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just saw this last night. FUCK ME! the biggest thing was the whole FEAR thing with the media ..."africanised bees, AFRICANised bees, AFRICAN......." My mother lived in Phoenix, AZ for 7 years and never knew her neighbours... .. the only thing they ever said to her is "when you becoming a citizen?" cos she had no flag in her garden THAT AIN´T NORMAL FOLKS.. ..... WAKE UP!! |
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Good film then? I've been considering getting it for a while. Worth owning on DVD or is a one off watching enough? |
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one off is enough i reckon although it is chock full of little snppets and facts and worth buyimg for sharing with everyone you know.... Did i hear that it was edited in some American states? the FEAR! |
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the part from the southpark guys is so funny. He has alot of good points in this movie. |
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seen it twice in the cinema. All my mates love the film. Once with my English class at school here in Germany. |
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But whats left? Has the films merits being discussed in the states? Are people waking up? Will it all just continue? Where is the end? |
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yeah it was a nice flick, i saw it like a week ago, i got it on divx just today :) whenever i feel that im an idiot all i have to do is to see this movie hehe there are some weirdos out there |
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all the points made were not exactly unkown to americans... the film just made em very clear. most americans choose willful ignorance, so a film like this that gets played at the small independant theaters doesn't turn the nation around. america continues. probably until we get smacked in the face. the fear thing is huge. fear and denial. |
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only thing I came away from that film thinking was: overated the perfect movie to make middle class americans comfortable in their skin. |
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what? fear doesn't make any one comfortable, but you're probably anti-everything. so even fear doesn't mean a fucking thing to ya. A t o p |
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what exactly does "anti-everything" mean? sounds like empty bullshit words to me. BforC was simply a movie for white middle americans to go, haha, the world is a funny place in other places, silly kids with guns, hahaha, how odd! overated, just like Donnie Darko :0 |
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i've never seen the documentary, but i live just a few blocks from Columbine Highschool. actually, where we're at, it's a very white, religious community. one of my roommates made the point that there are no porn shops here in Littleton, a Denver suburb, where Columbine is. then again, i hear that the film's focus is not exclusively on Columbine. as of recent, the police here have released all the files pertaining to the shooting and all else that happened on that day. |
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hehehehe, you're a funny place......... Whatever you think is apparently unique to you cause BFC was about us being manipulated by the powers that be. thanks for the avatar attack, very cute, indie rock boy! A t o p |
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BFC was about us being manipulated by the powers that be. us in this case simply does not = middle class white people --------------- It's the upper class columbine schools, it's the crazy farmers who holed up Tim McVey. You leave asking questions about other people and not yourself. I guess he can't appeal to every demographic, but he could have touched on the white, middle class business man/women. Just a stupid movie that indie movie yahoos are supposed to say is the best shit since "Election." ------------------ btw: I expected Marylin Manson to be much more articulate and pointed than he was, he seemed sedated, oh well. I do, however, want one of them shooting club Female Swimsuit calendar or whatever the hell that was, THAT was nice :p |
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I saw it over winter break. I'm a big fan of Michael Moore's work, and I highly recommend his earlier documentary, Roger & Me about the layoffs at General Motors in Flint, Michigan. |
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the movie was great, I can see people not liking it because of moore's opinions on things but the movie is important, you cant say its not good, its well made and the point comes across clearly and loudly. this movie has been out for like 3 months(still in theaters), dvd wont be out for a long time. |
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Welp.. I finally saw his movie. I liked it! There were about 9 BFC threads out there, but I bumped this one because it had the least arguing in it... Jesus guys.. |
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you mean... this movie shouldn't be hotly debated? are you some kind of censor or just a left wing RADICAL, man???? ;) |
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Well now that I think about it.. i did get into 3 heated discussion with 3 people at work today when I told them I saw it... Some guy (who hadn't seen it of course) was going on about how he read something that said that the film was a bunch of malarkie.. I didn't care though, it seems like MM merely presented the facts and let the viewer draw their own conclusions.. The KMART scene was great! |
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i know! all the scenes were great IMO.. anyway, it's just the right wing striking back with these "it's a lie!!!!!" rumors |
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Some NRA guy hacked his website a couple weeks back. |
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sure tits, it's called a movie. movies have editors to cut film and place it where it looks best. This movie is not a documentary, if you think it is, you don't know anything about movies. That scene with Heston @ the NRA meeting? Yeah, do some reaserch about that cuts in that, it's pretty doctored, basically fake. Again, it's a movie, not real. It's funny, cuz I hate guns too. |
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the scene with heston at the nra meeting is like 30 seconds long.. and my eyes and ears tell me where the edits are... don't documentaries have editors too? no amount of research is going to prove to me that charlton heston is not a prick. |
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ok right and all documentaries are all one take, unedited! national geographic goes out and films random places and uses the footage whether something happened or not! lol.. oh man, don't get me started.. |
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or dick clarke, or is someone going to tell me that was all CGI?? ahahahahah |
