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this isn't the best place to pose this question as there is only one known black person (Archrival, who doesn't even come here anymore), but i'll ask anyway: why do some people consider black on black crime as something worse than black on non-black crime? the closest i've heard to what can be considered an explanation is that the level of violence among african americans is so high already that it's especially tragic when a black man kills another black man. it's a statistical fact that african americans are are persecuted and discriminated against by the police, the government, the education system, employers, etc., but do you think the life of a black man is somehow more precious than the life of a man of another race? i guess that's where i fail to see the value of stressing "black on black crime" because i see all races as equal, despite knowing of their discrimination and dwindling numbers (whether they're being slaughtered in the streets or locked up in penetentaries). your thoughts. |
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I know this white supremacist guy... whenever there's a story about a black gang shooting up another black gang, he likes to smile and say "the negro problem is solving itself". He's got a point. Black on black violence does the work of white racists so they don't have to. But in general, one person's life is worth as much as any other person's life, unless they annoy me. |
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yea, agreed.. and it's sad that some blacks actually believe that a black life is worth more than a white life, but then again it's not exactly like white people have clean hands when it comes to racist behavior either. i don't think solving the problem of black on black crime is what's necessary. i think ending violence itself is the best approach. |
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persecuted minority should stick together to be tough--internal cannibalism not good. |
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first i'd like to THANK YOU for an interesting and thoughtful question! second.....i always thought that the majority of people thought just the opposite. that BLACK on WHITE crime is worse than BLACK on BLACK. i have a interest on crime tv series...real crimes....and it seems to me that for the most part it's considered worse when a Black person kills a White person. whites killing whites and blacks killing blacks are more common place. i agree all races are equal.....unfortunately there is a prevailing prejudice that still exists....esp in the US....and it would be naive to not admit that it prevails how the police/judges/wardens....etc treat blacks.....as opposed to how they treat whites. the white man gets the benefit of the doubt.....the black man doesnt =/ |
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i'm talking about minorities, especially african-americans, not the majority of people. that's why i said this probably isn't the best place to pose this question. but i see what you mean. the white majority, though they're not explicit about it, is enraged when blacks murder or rape whites because of implicit white supremacy. i hate it. it's no worse if a white person does it, but the reaction is amplified when a black man committed the crime. they've been portrayed as demons by the media for centuries (beginning with newspapers in the 1800s). that's why blacks almost always get harsher sentances than whites in trials. |
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ahhh yes....i see your point. and i'd have to agree. thinking about a recent case.....where a black man was beaten to death in chicago but a mob of black children of all agaes......ranging from 7-18 i believe. the community was outraged at the horror of the crime, as well as what will eventually happen to those children. a few exceptions of the white outrage tho...or at least it seems to be maybe because of the media attention...when a white man kills a black man for racist reasons....remember that black man that was dragged to death by 3 white men....that produces outrage in both the white and black communities. the sentencing and KILLING of blacks has always been proportionally worse than white criminals. statistics don't lie. |
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so it's true--bush really IS the most popular president ever...oh god no. no no no! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO those cursèd statistics |
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I witnessed Marlowe's post. -Clic (11:14 - Friday, November 01, 2002) |
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dork.......you know what i meant..... *clobbers you with mah club* |
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I read up about Jam Master Jay or whoever he is, and it pissed me off that he seemed like a peaceful enough guy, none of that gang shit that's so prevalent with rappers... if you're gonna kill ANYONE, why'd it have to be him? Paint the walls with Justin Timberlake's brains, please, don't waste your bullets on Run DMC. |
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but you ignored my 1st post :( |
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where did u hear that??? btw crime is bad colours are beautifull theres nothing more to think about |
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i could be wrong, but how i see it, is black on black crime is looked at as worse, because the blacks got enough shit to deal with. when they are killing each other, its just adding to the hardships. its like theres no unity. you got the racist motherfuckers giving em enough shit, a black person has a hard life as it is. Then they kill each other, and its like, they arnt even sticking together. thats how i see it... could be wrong |
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yea i think that's about it |
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so to sum up, persecuted minority should stick together to be tough--internal cannibalism not good. |
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but don't you think the "black on black" element of crime is a bit over-stressed? a lot of people really DO believe it'd be better if whites were killed instead |
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over-stressed by whom? Black film-makers? the media? white liberals? I don't know, since I don't associate with any of those. It would seem sensible to stick together if you're a minority in a huge country--shooting each other over the most trivial, and often Western-Oriented issues is absurd to the point of insanity--and it plays into the hands of certain sections of society who lap it up and use it as propaganda. It should be stressed time and again, especially to the black gangs, that killing each other is moronic. Look at the Jews--they've stuck together for thousands of years now--imagine if Jesus had been killing his brethren rather than killing Romans with his Cosmic Powers® Boy, It's 8am and I'm really typing the ether instead of the network. G'night. |
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i meant over-stressed by the real life people who refer to black on black crime, but yes also by black film makers i just don't see black on black crimes as any more petty than most street crimes (blind to race) you're right tho, it does play into people who manipulate the data and turn it into extremist political agendas (re: crime, education, government support) |
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anyone else care to weigh in? |
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i dont know man... what i said earlier was the feeling i get when i hear blacks talking about black on black crime. when i hear whites talk about it, its usually more like who cares. like they are just evil black people, so it doesnt matter. im making huge sweeping generalizations here, but its a general question... |
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yea it's a very open ended question people shouldn't be afraid to answer, i'm not gonna label anyone a racist cos it's such an unexplored topic IMO.. so people aren't gonna have fully formed opinions |
