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no i can't, sorry. it wouldn't be right, i've already said too much. anyway i don't know if you think he's an "asshole" or vice versa so it's a moot point. |
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eh whatever but seriously... why do these threads always end up with people flaming me? i mean, the whole "reputation" thing... whats with that i still dont freaking get it people seem to dislike me alot, and I dont think anything ive said or done has been annoyin... at least not compared to all the people that are always posting junk |
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HEHEHHEHEHEHEHHE r e s o l <----------------- nanight! |
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hey i'm not condoning anything that people have said about you. i've made a point to speak strictly on your chance of being signed to warp, which you agree is unlikely. stating that you HAVE a reputation isn't the same thing as saying you deserve it. |
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yeah... its just it really bothers me... cause i dont know how it came about and there just seems to be alot of people that have something against me i just come on here to talk about electronic music, cause Im bored and the next thing i know people are judging my character and all that its a freaking internet chat board |
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anyway good luck with your demo, and i agree with you that the artists playing at the show can offer very valuable advice on your music so it's a good idea to give them copies for that reason. goodnight! |
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thanks :) good night! |
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Who are you calling 'lonely', watch your back fucker! |
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hows them nerves coming along? |
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I was making a general point about the worship of Warp by loads of peeps here. It wasn't specifically directed at you; nothing here is. |
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Zeus: I say go for it man, you never know what'll happen. Switch: so, stealin my avatar and trashin it are we? Well, now my avatar is in your avatar too so I still get the last laugh aha HAhaAAHhah ah =p Jonesy: "But why do you believe Warp artists could give you any more valid an opinion than the man in the street or one of us for that matter?" Well, the chance the random guy on the street knows any electronic music to compare it to is pretty slim... and hes already showed his music to us, a record label is the logical next step. |
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I just meant that just because someone makes music and is signed to a label everyone here wanks over, doesn't mean they are the best to judge it. |
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yeah |
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^ not meaning to butt in, but i tend to agree with jonesy .. and could even add a little bit of my own thoughts on the matter - whilst getting feedback from other people is surely useful (dependent on the intention one has in producing music, and as a slight digression, imho feedback from this board would be most useful in this regard, is this after all not your target audience?) - however, it seems to me (although i may be entirely mistaken, and this is a more general thought, than one directed at you zeus in particular) that value-ing others' opinions compromises artistic integrity [if not self-esteem]. This may in itself not be a problem at all - and perhaps very useful. But what happens if you get rave reviews - will you (this is in general) dare and change your style, or are you by such a highly regarded opinion squeezed into a pigeon hole, and compromise your creative input (i'm sure jonesy will appreciate this point) - and inturn, in a sense, become a factory worker - churning out a product. Or if you get shat on with feedback? Will this undermine your creative process in a similar sense? - (of course what creativity is, is a huge and debatable topic etc.) .. umm.. so what was i saying .. um, oh right, in my opinion creativity has something to do with artistic integrity, and in the sense that one would be an "artist", not merely a (to use the previous analogy) factory worker. However - in and of itself, neither is good nor bad - but in my opinion it is important to know what you intend when you make music. is it to release your creative being, or to make a shit load of cash, or a bit of both - erm.. mmmhh.. this has gone on for a bit. so - you may as well give them a cd-r, can't hurt, but i think one can value the opinion of most people of this board equally to that of any warp artist. |
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3rd paragraph should read creative output , along with all the other typo's and shit .. |
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Its typical of bourgeois philosophers like Korben to value an 'artist' more highly than a factory worker. Nah seriously, Korben's point makes sense. There are a number of artists who lose their way after critical acclaim or commercial success. Then again there are those who manage to keep evolving and retain their level of creativity. I guess it comes down to personality types. BTW How are you Korben? Good ta see ya mate. |
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Hey jonesy, things are going quite grande.. what are ya complaining about you proletariat scum! After all - you are the "master of nature," so what have you to complain about :) Did you get my email - with the "radical thought" attachment? I think meho wants me to give you the "gulf war didn't happen" article as well (which i'll scan this weekend). Yeah. . maybe i should have made that point more bold or obvious or something .. its all down to you - but to be aware of it i guess is what i'm saying (though by the same token I'm not saying anything at all!) .. hehe |
