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you are right but ocean's 12 goddamnit! -and unfortunately wes anderson, spike jonze, and the coens appeal to less people than one would hope (too many times i've heard people talk about how some of these directors' best work is "weird" or "boring" |
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''First Sleep'' has got to be one of the best things I've ever heard, ever. |
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bought it on dvd last week. mindbogglingly beautiful. i hope i'll never get tired of it. p.s: i dont think i ever want to see tarovsky's version. wow. soundtrack |
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well, thats true of the first two, although i know some people who like mostly mainstream movies and really enjoyed fargo, the big lebowski and o brother where art thou. but i think its always going to be that the best directors aren't fully recognized. the thing i like about what soderbergh is doing is that, if he makes oceans twelve, it'll be a hit, and then he can make something else like solaris, and maybe some people will see his name attached to it and go see it who wouldn't normally do so. thats why these guys need to make commercial movies once in awhile. then again, nobody saw solaris, and the majority of the people who did either loved it or hated it. the ones who hated it were probably thinking it was a normal sci fi movie, and the marketing for it would have led them to believe that. chalk it up to dumb hollywood execs and their marketing know how. |
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do you not want to see tarkovsky's version for any particular reason? i can totally understand how many many people find tarkovsky as boring as watching paint dry... but i'd be sad to hear that someone rejected his art without giving it a chance... |
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i'm guessing that was directed at me.. well, no i dont really have a valid reason. i'm just in love with this 'remake' and i'm guessing anything could ruin it. now that i think about it, it makes no sense anymore. i probably will see the original. |
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well, just so you know... it requires a lot of patience... tarkovsky's style is very slow-moving... but very very beautiful in my opinion... his film photography is very musical... ambient.... gorgeous... to be honest... the two films are very different... may as well be seperate entities altogether... |
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is the book worth tracking down? |
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hey, theres no Russian version of Solaris, its based on a book "solaris" writen by polish sci-fi writer called Stanislaw lem. guy is very popular, he's books are awesome, but after watching solaris i said "whoah! what have they done with that great book !!' the film is crappy, director focused himself on this stupid husband-wife problem, where the book is focusing on other issues. so if you wanna track something like this search for books of Stanislaw Lem , they arte probably translated to english somewhere. oh, and some guy from Tresor rec. made an album called "Trurl & Clapaucius", these are the names of two scientist's from Lem books. preety nice album as i remember |
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Solaris is a great movie, very understated, and IMHO very moving. The soundtrack by Cliff Martinez is superb too (as on Traffic). Solaris is nothing like Star Trek, ie it's a sober, almost believable setting, not overdone scifi. The fact some of it's set in space is really neither here nor there as the story and questions it brings up takes centre stage. I haven't seen the Kartovsky original, but I'm perfectly happy with the Soderbergh version. Traffic rocks too. |
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Just don't check it out expecting an Aliens style movie. |
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there is indeed a russian version, so did you think everyone referring to it was simply mad? or was that a statement of your opinion, such as 'as far as i'm concerned, there is no russian version'? well, anyway, does anyone have the criterion edition dvd of the russian version? how is the picture quality? i've been watching it on vhs and am very disappointed with the quality. i've heard the extra features are great. price is steep $35, but if the picture quality is there it's well worth it, i think. |
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only 'russian' was supposed to be bold, my apologies. |
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bump you hoes |
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Sorry, I know this is a bit old, I just watched Solaris and really, really bloody enjoyed it. To me it's a blend of 2001 and the original Solaris, which is kind of logical, in a way. And the music is peachy, I have ordered the soundtrack in a moment of wanton avarice. NICE. |
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The soundtrack is wonderful, I still pop it in from time to time. Like I said up there, First Sleep is one of my top 317 tracks ever. I loved this movie, the architecture of the ''sets'' is permanently burned into my mind. And the movie had great use of color. Gorgeousity. |
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i thought the movie blew... straight up... |
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I got the soundtrack with in days of seeing the movie. I love it so much. Its probably my favorite film score ever... and since buying it over a year and a half ago, I still listen to it constantly. Its just... so beautiful and perfect. |
