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offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-14 12:19 [#00514015]
Points: 3301 Status: Lurker



If thi story is true, then it has already begun. mp3s
designed to exploit flaws in all the popular media players
and report you to the RIAA have been distributed on the
major p2p networks.

This is certainly possible, but I believe this is a hoax
because there is a lot of scaremongering language in
"Gobbles" message.

This kind of thing *will* happen if the Berman law passes in
the US Congress, and nuts to the rest of the world...


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-14 13:22 [#00514099]
Points: 4630 Status: Lurker



mp3-virus is complete shit. you got to find a security bug
in a specific player and than you can maybe infect one
version of one player with a certain file. there is no way
of a large scale invasion. technically it's almost
impossible, not to speak from the fact that riaa pretends to
be on the side of the law.

i've been in touch with copying of all sorts of media,
starting with early pc games, console games, audio, video,
dvd and stuff. riaa will never succeed. there are a small
bunch of grey-skinned guys against an army. just remember
the redicolous copy protections last year, for example,
druqks was copy-protected, it took me fife minutes to get an
update for my cd-driver. the 'high-end'-sony-shit is
conquered by drawing a thin line on the edge of the cd,
hehe
man, we have seen copy protections come and go, anyone
remember the password sessions with the old pc games? hehe


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-14 13:28 [#00514106]
Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Cheffe1979: #00514099



Soon you will need a license to own and operate a general
purpose computer. And to own programming tools you will need
to be a licensed and bonded programmer who submits urine
samples regularly.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-14 13:34 [#00514113]
Points: 3301 Status: Lurker



I think this kind of attack could be successful.

If you infected the albums of the top 20 or so downloaded
artists on Kazaa with exploits for MusicMatch, Winamp, and
Windows Media Player, you would reach a lot of people.


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-14 14:13 [#00514128]
Points: 4630 Status: Lurker | Followup to Inverted Whale: #00514113



genghis is an independent company and i also doubt that
mr.musicmatch will let his program be a means of terror for
the riaa. mp3 only contains data so there is no way of
appending a virus. it's not as easy as it may seem, because
you actually have to corrupt the audio device first from
somewhere outside. any simple firewall usually does a good
job.
i know of only one example where mp3's played a (minor)
role: old winamp playlists longer than 65535 files caused
winamp to crash, but before that the data behind the last
entry was interpreted as program code. by manipulating a
playlist you could get any software running, but first you
had to make the user download the playlist. it's not that
easy to invade a computer.
fleetmouse: i don't see things that dark. the reason why we
always hear these roumors about how riaa will fuck us is
cause they really are scared to death at the moment. it's a
sign of weakness, not of strength; i've heard a lot of
stories about tracking some fileshareguy down, but it never
happend to anybody i had contact with. they wanna make
people afraid of using kazaa and stuff because they have no
other idea how to rescue their jobs


 

offline b0nk from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2003-01-14 14:13 [#00514129]
Points: 1121 Status: Regular



tbey will never stop file sharing

long live soulseek!


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-01-14 14:18 [#00514134]
Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Cheffe1979: #00514128



The Republicans are in power in the US at the moment. They
will pass laws that are beneficial to Microsoft and the
large media corporations. They will sell it as
anti-terrorism.

Most people don't know better and won't care that their
computers are no longer computers but heavily monitored pay
per use media kiosks with some light emailing and word
processing capabilities.

The rest of the world will be strongarmed into complying by
virtue of threats and bribery.


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-14 14:20 [#00514135]
Points: 4630 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #00514134



we will see ;)

republicans tend to fuck the thing up in the end, at least
in europe.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-14 14:27 [#00514138]
Points: 3301 Status: Lurker | Followup to Cheffe1979: #00514128



I had originally written a pretty long reply, but it was
boring as shit ... but the condensed version is: these
viruses are possible, firewalls wouldn't stop them (your
updated anti-virus would) and there are many more flaws in
media players and operating system than the one you mention.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 14:31 [#00514140]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



i think the idea of www.emusic.com is good... pay a fixed
rate and legally download as much as you like.

they've got a pretty extensive back catalogue now too...
plenty of industrial stuff like haujobb


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-14 14:35 [#00514144]
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launching virus attacks would wash away riaa's credibility.
and that's the last thing they have 'cause they can't win
processes without. btw mcaffee has not taken notice of a
single mp3-virus up to now so i consider this to be a hoax

you can maybe corrupt complex programs but not the simple
ones which only stream the file, no way, i wrote a simple
player once, i can't see how it could be corrupted

whatsoever, they are the ppl in trouble, not we :))


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-14 14:37 [#00514146]
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yeah, new forms of trade and retail sale could actually move
something, i believe that too


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 14:42 [#00514148]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular | Followup to Cheffe1979: #00514146



not quite the same as buying the actual CD tho......


