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vltermx21 (or whatever its spelling is) is so intense and great so emotional |
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yo Phiz,..: "kluizenaar, i could send you individual tracks, melodies, basslines, samples..." this would be the best way for me to REMIX a chosen track. ".........set out how i'd like them in the tune, maybe 3.30 minutes long and you could add the drum track?" This wouldn't work for me ,in a way that I rather have you mix my, to be made, drumtrack in your tune. So you are in control. mail me your emailadres ,mine = giannareyers@hotmail.com so we can get specific , personally I'd like to do a remix as my creativity is at a low at the moment. Preferably wavefiles for every seperate track (bass,beat etc) But if all you can manage is a "mp3/wave file conversion of a full audiotrack" then I'll work with that. lemme know ,aicht? (I'm off to bed right now,,...goodnight) |
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just play the appropriate chords to harmonize... it's simple text book stuff... there's tons of text books dating back to medieval times about music, scales, chords harmonies..etc.. noise on the other hand is exciting because there are no rules, no text books, no formulas, no do's and dont's..you experiment, you trial and eliminate...it's equal parts science and art...its uncharted territory.. and all this stuff..about sitting on a piano, and or with an acoustic guitar..and pounding out your tunes is such a cliche..I have known tons of people who can do that brillinatly..doesnt make ME want to rush out and buy their albums I think you just chose the wrong venue to try and convince people of your theories....old worn out theories I might add...you will get plenty of yay sayers on one of the boards dedicated to more traditional music... |
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Look, I'm not trying to convince anyone what is better ok? It all really depends on how the composer thought about about anyway! In retrospective, my initial post was a little badly written and harsh, and I apologize for any offence caused. And for the unmpteenth time, I do respect a lot of Autechre's music...:D |
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SHAFUCKINZAMM!!!!!!!! did you see that, i become a wizzard and didnt even feel the receiving of my special powers, feelin giddy. ............................ ../\ .............................<..> ...............................\/ ...............................11 ...............................11 ...............................11 ...............................11 \/\/\/\/\/\.................11 IIIIIIIIIII\...............11 IIIIIIIIIIII\..............11 IIIIIIIIIIIII \............11 IIIIIII......___) IIIIIII....(_O_) .......II...........) .....II..............\ .......................\ .........................\ ..................(O___) .........._____) .........(_____ WIZZARD!!!! ...................) ................../ ................./ _________/ |
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ASCII art is a Wizard power?..why am I so crap at it then? COngrats:) |
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it all depends on how IMPORTANT a 'beautiful melody' is to you. music is strictly about the arranging of sounds. to the people who use dissonant sounds there are bad sounds, good sounds and VERY good sounds. if you really get into it, you will hear the depth and also the difference between good stuff and bad stuff. it is very hard to make good dissonant stuff. |
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dissonant isn't noise though really, thers that thin line again, when noise becomes recognisable melody, maybe not melody but a loop which feels melodic, i dunno, tough subject. |
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hear hear.. |
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yeah well, I use 'dissonant' as a general term for 'non-melodic elements'.. |
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I think a word we are looking for here is ATONAL |
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thank you, yes, thats the little bugger.. :) |
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I found this comment: "I can make those kinds of tracks in a quarter of the time it takes to produce and memorable "piece of music" and this one: "I can hear everything they did....it's justy some clever use of effects, and lots of mangled drum sounds heavily cut up, reversed, repeated, ect" very arogant....presumptous, and closed minded. I know you didnt say one style was better then another CS2x but you were sure implying it... not only in those quotes above.... but in a lot of your comments. A big part of appreciating art..... is having an open mind. |
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:) |
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iT takes me a lot less time to write a melodic piece than to build a listenable noise/atonal/dischordant piece.. listenable is the keyword here.. |
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haha, Atonal, what a fuckin horrid word, imagine sayin to someone, listen to this, this is my favourite tune in the world, and then gettin the reply, oh thats very atonal that, i'd be insulted |
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but maybe them melodic tunes which are so easy to make are the tunes that are straight from the heart. |
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good point i take atonality as a compliment..some times |
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eh, bad comment there. your bringing back the melodic is more emotional thing. refer to the above posts to think about why you should take back that last comment. and you may say easy to make is the keyphrase, but one could say the same about noise. stupid thing to say. maybe "whatever types of music your into" should replace "melodic tunes" |
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CS2x not trying to dis you here or anything.... but do you have a link to some of your tracks... I am interested to hear what they sound like. And also.... which label are you being signed to |
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Mickey mouse, the reason I said those things, was, because from my experience, it was true....however, I was probably wrong about Ep7...after all, I really enjoy Miphive 6.1...a great track... It's all about opinion really...no one can define what is great art and what isn't imo...and I have already apologized about my first post. |