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excelent film, I was surprised i liked it so much considering the mixed reviews it was getting... i didn't expect a hollywood film to be so not like a hollywood film. Acting was spot on from Clooney and Natascha. The soundtrack is one of the best, if you listen to the directors comentary on the dvd they were going to use 'Venus In Furs' in the docking sequence! Another good, underrated sci-fi film made about a year before this is Gattaca. it seems any sci-fi movie made these days without lots of action in it is unfairly dismissed. |
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..and Gattaca has a soundtrack composed by Michael Nyman. and it's pretty poor. and I really like Nyman's work, generally. |
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Gattaca got panned by a lot of critics all too easily in the States. it is a vastly underrated/under appreciated film, just like the Soderbergh version of Solaris. |
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Monoid - yes, this is kind of remake of russian sci-fi 'Solaris', based on a novel by Stanislav Lem. And it is one of Andrey Tarkovsky movies.. He is kind of cult figure, but his Solaris movie is rather crappy, it seems to me. I didn't like the way people are portrayed in his movie - the main hero, Chris, looks like a beer-sucker, with big belly, flaccid body and dirty face. guys like that don't pass for spacemen... Anyway, Solaris by Tarkovsky is better than Hollywood crap with Clooney. |
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Have you actually seen the Soderbergh version or are you writing it off due to Clooney being cast? It's hardly a Hollywood blockbuster... |
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"Solaris by Tarkovsky is better than Hollywood crap with Clooney." I would hardy describe solaris as a 'hollywood' movie, as for Clooney, you can't fault his acting, i didn't think he was a good actor untill I seen him in Solaris. The scene when he first meets his wife on the ship and he looks away thinking he was imagining her then looked straight at her was brilliant. |
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you both are right, while i was aggressive in that post... sorry. i admit that i haven't seen that new solaris with clooney... and i won't. not that i think he's bad at acting or the director is bad (who am i to say that?). Sometimes i feel aggressive to mass acts like that Solaris movie, when the whole Kiev was filled with citylight ads, and people behaved like it's absolutely needed to see this movie, while as usual, they never heard of the book by Lem and/or Tarkovsky movie.. |
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but look on the upside... the new solaris can spark peoples attention to the old one. They might have not ever heard of the original until the new one came out. I have yet to see the original, as I havnt seen it around yet, but I would like to see it. But anyways, I hear the new one is a different interpretation of the story kinda... so why not check it out? (if not for the beautiful beautiful music!) |
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the new solaris can spark peoples attention to the old one. - true... |
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Yeah, grab the Martinez score - it's a perfect fit for that movie. |
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*SPOILER* (as they say) I've been playing the music a bit too much and now I feel like that bit at the end of the film, when Kelvin returns to earth/thinks he's returned to earth/a manifestation of Kelvin returns to earth and he feels all dislocated. I think that film will haunt me forever. Ambient Cinema, ooooh. |
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haha ! |
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"Ambient Cinema, ooooh." YES! :D |
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I don't know why I bumped into this but I must say that after seeing the original film, clooney's solaris is awful. |
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perhaps you are a homosexual? |
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I haven't seen this film yet. I really enjoyed stalker, that film stuck with me for some time, will rent this soon. I hope. |
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im not too sure myself |
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I quite enjoyed the remake of Solaris. Quite slow paced, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. I also did an artissssst project on that film and designed posters + dvd promotion for it. Pimp. |
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And one of the original sketches. |
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Solaris (Lem book, Tarkovsky film) are both good. Andrei Rublov is better. |
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I liked the Clooney Solaris, it's easy on the eyes and ears and so different from Tarkovsky's that it was definitely a worthwhile project. But the original is now probably my second favorite movie after 2001. |
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*Rublev I don't think the original Solaris has aged nearly as well as 2001, even ignoring the space-car scene. Solaris relies much more on human interaction so I guess it doesn't have to. I didn't like the original enough to watch a remake, but since it's different, I'll give it a go |
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the tarkovsky film was definitely good but the soderberg one is still one of my favorite movies ever, along with donnie darko. |
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Man, now it's your time for Zerkalo (The Mirror), Andriej Rublov (Andrei Rublev, whateva), Stalker and maybe Nostalghia. Deffinately check out Zerkalo. All of the above are better that Solaris imho. |
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Actually Zerkalo is my all time favorite. |
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