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it's not a documentary m8, take it as a typical untrue film, and it's still boring "Perhaps the most gripping scene in the movie is one where Moore simply turns up at a bank, North Country Bank & Trust in Traverse City, Michigan, opens a bank account and gets a gun for his trouble. As he walks away, Moore chortles to the camera: "Here's my first question: do you think it's a little dangerous handing out guns at a bank?" It would be if true. But in fact the bank in question only gives you a gun if you open long-term CDs, and then you have to go to a gun store to get the gun after a background check. The scene, according to Lyons, was staged." ----------- |
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yea i've read the propaganda m8, as i said.. the right wing strikes back! surprising that anyone that watches a michael moore film wouldn't expect or recognize the retaliation... in this form it's a very weak campaign to portray this as a "movie" as you put it.. i feel bad for you and cabbog |
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the right wing? I've lived in the most left places the world has to offer. Marin County, CA, and here, Eugene Oregon. Right? the right is wrong, but so is Moore. |
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you can read whatever loaded language filled literature you want just don't come at me with it.. i've read more than enough to know this anti-moore campaign is extremely flimsy. so he's a comedian. DUH. the facts are still on his side and the documentary stands up. |
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"For example, Moore splices together two separate speeches by NRA President Charlton Heston to create the false impression that viewers are seeing a single speech given at the 1999 NRA Annual Meetings in Denver." |
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yes i've read the propoganda, so have a lot of us.. i hope you're verifying all THEIR claims as well, you know |
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if it was a comedy, I wouldn't care so much. People think it's a documentary, and it isn't. Don't take anything from this movie but laughs, and you have watched it properly, otherwise, you're a sucker like everyone else who gave rave reviews to a critical movie they didn't understand. |
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i thought HESTON was really brave to meet MM ...... i mean without a contract, etc......sure he's a wascally wabbit......but still that took a lot of nerve IMO. i'm not sure how willing i'd invite a man with a camera and crew into my home spur of the mo' |
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it can't be a comedy AND true? are you sure you're familiar with michael moore's work? roger and me, tv nation, the awful truth, stupid white men.... |
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it's a slippery slope, and I know what you mean, it's easy to claim facts, especially on some webpage. I just don't this film to go down in history as a documentary when it seems to defy the Academy's own definition of a documentary. |
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wraught with typos my reply is, christ! |
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course a comedy can be true, but it can't be a documentary if it contains the inaccurcies in film making this movie contained. as I said, take it as a comedy, more entertainment for the masses, then sure, enjoy it with popcorn. But just cuz some tounge in cheek white guy claims to have solved our nations problems in a funny way doesn't mean it is the end all solution that everyone made it out to be. |
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just be sure if you're going to be shooting holes in an argument citing one source (all other anti-moore/BFC articles seem to be based on the big one that was written a few weeks back), independently verify all your claims before you say the film is bogus. because believe me, moore didn't spend 5 or so years on the film for it to be "fake" or merely "entertainment" and it makes me laugh when people say otherwise.. he's extremely professional, whether you agree with him or not and whether or not you want his film to succeed (and don't doubt for a minute that conservatives want people NOT to see this film). |
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I just don't see it being a documentary. Obviously I'm not a journo, and can't examine every article I read. I don't believe in conspiracy theroies or anything like that. I'm anti-sensationalism, and I just think that film was "too good to be true" and what I have seen supports that. See the film, by all means, at least it gets people talking. I'll go home now, sorry for making a fuss. |
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Blantantecho, you so BLANTANTLY are full of shit. No offence mate or anything ;) |
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did anybody see "the awful truth" of michael moore? its coming on tv here and i wonder if it's worth watching. |
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yes. I've seen it on the BBC. it's funny and very Michael Moore. watch it. :) |
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ok thanks, it's tommorow on ned3 if ya want to see it again :) |
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I think I might. :) |
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I just wonder about criticisms that start off my calling Michael Moore a "Fat Rogue". I love this film, and most of what I saw I had already known from other sources. I don't believe that it gives any conclusions or connections, but lays out as many options as he can see. I can't imagine he'd risk the creditablility of the whole film based on two simple facts, (the whole editing debate is beyond me), but I'm willing to look at any more links you have to offer Echo. One or two sentences are good for making a point, but I think there needs to be more prove their point. Link me up to the more detailed sites that discaliam his theories when you have time. Thanks. |
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yea i saw all of season 1 on dvd... great show! i dunno how many seasons there were, either 2 or 3. season 1 has a dvd (two discs), the others i dunno. the editing and "rehearsal" debates are beyond me too dude.. i mean, what filmmaker DOESN'T use pre-production and post-production to present his point? this is true in movies AND documentaries, from the silliest to the most academic. it should be obvious to anyone who watches a michael moore film it's very one sided, so why bitch about it? if you don't agree with him that's another matter, but he's just presenting all the compelling FACTS and examples to show you that ______ is wrong (globalism, rampant gun ownership, son of a bush, etc.). if you want to endorse bush, guns, nike, etc. then why are you even watching? it's one thing to go in without an opinion, or to leave convinced or unconvinced, but to see it just so you can say it's all fake? wtf? get out of here! |
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