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I got this e-mail as a forwarded message, and even tho I usually hate forwarded emails, I thought this one really put everything in perspective that's been happening in my country recently... probably wont have as big of an impact on non-americans but I thought I'd share anyway. :) ------------------------------------------------ And we said O.K. In light of the many perversions and jokes we send along to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This joke today is not intended to be a joke, it's not intended to be funny, it's intended to get you thinking. ~~ Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11 ). ~~ Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?" ~~ In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. ~~~ Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK. ~~~ Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK. ~~~ Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said |
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Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued. (There's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we said OK. ~~~ Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK. ~~~ Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK. ~~~ Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good. (I dont have a prob with this one) ~~~ Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK ~~~ And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech. ~~~ Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead. ~~~ Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill str |
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Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. ~~~ Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW." ~~~ Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. ~~~ Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. ~~~ Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. ~~~ Are you laughing? Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us. Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in! Are you thinking? Be the person that you were born to be, not the person that someone else was born to be" ~Angel~ |
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jeez, i didnt even realize how long that was! |
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OK. |
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In my opinion ... The world's getting better, not worse. |
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funny how guilt trips never work, and just provoke people to go against what that person is saying...... |
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somehow the fact its just a fowarded message detracts somehow the world isnt getting better or worse, its just changing |
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methinks... all people didn't say OK to all that. so why would they be "punished" too? it's like, adam and eve were punished, banished from eden's garden, because they ate the apple — but were their children punished too? they didn't eat the apple. is it fair? i don't think god has a personality or anything if it exists. and i don't think justice exists at all either, because we all have different conceptions of "good" and "bad", "fair" and "unfair", etc. |
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i agree with you xtiaan. |
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i dont believe that everything in that message is true, I don't even believe in god. I do think that it points out some of the things that are happening in my country, good or bad. i dont think that everyone said OK to all those things too, but from my experience, most of the people here would share an attitude similar to the one in the message. mylittlesister: it's not really intended to be a guilt trip, tho I could see how it might be perceived as one. xtiaan: i dont see how the fact that it is a forwarded message detracts from it... if u had heard it on the radio or tv, would that matter? |
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that's cool kinda a nice way to broach the subject of God into more people's brains. The part about God being sad about people dying is pretty powerful either way, I've certainly never thought of a higher power looking onto this world in that fashion. Good stuff ZT |
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I believe in freedom of religion and I don't think that there should be prayer in schools. Am I a terrorist now? Is God going to kill me? That email is disturbing |
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I sent that chain email on (I usually just delete them), just because I liked the point that we are always sending on cras jokes etc. rather than "serious" chain letters and y still people complain of the decline of society. |
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I hated that email. Its like they're basically saying, if you dont accept God and and start allowing prayer in schools, he will not protect you: therefore bad things will happen to you. These Christian fundamentalists need to fuck off. God loves everyone, not just the rich people who give him all their money. If Jesus where alive today he'd be trying to fix these fanatics because they twisted His words to their own liking. |
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Then some mildly interested mouse came along and said that right winged republicans ideals and reasons for things are bullshit... and trite garbage. weatheredstoner... I am glad SOMEBODY feels the same way I do about these people Thats sounds like the stupid crap that oozes out of President Bush's mouth most of the time... |
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"...but question what the Bible says" Read: www.landoverbaptist.org/quizlist.html for some nice quizzes about the bible |
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Billy Graham was a millionaire conman. Sounds like his daughter is trying to eclipse him. Bet Gods proud of the pair of 'em. Anyways, I like pictures of nude women, but I don't equate it with glamourising murder & violence as that fundamentalist totalitarian tyrant of a bitch does. God had fuck all to do with 9/11. Blame the US government, not prudish morality over nudism . Amen ) |
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After re-reading ; It seems She's trying to profit out of our fears over terrorist attacks "Unless you become indoctrinated with our club rules , God might let you be bombed. muhaha !!" What a cynical , evil woman |
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"I believe in freedom of religion and I don't think that there should be prayer in schools. Am I a terrorist now? Is God going to kill me?" That's not what this email is saying at all. It's saying that people have done everything they can to push God out of their lives, and then wonder why God doesn't protect them from bad things happening. Not that he/she/it ever stopped bad things from happening before... but lately it seems more and more people are losing their faith in religion. I really fail to see what is disturbing about this email. Its intent is to make you consider things you might not have before. It's not saying "Worship god all day or bad things will continue to happen to the world." It's merely puting things into perspective and instead, saying "some bad things will always happen, but who has been showing any faith, anyway?" at least thats how I interpret it. |
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Look at how many people show faith in the West Bank & Israel. Whose God do you side with ; or do you you assume Gods always on yours ? |
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well, if there is a god I don't think he'd be on my side since I don't believe in his existence to begin with. I know many peoples in other parts of the world still show great faith in their religion, but in America the number is steadily declining.... |
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OK ZT: my point was simply that the high levels of faith in religion in the middle east have directly contributed to the carnage there. So much slaughter has been commited in the name of religion, and this war on terror has a hint of a crusade about it.... so.... basically I'm not getting drawn into the false "Lets go back to our creationist bible classes" sentiment of Ms Graham |
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yeah, I agree with you on that note, I dont think we should regress to that stage, it just seems that some people have forgotten their religion alltogether... |
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Yeah I understand, your interpretation is that people who "push god away" shouldn't complain to god if something bad happens. I agree with that. The original message however is clearly written by a christian and comes across as fingerpointing, numerous sins are being described and this is all indirectly(and that's the dangerous bit) linked to all the bad things happening in the USA(is the USA the only troubled area?). No, my interpretation of this story is that it's a story to convert insecure and scared people into christianity instead of letting them think about the real issues. |
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I don't think that God has to do with 9/11. It is the act of MAN alone. So I think equating the removal of religion from mainstream society to some crazy fundamentalist fucks destroying buildings is ridiculous. The email is disturbing to me because it is trying to blame the average American for terrorism. |
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But I like watching sex & nudity I like the idea of kids not being whacked I like the idea of kids not being born in 'shame' (anti-abortion / no condoms 4 kids campaigners tend to let this fact sail over their heads) I like freedom & privacy I like watching TV without assuming that I'm being 'promoted' whatever it shows... its an idiot box..... I don't do whatever it says I like all the things this woman clearly resents. Fact is, if it weren't for her having something to crusade AGAINST , she'd be out of a job. She digs all the bad shit really.... |
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The article is pure crap Where was God when all those priests were buggering the Catholic kiddies up the bum ? |
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you can`t,and shouldnt force christianity on people,let them make up their own minds[i did,and i was forced as a child to go to church/sunday school etc.etc.]who says there is a god,and what about other religions,why arnt these educated in the way christianity is at school. I hate brainwashing preaches like that[and mine],people can be so nieve,i dont really have a point,it just annoyed me a bit[although i liked the bit about dr spock]even though she did have a point,its just ruined with the word of the lord shit. |
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