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offline doctorvee from Kirkcaldy (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-15 02:11 [#00349815]
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Why are they called that? Not very filling, are they?...


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2002-08-15 02:15 [#00349818]
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they fill up space on the album... that would have otherwise
contained....space?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-15 02:33 [#00349834]
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i often disagree vehemently with people's opinions of
supposed filler tracks on aphex twin, nin, radiohead, tool,
dj shadow, bjork, etc. albums


 

offline doctorvee from Kirkcaldy (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-15 02:44 [#00349838]
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No way man, if you want to fill space, you make your track
as long as possible!

Short tracks fill up space? Quite contradictory, I think...
:/


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-15 02:50 [#00349843]
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if the tracks really are shite i say don't include them and
make them a kickass ep

basement jaxx 'rooty' could have been a phat ep if it was
just
romeo
get me off
where's your head at
and maybe jus1kiss

but as it is now it's the worst album i've ever purchased


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-15 03:11 [#00349862]
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Most pop music is stuffed with filler. A couple of hits to
sell the record, and a lot of songs that are just ''going
through the motions''.

Big double albums can fall prey to filler... I think Drukqs
is pretty good for having minimal filler, actually... Bit4,
Aussois and Lornaderek are a bit useless, but that crap is a
TINY portion of it. All the piano tracks hit the spot for me
now, although it took some time.

And The Beatles' White Album has been accused of filler, but
I say NO WAY... something new every song, eclectic like
crazy.

As for Radiohead... no way do they have filler. You can tell
they're giving it their all to make some satisfying albums,
no useless uninspired tracks. Who the hell could accuse THEM
of ''filler'', yeesh.



 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-15 03:15 [#00349865]
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but ophecks there's a major difference between segue tracks
and filler tracks.. filler tracks are meant to disguise
having nothing to say (ie: not enough music to fill an
album), segue tracks provide a cleaner transition between
two full songs that don't sound good sandwhiched together


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-15 03:21 [#00349868]
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I have so many albums that are 95% filler. It annoys me when
I buy a CD from the strenth of a single/radio play only to
discover everything else is utter crap.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-15 03:23 [#00349870]
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If you're talking about Drukqs, yeah, you're right, I guess
they're not ''FILLER''. I could still do without these
segue tracks. Which is why I don't consider them filler,
exactly... I kind of consider them, erm, annoyances? But I
think that album is pretty meaty. I don't see the point of
these segues. BOC does little ditties that carry you to the
next full lengther, and they do it nice and spiffy, they're
almost as important as the bigger songs to me.

If you're NOT talking about Drukqs, well... bleh!


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-15 03:27 [#00349872]
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yea i was talking about drukqs specifically (though albums
in general). the segues are also there for comic relief in
an otherwise pretty humorless album, especially by aphex
twin standards!


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-15 03:32 [#00349874]
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It's kind of a weird balance just randomly throwing in comic
relief here and there. No real flow... but hey, that was
probably his intent, to be annoying. Who else would put an
answering machine message on an album...

But like I said, I don't see it as filler, but I've heard
people refer to it as a bloated ''contract ender'' with
filler, but I DON'T see it that way. But damn those segues!
And damn that awkward word.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-08-15 03:37 [#00349878]
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i agree w/ u people who have said this....

a lot of what most people consider "filler", i do not

especially those little short tracks, (like on Boards of
Canada albums, or Drukqs)....

length isn't everything! ;)

hehe...... for me, those short tracks can be highlights
themselves!
.....obviously, in helping the album to flow along..... but
they can be great completely on their own too!


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-15 03:37 [#00349879]
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I like the progression of Drukqs why use filler tracks for a
double album. I listen too it from begining to end cd one
then cd two.


 

offline Ross from Canada on 2002-08-15 03:40 [#00349881]
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For some reason I like the majority of songs on all the cds
I own..sometimes i don't really dig a track too much but it
seems that over time as i enjoy the album, those tracks
become more appetizing..


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-15 03:46 [#00349884]
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I skip lots of songs... I don't really listen to albums AS
albums. I've listened to DSOTM straight through, and I like
it a hell of a lot more when I listen to it in whatever
order I want, whatever song I feel like listening to. So I
don't experience filler... I'm not an ''album'' guy.

And with MP3... there is NO order to how I listen to things,
now. I like it that way. If it's filler, I never hear it
anyway.


 

offline USACID from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2002-08-15 04:55 [#00349925]
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i hate when people buy concept albums and say, there's a
lotta filler on there. Dumbass's

Sure pop groups have to put filler to make the audience feel
good about the release....if they buy it. Or maybe its the
artist poor attempt to actually produce something that THEY
actually wrote. and they usually suck i hate groups that
don't write their own stuff..


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-15 04:57 [#00349927]
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um who exactly are you listening to that doesn't write their
own music? no offense, but aren't you a little old for that?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-15 05:11 [#00349942]
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You're thinking of "filler" as perhaps that white stuff that
goes inside a twinky


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2002-08-15 05:48 [#00350034]
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I think its quite unfair to call some tracks fillers. If you
make tracks regularly and take time on them you would
understand what i am trying to say here... sometimes you
make short tracks that rock and you put them on an album to
create flow.... but when you put effort into making a decent
track (even a short track) to put on an album.... all that
time and effort.... to just call it a filler.... I just find
that kinda disrespectfull....... I mean sure... for shits
sometimes you wanna say stupid shit and put it on a intro or
something... or a random interlude..... but most of the
times..... many tracks have lots of thought put into
them.... except for perhaps that 5 second druqks track....
or the magic window bullshit.... filler is a term for people
to use that idolize an artist and are loyal fans.... but
they cant believe they dont like a certain track... so they
discard it and call it a filler....


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-15 05:54 [#00350052]
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my thoughts on filler tracks


 


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