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"Electronic music cannot express as much emotions as totally organic one. There is much more of a passion between a musician and his instrument than that between a man and his computer programs. " This is a quote that i found at a Radiohead messageboard, and it seems to express the general publics views. Why do they think this? It doesn't make any sense. |
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I know, A mechanical instrument is made of the same stuff as any other instrument. What difference is there. It's nothing to do with the instrument, only the artist. |
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Indeed, electronic instruments will eventually sound exactly like the best example of their real world equivalents. They will also have a far greater range of sounds than traditional instruments could ever hope to achieve. Look at moby, he writes a song on guitar first because it is simple, then writes it on computer using electronic instruments. |
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"Look at moby" -- ewww... NO! |
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heh. not a good example. |
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music is full of emotion regardless if it is organic or not the most important thing to me is honest, creative music when i heared orbital insides when it came out i used to get goosebumps when ever i hear out there somewhere and that was electronic every kind of music has emotion or feeling even stupid popy songs |
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lets exclude moby yes |
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people are too stuck with the tradition of the guitar band to understand that electronic music is generally more expressive than any other. its just really annoying trying to convince someone that it can be expressive and having them say, no theres no way thats possible. |
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moby beurk (as french says) Im a drum and guitar player. I love Gipsy jazz. People who says those kind of shit never tried to do an electronic sound. Theres no difference between someone behind a drum and someone behind a beatbox. Just a question of "technique". i prefer a beautifull beep than a Satriani solo. |
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Thing is, playing the guitar live (I'd imagine) is a different thing. Thats where emotion can be strumed directly and is different kind of expression to programing live. Does anyone agree with that or see where I'm coming from? |
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agree with you chri5py i saw smashing pumpkins live a few times and they are much more emotional than on cd i dont want to admit it but i almost cried when i was at the ADORE tour cause the show was the opposite of the cd it goes back to the artist anyway |
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exactly... both points of The instruments not mattering and the direct interaction with instruments like the guitar both come down to what the artist is feeling. |
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i think people have follow this opinion because, for example, when u play the guitar or piano the notes/chords you play can be slightly altered to affect the mood of the piece, and these alterations are sometimes subconcious decisions, but in electronic music ALL those small alterations have to be programmed in, so they lose the.... natural-touch(?). well, something like that. hard to explain. electronic music is programmed in beforehand, non-electronic music is played at that exact second. A Jazz improvisation would be very hard to do with electronic music, because it wud all have to be predetermined... unless you had someone playing it over the music of course. |
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but still this is a classical example lets say bjork her music is very electronic yet the most expressive you can feel her music no matter how electronic it gets and on cd she is not less emotional than live when she wants to express her self with a certain melody or tune and you cannot get that certain melody from a regular instrument you go and you PROGRAM and put effects on the piece of music you are making |
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I personally think it is a lot easier to channel emotion into a traditional instrument, but thats not to say you can't do the same with an electronic equipment. The main difference between a guitar and a track made on a computer is that the emotion in the guitar usually reflects the emotion of the player at that moment in time, whereas electronic music tends to reflect the general mental state of the person during the time the track was produced. |
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doesnt make it less emotional or expressive |
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You have to put the emotion there. It doesn't just 'exist'. |
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when i saw squarepusher live, i saw the first electronic musician truly pour out emotion while he 'just twiddled knobs'. To me it had equal energ to strumming a guitar or beating a drum. He felt the rythmn, he knew the sounds that would come and he twised the controls. Until you witness a true pro. do that you cannot say they are not the same. Also, i saw a 2-piece dublin electronica outfit do the same and they had were colaborating with that same live energy. Couple with the range of sound you can get....its better all round. |
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electronic music is not less emotional or less expressive, but that's the way people will see it unless they witness otherwise. |
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electro: u used bjork as an example. dumb. she uses a classical instrument: her voice. electronic music is less expressive in the fact that it is all, for the most part, non-improvisational. if someone does improvise, then that woud require playing a traditional instrument. knob twiddling is harldy improv. electronic artists are emotional adn anyone can get into a tune, but it's what you get out of one, or how it hits you. electronica does have emotion, but i would love to hear something that is as emotional as say gsybe! or rachel's. i doubt that will ever happen. i make both traditional and electronic adn mix the two on other occasions. so phooey on youey! |
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"if someone does improvise, then that woud require playing a traditional instrument" ...so you can't improvise on a pc? I DO IT ALL THE BLOODY TIME!...to do it at a gig, live will take years of practice though (like an instrument) Lets get it down to basics...playing music on any device = ......Awareness of musical ability of the device - check ......An idea (not dependent on device - check .....practice to fully grasp the devices range - check .....the device responds instantaneously to your impulses - check sound! -check ..sorted.... |
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dumb you how electronic homogenic was? yes she uses her voice to record it on her laptop to make sure she gets the right sound and tune when she records dumb |
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you should see how people react when i play any sort of electronic. i work at a summer camp, and i play music over the house system sometimes. either they blow it off as "gay sounding", "drug driven raver crap", or my friends just say "that must be Zack's music, cause it's weird". that's the mainstream opinions I've heard. |
