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Vanilla sky is an abortion of a film. I woke up and it was all a dream..how original! Cameron Crowe should be ashamed |
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Original version was better. Remakes usually suck. Bastard americans, they have to steal our ideas and make them shit... |
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Don't know about Vanilla Sky, but vanilla hub isn't too bad... http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/2387/2387913.html |
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go see the original |
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i hate hollywood remakes. i havent seen vanilla tho. only the original. ive heard that they have bought the rights to fever pitch and are gonna make it a baseball movie instead of soccer. shame on hollywood!!!! |
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actually the problem with vanilla sky lies in the fact that the original "Open Your Eyes" itself..is generic pseudo Hollywood wanna be excercise..It's a montage of various different Hollywood Sci Fi blockbusters ("Total Recall"and "Matrix" to name the more obvious one) rendered slapshod on a low budget... Spain has offered up far better , more original films than that.... Vanilla Sky being a Xerox of a crudely rendered collage looks and seems like it to... But Bill Hicks enough of telling us what you dont like and hate..how about a thread about something you do like? |
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your wish is my command |
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The matrix is older than Open your eyes, so u r wrong there... |
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Spain gave Buñuel to the world. That's enough to eat all of Hollyshit! |
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my point precisely... |
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check it |
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The cultural mirror the US has offered the world, on the other hand, owes its success to something else. Here the secret of American hegemony has lain rather in formulaic abstraction, the basis for the fortune of Hollywood. In a vast continent of heterogeneous immigrants, coming from all corners of Europe, the products of industrial culture had from the start to be as generic as possible, to maximize their share of the market. In Europe, every film came out of, and had to play to, cultures with a dense sedimentation of particular traditions, customs, languages inherited from the national past—inevitably generating a cinema with a high local content, with small chance of travelling. In America on the other hand, immigrant publics, with weakened connexions to heteroclite pasts, could only be aggregated by narrative and visual schemas stripped to their most abstract, recursive common denominators. The filmic languages that resolved this problem were, quite logically, those that went on to conquer the world, where the premium on dramatic simplification and repetition, across far more heterogeneous markets, was still greater. The universality of Hollywood forms—US television has never quite been able to repeat their success—derives from this originating task, although like every other dimension of American hegemony, it drew strength from expressly national soil, with the creation of great popular genres drawn from myths of the frontier, the underworld, the Pacific war. |
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From PERRY ANDERSON 'FORCE AND CONSENT' New Left Review 17, September-October 2002 Thought it was interesting and related to Hollywood remake of European films. |
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I thought it was quite good, but did anyone else theink "Total Reacll" at the end? |
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jonesy i don't know where you copied that crap from but it's a lot of anally retentive bullshit |
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I thought total refund |
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It might be but how do YOU explain the hegemony of US culture? |
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i didn't want to explain the hegemony of US culture in the first place. I think it's pretty obvious why in the first place. |
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I actually dloaded this movie, I expected it to be some SC-FI Film.....yay....but it was boring romance flick....wtf...at least Cameron Diaz is in it |
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does someone knows by which musician is the song that comes on the end of the movie (when tom jumps of the building)? a friend asked me abouth that , but i haven't seen the movie-i checked the end, but i only have a copy which ends right after the movie ends, so i can just hear 5 seconds of that song. i think it could be by sigur ros, but im not sure. can someone help me with this please? |
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At least the the film has Sigur Ros' ( ) track 4. That made it worth watching..for me. |
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when this song takes part? |
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I will rewatch it and find it for you..... |
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hmm, please no need to... i was just wondering, actually a friend of mine asked me what is the song that take place on the end of the movie-when tom jumps of the building, and i thought it might be by sigur ros... |
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come on... see the original. btw great music in the original too |
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you mean "abre los ojos"? i was just about to watch this one... i dont think im going to watch vanilla sky tho... |
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http://www.hafssol.co.uk/ |
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I thought vanilla sky was nice. |
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omg, i had "open your eyes" for over a year, and i only watched it today for the 1st time!? what was the point of the remake?? it was exactly the same...at least they could add or leave out something. i didn't really enjoy either of them, just not my thing i guess, a bit boring. there were some nice scenes but thats about it...pretty disappointing. |
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err.. it wasn't a dream. you need to see it again. the reason for the remake is simple : to bring the story to people who live in countries such as the us + uk.. countries which don't take european cinema seriously enough + give it the respect it's due by releasing foreign language films in the cinema. it also makes things easier for lazy cinemagoers+dvd audiences who can't be bothered to read subtitles. |
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I liked it... |
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"it also makes things easier for lazy cinemagoers+dvd audiences who can't be bothered to read subtitles." so basically to grab money from silly people. |
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haha.. yeah. precisely. |
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another fact...they always pick sort of bad films to remake. but i guess they can't get the rights for those decent ones. |
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theyd never be forgiven for remaking the truly great films. how can you improve on something thats as near perfection as you can get. so they pick the not so good ones, hoping to be able to improve on whats usually a decent idea which fell short of the mark in its execution. |
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personally, i thought vanilla Sky was quite good, the soundtrack was great too. But the complete explanation at the end pissed me off, they should have left it ambiguous. The original was better of course, as with most things. |
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but vanilla sly was exactly the same as abre los ojos...they didn0t change anything - just attractive actors so it sells good. i don't see why would it be any different with good films - i mean they make everything the same, just put actors people love and thats it. they'll get good money. |
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i hope you see what i wanted to say, cuz i said it in a not best way :) |
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bill hicks, you obviously didn't get the point of the film then. i mean you're saying that the only thing that matters is what people do, not what they think/fantasize/plan..... if anything, the "i woke up and..." techn ique fits the point being brought across, since the movie is portraying someone who goes through internal conflicts, trying to graps what is happening, until finally he is able to move on, it's obviously about finding yourself, realizing your mistakes. anyway, /me waits for flames |
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i thought it was alright. 6/10. |
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remakes generally suck! The Ringu remake was total crap, as they've made the kid talk too much, and they've missed the explanation as to why Sadako (Samara) had her powers. however, some remakes actually make it: Bourne Identity remake wasn't as much crap as the others, but they could just as well have "digitally remastered" the film, and re-released it, because it was exactly the same. The Italian Job turned out better than most because they had Donald Sutherland (that's the name of that crazy old guy, right?) in it! |
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i dunno, i guess the whole remake thing is hard to master, i mean its like trying to modernize a picasso....how the fuck do you modernize a picasso????? |
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the ringu remake wasn't crap actually. just mediocre. the original was pretty mediocre too. 6/10. |
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did you see the original? they didn't change anything at all. even the script was (almost) identical. so maybe it would be like copying picasso but with colors that people love or something... |
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It was pretentious bullshit that failed to have any humanity about it whatsoever. A totally soul-less film. |
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the original rocks! the remake is shit. i actually have both Ringu, Ringu2, Ringu0 and "The ring" on dvd, and I've seen them enough to say: "you have to watch the backgrounds in ringu, and think a little bit (as much as a horror-movie can make you think). in The ring, you don't have to think" |
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please tell me what was the difference between the original and remake? |
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of which film? (btw: how is your speaker-search going?) |
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oh, i thought you were thinking of abre los ojos and vanilla sky... about speakers - if i'll have the time im going to go check for those b&w's and dali's today. |
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I was so bored I wanted to walk out of Open Your Eyes at the festival, as for Vanilla Shy why bother |
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