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why the fuck did richard call SAW 85-92 SAW 85-92?! I mean ambient, let's go back in time, brian eno, inventer of this background furniture music... he's the inventer of ambient, he pointed out certain rules. Like, it must have no real structure like: a beginning a middle part and an ending. Those are the main rules for ambient. But then AFX releases his selected ambient works 85 - 92 wich isn't ambient, sure it has certain vibes of ambient influence but it's not ambient at all... SAW II on the other hand is actually ambient, let's not forget that, so why did he call SAW 85-92 ambient? It's a great album imo, prolly his best one, but why, why ambient? was he just fucking with our minds or what? |
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good point. |
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I agree... Xtal =ambient....Nah dont think so. |
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yeah or uhm we are the music makers... that's far from ambient... |
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yeah there is some ambient pieces on it tho like "i" and "Tha" and some other that is kinda ambientish. I dont think Heliosphan, Pulsewidth Ageispolis, Green Calx, We Are The Music Makers etc is ambient tho. SAW 2 that is really ambient. |
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yeah 'Tha: and 'I' are the only ambient ones I can think of |
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in an interview i've heard richard talk about what he considers "ambient" music. He said the most defining aspect was that ambient music has no beats. And then he said the only reason SAW 85-92 does have beats in it is because actually his friends selected the tracks that would make it to the album. I dunno... it's probably bullshit (i can't imagine he didn't choose himself what songs would be on his debut-album!), but that's what he said. I agree though, the only true ambient track on there is i |
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I think he named it like that because he wanted to sell more records.... The record label he got signed to then really wanted a ambient artist on their rooster (ambient was beginning to blow up and it was kinda hot back then, yeah its hot now to but u see my point). The Orb was pretty big back then and R&S RECORDS wanted someone alike. So I think they took that name because it sound much cooler than Selected techno works 85-92. |
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ambient can have beats. No problem, as long as there's no beginning, middle and end in the tracks. Those are the rules Eno came up with. Just because Eno didn't use beats doesn't mean that ambient can't have beats. I think Richard didn't really understand the term ambient... Ambient is furniture music... When you put it on it has to become a part of the environment. |
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I agree. |
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interesting point but then I'm all for re-defining the given , and shifting the boundaries of a genre Ambient means only 'atmosphere' in French , so unless Eno has a copyright on definition , Ambient should be whatever U want it to be . I dig the atmosphere SAW85-92 generates , so ambient is a fine definition by me |
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Eno was in the hospital many years ago and while he was there the radio was on, but the sound was too soft so he could only hear small parts of the music. That's how he came up with ambient music: forniture music, a part of the atmosphere... He wrote it all down and the whole story appeared in the inlay of his very first ambient album, that's where he gave his definition. Now I don't know if he has some kind of copyright on it but he pointed out his definition of ambient music very well. |
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hm... yeah, i think you're right nexus. Some ambient-tracks do have beat, and still it very much becomes a part of the environment. In SAW 85-92 there is just too much happening for it to be ambient (not that that's a bad thing, but it aint ambient!). These tracks draw attention to them (especially the really good ones like heliosphan and green calx, which totally suck me in). |
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Fuck rules. Who gives a shit what you call it? Would you prefer it to be called "Selected Atmospheric Works with some fairly laid back beats hence contravening Eno's Ambient law (c) 19blah blah" ? |
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no I prefer it to be called selected works 85-92 |
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Who cares if he called it SAW 85-92? The albums damn good. And get your facts right. Eric Satie invented ambient music and coined the term furniture music. Eno simply took his idea and called it "ambient". Fuck his rules. |
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are you sure bout that? |
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damn sure. |
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although it can't really be said that satie "invented" an entire form of music, but he was pioneering it eighty or so years before Eno even thought of the idea. |
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actually, for more information on this, theres a book called Ambient:Music In the Electronic Era, which features pretty much every major electronic artist and many more. Its an interesting read, i suggest you buy it for the real history of the genre. |
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Yeah, it's not very ambient... Green Calx is pretty fucking abrasive. Either way, it's beautiful... and tracks like Xtal and Tha have this serene feeling, kind of ''ambient''... so it's not such an innaccurate title, really. It kicks ass either way. |
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thanks, I'll search for it in the library. So you're saying eno is a lying son of a bitch? |
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not exactly, just that he didn't "invent" ambient music and doesn't really have the rights to make rules for a musical form that existed before he was born. And in that book, SAW vol. 1 and 2 are listed as being in the top 100 Ambient recordings of all time. |
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Nexus 6 does your name have anything to do with "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep"? |
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i've been wondering that too. |
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i'm not so concerned with modernism but saw85-92 seems a bit old and doesn't give me the great feelings of his following works |
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i actually like that album more than any of his other works. it has a timeless, classic feeling to it. |
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I'm not sure Eno ever claimed to be the inventor of ambient music. Anyone have the liner notes of that album? Music for Airports and On Land have no such claim. |
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i think you're right. its more of a misconception of the ignorant press that he invented a genre. |
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of his early works i prefer the songs of the "classics" compilation.it's there where aphex shows wherhe's going to go.saw85-92 is a story on its own that he has forgot that kind of mood |
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no it's a replicant series in the film/game blade runner |
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of classics, i only like polynomial c, which is one of my favorite songs of his. as far as the others are concerned, they're a bit offputting in their harshness. |
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are you kidding, or did you not know that Do Androids Dream... and Blade Runner are on in the same? |
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;) |
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ah, cheeky bugger. |
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polynomial c & isopropanol are really classics...the rest i reckon it's harsh...i don't like digeridoo which is considered a landmark in electronic music but i van't see why |
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yeah i never liked digeridoo either. its so boring. but polynomial c is phenomenal. |
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Digeridoo is one of the first Aphex tracks I downloaded off of (RIP) Naspter back in the day. I loved it... still do. It's not great, but it's a bit of personal nostalgia for me. |
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