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dumb |
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since i don't play any instrument at the time and i don't use pc to make music i'm not able to say what the truth is,but i think that musicians are concerned their ideas coinciding with the music,i mean they have to reproduce something in their mind through some instruments and pc gives you more possibilities to express your ideas |
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so a big applause to electronic music...no other type of music gives me the same feelings |
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give me a rubber band and i'll expres my ideas! he he he. if you are improving then you are playing live, which means you have to use a trigger device which is a taditional instrument. who;s dumb> riiiiiiiiiight! björks music is far from moving anymore. it all sounds so repetative and redundant. sorry, but that's my opinion. electronic music rawks, but knob twiddlers will never be able to compare with the nuances of live music. the intimacy and ability just isn't there |
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dumb bjork Live @ Shepherds Bush Empiretraditional instruments electroinca moving dumb |
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look, when i saw the word 'mainstream' i began to feel depressed. just dont talk about mainstream and theyre fuck ass shit opinions. |
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the problem i've noticed with electronic performed live is that an individual experience and that everyone lives on its own without sharing it with anyone...but as far as nuances ithink that there are a lot,every bjork's track changes from gig to gig and according to the people she asks to accompany her during her concerts...but anyway i'm not a rock fan so i can't change my thought on that for now |
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ok anybody saw AIR live? |
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I think it's not the soundgenerators themselves but the sequencers that control them make much electronic music sound very sterile compared to accoustic music. When electronic musicians play something wrong they quickly correct it on their computer that's why it often misses nuances that give the piece character. |
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dumb |
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the great thing in electronic performed live is that you only have to listen to the music,if it's not bjork of someone very important you don't take care of who is on stage...last year i saw autechre live but they could be two simplepeople of the crowd i couldn't dinguish them...in a rock concert people on stage are so important,if you go to a u2 concert don't you mind of the stage ,the images bono or things like that? but that's not music that's more a show |
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who of us cares about the "Mainstream view of electronic music"? as long as people are still making electronic music we should be happy. why do we need mainstream acceptance or understanding if we have no problem finding, enjoying, and creating electronic music? i have a radio program and i make a huge effort to get people turned onto electronic music, but in the end if they don't like it i don't care. if they do like it i'm happy. i recommend the same philosophy for the rest of you - be a good human being and introduce people to excellent electronic music; if they like it be happy, if not don't fret! |
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electro: i saw AIR live in june 2001, they were amazing. one of my favorite concerts actually. |
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Yes, I don't care for Moby either, but you can't deny how talented he IS. Oh and actually he has a really good song: "God moving over the face of the waters" -- That song kicks ass. |
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Hmmm.... Electronic music in the 50's was considered experementing with different sounds and attaching things on drums.... There was this one book I found on the library about this man making this crude monosyth and hooking it up to his vacum cleaner. Wierd stuff.... Oraganic music like classical.. or jazz... it has its place, just like I think electronic music has its place. Thing that gets me though... When people get this thing like... oh you make electronic muisc... I see.. so there are no real instuments. Me, coming from a classical music background... I say.. no I play piano and the sax... and they go... ooooo so you do play an instrument, and then in their minds they think its ok. Personally I dont think it makes a damn difference weather you can play an organic instrument.. (all people can play the kazoo... all people can play intruments (some better then others). Music is about getting your feelings out. So some people best think there feelings and expression can be done with singing.. others with an instrument, some with computers. To get stuck on this... oooo you cant play an intrument... how can you be a musician... or how can it be "real" music, really is quite stupid. Squarepusher in an interview said that he used his studio setup like a kind of intrument.. messing with everything he could to make a controlled choas. People can be soo close minded sometimes when it somes to music... what music is... and what music is acceptable. Sad really |
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i loved AIR live the music was transformed live one of my favorite shows i've seen my favorite bands live are AIR, Smashing Pumpkins and Orbital |
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Fuck the mainstream. There's all kinds of tiny little rivers branching out from this ''main stream'', and they're fun as hell to explore, but still have a connection to the central system... What the fuck am I babbling about? |
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real instruments allow your consciousness to easily channel "feelings" to your fingers (unless you're playing a nose flute or somethin).... it's a single conscious creation. |
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why do some people think that live improvisation is the only way to effectively channel emotions? i think it has more to do with your familiarity with the equipment your using i can program a melody in sawcutter within a few minutes which expresses how im feeling at the moment a lot easier than with a guitar or something...because ive never played a guitar..but have been using sawcutter for months when you become familiar with what your using ( be it computer software or a physical instrument) to the point where you can do things without thinking about them... thats when you can effectively use it to express yourself... and i dont think that the creation has to be instantaneous to retain emotion...compare it to other forms of art...a painting or a film can take months to create, and still be very emotional.. |
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well, I have only seen like one group in concert ever, so live playing is not that important to me... it's the recorded music that matters, it's what I'm listening to all the time... and well, some of the most beautiful and emotional music I've ever heard has been electronic... however, some of the most beautiful music I've ever heard has also been mixtures, or pure non-electronic music... |
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