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I'm not using the vomitomelette addy at the mo. Check your email mate! |
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fair enough .. ! |
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you should have a parcel in your mail :) btw I got me the Cujo: Adventures in Foam (2cd) rerelease - very nice. |
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The best way (and the route of all Warp Artists to start with..)...is to get youself stuff either self-pressed or try and hook up with a smaller label.... WARP get like 200 demos a day...so whatver you do, it's gonna be ignored... Once tou've got a name for youself then perhaps WARP will come looking for you...(which is their general M.O..)... |
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hey man not everyone sends demos ive only ever sent one demo to rephlex when id been making stuff for a few months, and even then it was only to boast to my mates "yeah sent a demo to rephlex" all very tongue in cheek. been thinking of sending one to warp and rephlex tho. i know i wont get signed, but i dont really wanna be on other smaller labels, coz im happy being semisigned atm anyways |
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korben, i can totally understand what youre saying... but you left out one aspect... im sure there are people you respect. youd like to follow in thier footsteps, in some sense. They do what you love, and you hope that some day you can do it too. I want to write and release electronic music. Why? Because i love it. these people write and release electronic music. Why because THEY love it. I dont think its fair to talk about "selling out" and "cashing in" here. Since when does electronic music (especailly IDM) ever give you an opertunity to sell out or cash in? And are you saying that youve never had someone youve looked up to and respected? and you would just like thier feedback? besides this, i agree with everything else you said btw i have shown alot of people my music on here, and now its at the point where people are obviously tired of me trying to get feedback. They think im "cocky" and "egotystical" for trying to get feedback all of the time. So not only have i tried and gotten lots of feedback here... it seems to be time to stop... considering the reception i tend to get |
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Zeus: my thing wasn't meant to be a personal attack at all, so cool if you didn't take no offence. "I want to write and release electronic music. Why?" writing and releasing are quite different in my opinion. one is about creating, and in a sense ought to be distinguished from the releasing part of it .. the releasing part of it, i assume entails possible touring, meeting other "respected" memebers of this electronic scene or whatever .. "these people write and release electronic music. Why because THEY love it. " They WRITE music because they love it (i hope/shall assume) .. but they RELEASE/PROMOTE it for the money and glory/admiration of people. "I dont think its fair to talk about "selling out" and "cashing in" here. Since when does electronic music (especailly IDM) ever give you an opertunity to sell out or cash in? " Look, it doesn't have to be either this or that .. its all a matter of degree. But perhaps more importantly - doing it for the money is in itself not bad - you have to place the values on it yourself. Selling isn't bad in itself, its only really frowned upon in light of calling someone an Artist. A business man for example is a good business man if he "sell out" - if this analogy even makes sense. All i guess i'm saying is be honest with yourself. Its ok to do it for the money - wanting to release music in my opinion is largely for the recognition and money. I mean it would be a pretty cool job wouldn't it? But yeah .. essentially i'm not saying anything. |
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Telling yourself you're doing it for the music but at the same time wanting to release it and get money/recognition from it seems like a bit of a contradiction to me. |
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ALso, another thing .. bout the respected thing and feedback. Do you think they respect you? I reckon for feedback of any kind to be most useful the respect has to be roughly mutual? Just a thought? |
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Ofcourse .. by saying CREATING and RELEASING ought to be treated as seperates, is ignoring the invariable truth that each influences the other .. and I guess it is the degree of this that is up to you or something .. fuck it, this mb layout is really hard to think with - i'm off to have some tea. |
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"writing and releasing are quite different in my opinion." exactly! you have to prove to people that your music is really worth taking up thousands or millions of people's time. no body is owed a record deal. most electronic "artists" aren't signed and do it for the love. i find it kind of odd that zeus is so hung up on getting signed to a label when he should be concentrating on making more and better tracks! continual self-improvement. i mean let's look at afx for a second (hey, don't mind if i do! haw haw!). saw 85-92 is made up of selected tracks from thirteen 90-minute cassette tapes full of his music that he gave out to friends of his. now that is a huge catalogue of tunes, and i'm sure he had even more than that when his first album came out. i don't think he was obsessed with getting signed, he just really loved what he did. you don't have to have RDJ as a role model, but he's an example worth studying. |