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blacks in the U.S. have been discriminated against for hundreds of years and continue to be victims of that practice today.... but for some reason it itsn't a big deal any more it should be if i lived in a country where this was happening i'd sure as hell be quite concerned (yeah blacks are discriminated against in canada for sure, and statistically probably have to put up with lower economic and social envirmoents too.. but its not as bad as in the US from what i understand (there are no ghettos in canadian cities... juts bad neighborhoods)) i mean, there are no ghettos like the ones in Chicago, NY, LA, Washington etc.. i think our culture/society is a little ahead of itself..... we think too highly of ourselves the fact that a group of people, defined so only by their skin colour, live in such ways and endure such discrimination even today is just sad.. people seem to forget about that when they talk about how civilized we are |
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i agreed, it's glossed over by most people.. the only people who are constantly aware of black urban plight is (not surprisingly) blacks themselves.. so i guess it's only right they continue to stress "black on black" crime, so as to make others aware of the epidemic that is contributing to the wiping out of their race |
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we need some more white on white crime to even things out |
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hehehe........i think there's a lot of dat going around too. bile.....your avatar reminds me of a french artist......his name begins with F.....he did some medical sculptures..... |
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i found this by going to google and searching for "prosthetics" |
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I think it is stupidity. Like those anti racism hearings this year where the blacks threw all the non-blacks out, it was all over the news papers here. That was racism at its best. Think of it this way, they have an ALL BLACK CHANNEL on tv, but the second you put an ALL WHITE CHANNEL on tv its really racist. Thats fucking stupid. |
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Does not calling colors on each other, such as white on white, or black on white, or black on black and so on, cause a situation where it puts up boundries? I mean, they do it to themselves now,,, whatever racism they get its only done on by them. Do you know how many black people IVe heard say that blacks cannot be racist? |
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yeah, but that's ONE channel... how many white channels already exist on TV? too many to list |
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there is a very real black subculture in music, comedy, everything its not racist to awknolege that... is it? the mainstream culture is the white culture..... every other chanel on tv is the white entertainment network lol |
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exactly what I was saying |
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yeah you posted while i was typing so i didn't see yours |
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no, no, I'm just agreeing with you :) |
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many, such as myself, would argue that while there there is no "White Entertainment Television", 99% of tv programs/networks are catered toward the white majority already. in addition, BET is white-owned (viacom, who also own mtv, vh1, etc.), so it's not even black tv.. it's what whites want blacks to be (stupid, culuturally ignorant, behind the times, materialistic... ever WATCH bet? it's a fucking abomination.) |
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I saw it a couple of times when I was in the States--I couldn't watch it, it kinda made me feel nauseous. |
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*looks at dj spinna review and some others from the last couple weeks* they really need to stop reviewing hip-hop. |
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whoops wrong thread... ehh, pretend the above was posted in the pitchfork media thread |
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if one black kills another, its really no different then a white killing another white. either way its stupid and tragic to see anyone get killed especially over something stupid like gang shit. i dont think people really look at it being any different from murders of any race. the way i look at it is that they were stupid enough to chose a life of crime and thats how it ended their life. i think black people really have a lot of opportunities to excel nowadays, atleast in the ny area. it maybe "harder" than for a whtie person, but anyone can work hard and achieve their goals- racism isnt as evident as it once was to where a black man cant get a college degree through student loans and get a successful job. well ofcourse that can just be in nyc, its too diverse for you to be racist and you wouldnt achieve anything by being racist |
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i think you miss the point about the precious nature of a black life, especially while young, and fail to see the tragedy of the situation or the endless cycle of violence surrounding blacks in poverty.. |
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I think people used to think that way, but times have obviously changed, and the next generations wont think in a narrow-minded fashion of black on black...There's more violence and hate then black on black violence. This thread is depressing me |
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how's it narrow-minded? it's easy for you to say that i suppose since you're removed from the reality this thread's about. slavery still exists, it's just changed forms... |
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"removed from the reality this thread's about" Narrow-minded doesnt have to mean something bad or wrong...its just the way people think. I know more about racism and slavery than you think Titsworth. |
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Boy youre gonna carry that weight a long time! Titsworth, youre gonna carry that weight a long time! |
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you're hispanic right? so yea you would know a bit about racism, but considering you listen to so much "white music" (as you've probably been accused of before by people you know) and have enough money to spend on the internet, you might as well be as far removed from the situation i'm talking about as most of the other people on here. no disrespect, i have nothing against hispanics, i'm just making a point that your ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean you relate to black on black crime anymore than some white dude in maine. |
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blah blah blah your accusations are tiring me...shutup! |
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Where I live the worst thing you can be is Asian if you want to avoid name-calling. Or, like me, half-caste but mistaken for Asian pretty often. I've recieved a lot of racial abuse since early school, and about 70% of it is because I look asian. What a shit country (England). |
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no well if you dont agree with titsworth than you never right, so dont worry no i dont take away from the value of a black life, life is life, no one is worth more. if people are going to get caught up in crime than thats what happeneds no matter what race you are. just because you are poor doesnt mean you have to live a life of crime- its the mentality that people owe you someting for being black which is what your implying that they feel they have to live lifes of crime. which is bs.. why make a thread when your going to bash people opinions whihc you ask for |
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just cos i defend my point with a passion doesn't mean i'm not listening to you and making an effort to understand what you're saying, and often times i end up even changing my mind. i'm saying the life of a struggling black youth is very precious in the context of their life obstacles that whites don't have to overcome. that's why it's all the more tragic when they kill each other because of gang violence and drug war that the white society has created (not white individuals, especially not the white middle class or lower class; more like government and corporations). |
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no one forces anyone to do drugs or join a gang its completely voluntary. yes it maybe harder for poor people or struggling black youth to say no, but its not impossible and it does occur |
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