav forms need to be readjusted thousands of times a second--that's why vinyl has the "warmer" sound--it doesn't have that. I'm very intrigued by vinyl. Some of the warpmart singles are relatively cheap--4 pounds=6.57 USD, so I can afford to spend some on a few 12"s
I think I'll get LP5, since that's 9 pounds as probably the only record just to test the waters of vinyl a bit.
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-28 13:24 [#00531760]
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A CD could sample the waveform 44.1 Billion times a second and some people would still swear that vinyl is better quality.
Neither one is better, they are just different.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-28 13:28 [#00531765]
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Scientifically CD is better. In trems of listening pleasure I would agree it is a matter of taste. For example more ambient stuff I prefer on vinyl. For drill and bass nothing beats CD.
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aquagak
from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-01-28 13:29 [#00531766]
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mp3 players are cool because they have no moving parts, all the music is information generated
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-28 13:29 [#00531767]
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Thing is- if you hear CD and vinyl of a track (especially one with "real instruments") playing in synch on a really good hi-fi setup, you can hear so much more in the vinyl version- stereo range seems wider, frequency range *seems* to be much more- high end in particular...
That said, CDs are more portable, you can listen to them in a discman and CD "dub plates" are a damn site cheaper for DJing :)
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2003-01-28 13:32 [#00531770]
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i suppose it depends on your use. vinyl makes one hell of a frisbee! me and my mates tried this once with a very very old scratched 12". we threw it from up high, it went for miles then hit concrete and shattered. did i mention it actually cut through a 1/4" thick twig easily, like it wasnt even there. vinyl is one dangerous toy
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-28 13:40 [#00531785]
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I still think this is highly subjective.
I've had only one chance to hear the same album being played on vinyl and CD with high-end gear. A friend of my father's had a copy of the Mobile Fidelity pressing of Steely Dan's "Aja" and a gold CD.
There wasn't a clear winner to my ears. The CD sounded better all around and seemed to have more "presense," but the record had more "feeling" in the low end.
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-28 14:03 [#00531802]
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vinyls great if you have decks and want to mix - if you love the covers and all that - also the feel - cd doesn't have the chance to give you those pleasures - vinyls good as well because alot of great releases are vinyl only - also there is alot of rare old stuff you can't get any more .
also as vinyl is analogue it has a wider and warme rrange of frequencies in it so it sounds lovely and warm .
the problem is it scratches but i find i scratch and destroy more cd's than recrds -
i prefer them cos i'd miss on alot o good tracks if i didn't have records and cos they are good to dj with and you treasure them more -
cd's seem a bit too throway for something as important as great music
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Lust Incarnate
from the edge of the deep green sea (United States) on 2003-01-28 17:00 [#00532121]
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I have lots of Beatles on vinyl (my dad gave me all of his Beatles) and the sound is great. I remember when our record player was set up in the basement (when I was young) I would always go down there and listen to The White Album. Revolution Number Nine is amazing on vinyl (Spookyluke is a sucker for that!)
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