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of course i make music for the love of music but give me a fucking break. i need to make a living some how. Its either try and release my music, or fucking work at mcdonalds all my life, and make music on the side. Sure ill still be doin what i love, but guess what, i dont want to work in mcdonalds. and you know what? thats all i could do, because im majoring in music... so what jobs would i be qualified for besides music? its easy to make up these principles and pass judgment when you dont have to deal with it. what the fuck is wrong with wanting people to hear my music? Its a great feeling to know youre communicating to people with your creation. and there is a difference between selling music, and selling out. |
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Pineapple |
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I'm sure I had something more to say than that... oh yeah, I dunno about electronic artists, but a stoner band who come from my town have just been signed to Sony. They're the biggest pile of shite I've heard for a long time. So anything's fuggin possible. Although, you shouldn't hold out much hope Zeus. Warp are too busy playing my demo. |
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"Although, you shouldn't hold out much hope Zeus. Warp are too busy playing my demo. " hey, I thought that warp was interested in good music, and not cheap heavy metal!!! ;) |
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zeus: music is my life, but i'm not kidding myself - i'm double majoring in english and psychology, which i am also passioante about. firstly, as a musician it's so difficult to find success. not only do you have to find a label that will sign you, you really have to have a lot of luck (and i mean luck, not talent) to make a living out of it. so many amazing artists just don't make enough money to get by. even if you manage to make some money doing your music, in almost every case it won't be enough money that you won't have to work a real job. music will always have to be something you do on the side. secondly, with my knowledge and passion i could make an excellent label rep, music journalist, or [insert music industry career here]. but i have a real honest and sincere love for music that would be corrupted by the horrible beast that is marketing and promotion. and again, music - whether making it or handling it - is very, very difficult to make money on. it'd only be just enough to get by. i'm not saying writing books is that much easier, but at least as an english major i can write anything - fiction, non-fiction, newspaper articles, company documents, whatever. |
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I don't think Zeus takes advice too well - maybe he is visited by the Ae in nocturnal visions who, like Bruce Lee in No Retreat No Surrender, guide him in his quest for Musical Perfection, and the opinions of lowly MBers just don't cut it? Form, Power, Speed. |
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What's your point? As musicians we can write jingles, musicals, national anthems, hymns, commericial music, soundtracks, and anything else. I think you're a little bit arrogant. And by that I mean, you're incredibly arrogant. |
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i'm being harsh but this is how i feel about the matter. as for jingles and such, you're right. there's a lot of competition for the 'music as service' line of work as well but it does pay the bills. |
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i take advise... just not bad advise from people who dont know what they are talking about |
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exactly and while im doing that, i also will be trying to make my own music that i want to make, and hopefully get somewhere with that as well. |
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Is creating the music an "means" for you, where the "end" is money, or is it an "end" in itself? IMHO: recognition only really means anything if it comes from peers, and I'd say musicians on this board (some of whom are very accomplished, some of which already belong to or own small labels and such) ought to be thought of as worthy to be considered your peer etc. etc. ad infinitum: but that's just me - time for another tea. |
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I haven't read all these messages, but I must agree with Zeus on one of the last ones here... I've been fiddling around with Fruity Loops, and I must say, one of the great things about making music imo is allowing others to hear it... for some reason it excites me... I think trying to get your music out to the people is just natural... you ant to do it... and hey, what's wrong with trying to get paid for something you love? As long as you don't make the music for the money... |
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Why does that not surprise me ... oh .. that'll be the kettle! |
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Thing to do is... if you havent heard this before. Is just to keep plugging away at it. Keep trying new things.. listen to DIFFERENT music then what you make, that helps a lot when I make tracks. Dont get discouraged... or upset with yourself. Your worst enemy is yourself.. because I judge myself way hard too. Hand out demos no matter what, especially if there is an artist that makes the same genra of music as you do. And dont give up. Words of advise from your pal Mickey. Mickey Mouse says: IF I WERE A DUCK I WOULD HAVE BOOTS NOW WOULDNT I, CANT YOU SEE I AM A HIPPO!?! |
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to get back to the beginning.....how do you think they (the people on the Warp tour) feel about having some guy force his CDs on them while they are on tour... its probably really annoying, and probably happens too often... sounds like you are setting yourself up for a big disappointment |
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