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 14:46 [#00514150]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



the main media players i.e. windows media player, quicktime
and real player are all dreadfull bloated pieces of over
complex software that insert themselves into the operation
system like parasites that can never be fully removed, and
spy on your activity. i think theres plenty of scope for
"backdoors" into them...

however if we all just used very simply player that merely
played mp3s then we would have peace of mind


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-01-14 14:48 [#00514152]
Points: 4266 Status: Lurker



Mr.record company man. I am terrible sorry that I happen to
have some copys of your albums. Im sorry.
Deeply sorry. I wish I had more money so I could afford to
buy at least 5 cd's a year. Maybe I should get a better
education in the future so I can get a better job with a
better salary.
Mayby This whole thing is more than just a problem with
copying, or stealing as you call it.
If my neigboour or my friends had better jobs and more money
we mayby could afford to buy metallicas new cd.

...but how is it with casettes?
My mom has a lot of beatles etc.. on tape and I think she
copied some to her friends back in the eighties.
Is that bad?
or isnt it the same?
ARE YOU GOING TO STOP THE INVASION OF THE CD-R's too`?



 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 14:48 [#00514153]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular | Followup to Loogie: #00514150



and keep checking spyware with ad-aware...


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 14:53 [#00514156]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



trouble is developers can't code a player that plays RA or
QT without having to pay some stupid royalty. infact i don't
think they allow 3rd party players AT ALL. anyone know of a
media player that can play QT or RA files? (other than
quicktime and realplayer obviously)


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-01-14 14:57 [#00514158]
Points: 4266 Status: Lurker



Robbie williams got 220 million dollars for a new contract.
220 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and the price of cd's goes up day by day.
MY GOD!


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 15:08 [#00514165]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



cunt. he even admits his stuff is shite. what is the world
coming to?


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 15:13 [#00514168]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular | Followup to Loogie: #00514165



*cough*capitalism*cough*


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-01-14 15:19 [#00514176]
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*cough*capitalism*cough*
Oh no...I think it's a virus...

*cough*greedy bastards*cough*
...


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 15:23 [#00514179]
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heheh


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-14 15:23 [#00514181]
Points: 8472 Status: Regular



*puts himself in isolation*

:-(


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-01-14 15:32 [#00514187]
Points: 4266 Status: Lurker



There was a tv program here in sweden about this problem...
and they talked to a guy... who had heard of a band called "
kent ".
The guy explaines that he went to the cd store to buy the cd
by Kent but discoverd that the cd had copy protection.
Dissapointed he walked away from the store, yes he was
dissapointed cause he hadnt a so called "normal" cd player.
he only had a computer and a mp3 player and had it becouse
it was more practical in his job where travels alot. He
didnt want to take all his cd's everyday to work.
...So the guy wrote a letter to the record company and
explained why he didnt want to buy the new Kent cd and added
100 swedish kr in the envelope.
So instead of buying the album, I'm giving you this money
and downloading the album from the internet.


 

online ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-01-14 17:23 [#00514316]
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i thought of donations too,cause some stuff is just too hard
to get.
another good thing would be som way to donate or buy your
personalized pressed copy of your favourite songs by some
artist or label...
i dont buy this cd-bullshit except for some brilliant
releases, why should i pay for half baked cake?!


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-01-14 18:41 [#00514351]
Points: 3088 Status: Lurker



"Money is the downfall of humanity."

yes!! i completely agree
i hate major labels bah.......


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-14 21:22 [#00514429]
Points: 1112 Status: Addict



Fuck them and their law...
Politics, Industry, Society, Shit.

And I hate stupid people.


 

offline CrippledGiraffe from blechdom on 2003-01-14 21:26 [#00514437]
Points: 71 Status: Regular



If you're so worried about the virii disguised as mp3s...
don't download any more Eminem you fucking chimpanzee!


 

offline CrippledGiraffe from blechdom on 2003-01-14 21:28 [#00514439]
Points: 71 Status: Regular



Skyfarmer, thats a tight icon. Where is it from?


 

offline go gadget from who cares (United States) on 2003-01-14 21:28 [#00514440]
Points: 159 Status: Lurker



but hes the only artist who represents us suburban white
kids


 

offline CrippledGiraffe from blechdom on 2003-01-14 21:32 [#00514448]
Points: 71 Status: Regular



go gadget in the hizzy. word. your mother.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-14 21:47 [#00514461]
Points: 3301 Status: Lurker | Followup to Inverted Whale: #00514015



The RIAA just said that this hacking claim was a hoax ...


 

offline poop from the ass of your dreams (United States) on 2003-01-14 23:10 [#00514511]
Points: 13 Status: Regular | Followup to CrippledGiraffe: #00514439



www.plif.com

colored by myself


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-14 23:13 [#00514514]
Points: 1112 Status: Addict | Followup to CrippledGiraffe: #00514439



yeah, that POOP guy was me...

just forgot to relogin :)

and the POOP avatar is fully mine. Done in Photoshop.


 


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