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outside_ninja
from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-08-18 15:23 [#00354568]
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In June, after the British musical group the Planets introduced a 60-second piece of complete silence on its latest album, representatives of the estate of composer John Cage, who once wrote "4'33"" (273 seconds of silence), threatened to sue the group for ripping Cage off (but failed, said the group, to specify which 60 of the 273 seconds it thought had been pilfered). Said Mike Batt of the Planets: "Mine is a much better silent piece. I (am) able to say in one minute what (took Cage) four minutes and 33 seconds." [The Independent (London), 6-21-02]
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-18 15:24 [#00354569]
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Ludicrous.
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outside_ninja
from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-08-18 15:35 [#00354573]
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Yes, it's like not being able to use another's concept - mind you, it would mean a lot less shit in the charts! So maybe it's not all bad! :D
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-08-18 15:45 [#00354574]
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Jar, I just pictured your avatar saying Ludicrous!!! :D
hahaha cant stop laughing :)
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-08-18 16:13 [#00354577]
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4'33" is my boss's lynchpin argument against modernity, or postmodernity, or something. His other pet peeve is frivolous lawsuits, so when this story got posted to overlawyered.com it was like a double chocolate almond mocha intellectual orgasm for him.
I think the whole thing smacks of one of the great art pranks, like the kind of stuff in the Re/Search pranks issue. The whole shebang needs to be documented on video and shown in a chi chi gallery with a nice beaujolais. The verdict should be that the offenders have to spend a year shackled to a Korean man.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-08-18 16:46 [#00354581]
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hehehe =)
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-08-18 16:54 [#00354583]
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the two tracks are clearly completely different, i can't see what the fuss is about
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outside_ninja
from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-08-18 18:04 [#00354623]
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Isn't Mike Batt responsible for some "great" TV themes?
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-18 18:15 [#00354627]
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2002-08-18 18:31 [#00354649]
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I prefer Magic Window. 1:45 is the perfect length.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-18 18:35 [#00354656]
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yeah..Mike Batt is the guy responsible for all those Womble records...wombling Christmas etc...
Are Wombles know of outside the UK?...I always wondered...
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-08-18 18:40 [#00354661]
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This was announced a while ago..
I wish people's "estates" couldn't sue. They didn't make the music, goddamnit.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-19 00:41 [#00355054]
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Now this is a real head scratcher for copyrights everywhere, heh heh. morons have copyrighted SILENCE?? psh...
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-19 00:42 [#00355057]
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www.mp3.com/peeet had a track called "quiet time" which was shortest of all... and I think the best.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-19 00:42 [#00355060]
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Even trent reznor had like 94 extra silent tracks on broken.
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diablo
on 2002-08-19 00:43 [#00355061]
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That's about as funny as a hernia.
"Remember you're a Womble!"
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-19 01:41 [#00355149]
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I don't think the "silence" itself is copyrighted, more like Cage's concept.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-08-19 01:47 [#00355162]
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does that mean when i'm down the pub, if i stop talking, i'm infringing on his performance copyright? fuck, i owe this guy a lot of money then
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-19 02:00 [#00355168]
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no. maybe if you'd bring it out on a record.
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