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i dunno, i do have a strong beleif in spontenaity(sp?), things that come straight out of me, instead of getting too analytical about things. i know what you mean about easy to make too, it can be an 'easy' way out of actually applying yourself to a project instead of creating 'on the fly' so to speak, i dunno, my creativity has allways been very spontanious and direct, i find if i overcomplicate things i lose something from my creativity. |
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"It's all about opinion really" there it is right there!!!! each to his own, every single one of us has totally different tastes when it comes down to it, nothing anyone can do about it. hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!nothing i tells yer |
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yea so keep your opinions to yourself muthafuckaz, don't come here saying something is better or harder (which seems to make things better in many peoples eyes) or im gonna ghetto stomp you. |
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I work on a lot of spontaneous impulses when I create the sounds, textures, etc..I keep in accidents misstakes etc..and then when it comes to putting a song together..I juxtapose those spontaneously created sounds, loops etc..I do have have to think and plan a certain randomness into the reoccurence of these things because generally instinct dictates order, and repetition... |
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Damn skippy..... that IS what makes art great.... its soo subjective to opinion..... whats horrible to one person...... is beautiful to another none the less..... those two particular comments.... were VERY arrogant, egotistical, and closed minded IMHO do you have any of you tracks online? what label are you being signed to...... I am very intrested |
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right now i make noise tracks cos i'm too scared to make the music i want to make. i've set a really high bar for myself cos of all the music i listen to. for years i've been writing down ideas for songs and lyrics but i've made just about nothing cos i want it to be just how it is in my head. |
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kluitzenaar, mail your way. accidents, misstakes etc. usually produce the best results |
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true. |
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Word..with every mistake and accident you are opening another door..another possibilty you didn't plan on.. |
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yea like that time i accidently killed all my neighbors in this huge mix up i got myself into, it all worked out cause now im in prison and the world doesn't have to be bothered by me, except on the internet. |
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titsworth, i know what you mean, i've took in a hell of alot of music over the years that now i'm starting to get out my tunes its hard to realise my tune are unique, instead of being rehashed. the ammount of input for tunes and ideas for all sorts of things i've got stored it's hard to get going because of the overload of ideas when you do actually start creating. |
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Most music creators probably evolved a relatively unique ability at doing a particular thing. Difficulty in creating melodies or realizing any other concept or idea varies from case to case. Some of the best melodies I've heard are these simple bleepy ones at www.mp3.com/imaginary "merry cannibals" "our world is orange" etc. That guy can make them easy. He must have some underlying creation concept or maybe his software/equipment allows him to make them easy. I once thought the "autechreish" camp was sort of scientific, trying to understand and re-create nature... for this reason, it could be almost as interesting to listen to REAL natural things, like the gurgle of the bathtub drain (you just don't normally think about it) But they definately create stuff that nature doesn't make too. I don't see nature suddenly accidently creating much of a melody though. |
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"Music should be about emotion, not the newest 'sound'." comments like that are subjective too... it simply varies case to case... people's purpose of making music, people's purpose of listening to music etc. There's not a single reason. |
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i guess the music of now and the future are more of effects and techniques applied to simple melodies to make something wonderful you can hit one note and apply all sorts of effects and get great stuff i may be worng but i guess plasticman made a song out of three notes only |
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i think daft punk got the commercial praise and money out of the minimal side of minimal beats that richie hawtin should have got the credit for, he really got some kind of feeling and emotion out of minimal beats long before Homework got the praise it did for daft punk. |
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well daft punks homework was a housey and not as electronic as PM |
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but i think the whole praise given to Homework was to do with it's minimalist use of beats and the space it had, Plasticman really used it well, live he was too much, when it was just a kick and snare pounding out, more feeling than any of these IDM people we listen to. |
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I have some nice melodies in my head constantly, that I'm too lazy to put into actual music, whether on the computer or on the guitar. Too hard and time consuming to figure out. Melodies are the main thing that I love in music... gotta be combined with some creativity... Beatles and Autechre are just so good at that. Beatles with their catchy songs that still manage to be innovative, and Autechre with their ''noise'' that still manages to be melodic. I'm listening to Eidetic Casein right now, and FUCK the melodies make my head spin. |
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