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Remember that song Mutual Slump on Endtroducing?? Well thats a FLUKE song! I just dled it! I can't believe it and neither can Princo. Maybe some of you knew this already but if not...now you know! And if you don't believe me...go buy Fluke's cd Oto or dl it! THIS SUCKS!!!!!! I thought he would have sampled better than that. |
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ITS ALL TRUE!!! |
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Does that make him a sellout? Isn't a sellout someone who changes their style to sell more records? |
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hey that's the proper definition of sellout. however dj shadow is overhyped and kind of lame in my opinion. |
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i still think mutual slump is a great track! |
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No...not in this case...if he took a song like Fluke's...like the WHOLE THING ... thats selling out. I thought dj shadow worked like this... 1) get a beat from record 1 2) get a melody from record 2 3) get a certain crash cymbal from record 3 4) get a bass line from record 4 5) put them together for a song not TAKE THE WHOLE SONG!!! ANYONE can do that!! |
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i think the term is.... "grabed a track on put his name on it" without any modification what so ever. |
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before you jump tp brand him a sellout?? do you know which track came first ? |
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Thats it exactly Princo! This is not a happy day in electronica.... |
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"and" not "on" |
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i still think mutual slump is a great track! |
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WELL OBVIOUSLY!!!! FLUKES!! he's a SAMPLER! he takes from OTHERS songs...how could fluke come out after dj sampled from him. dj shadow would have to time travel |
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im kinda upset sorry :( this is not a happy day |
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i still think mutual slump is a great track! |
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it is...but its just a shame is all im saying |
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but did you answer my question - call me doubting thomas but i wanna see proof of release dates for both records .. with dj shadows rep i don't think he would have done this - also it is likey to have been bought up in the music press - i haven't read it anywhere |
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well then i'll take a look. |
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look at cdnow.com or hmv.com. fluke's came out one year behind endtroducing! it came out in 95 and endtroducing came out in 96 |
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but ws it on a single or anything before hand ?? maybe they just used the same sample - it happens alot .. it might be more intersting to find out what sample is used in the track than accuse shadow of selling out... |
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still, you shouldnt expect to get away with something like this.... there gotta be a reason for it. |
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ohh i see what you mean Astrid...hmm...im not sure. |
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Has it ever occured to you that you may have downloaded an incorrectly labled song? |
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maybe he's not aware of it - loads of his samples come from a guy called david axelrod - but i'll try and find out what the hook is |
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On "Mutual Slump," he uses an unrecognizable sample from a Bjork song and crafts another huge, half organic/half electronic beat to lead the song along over goofy samples. |
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Shadow was doing stuff with the guys in Soulsides and Quannum before Entroducing wasn't he? If so, there's no telling how much older material may have made it onto his record. Wasn't most of Preemtive Strike older stuff? |
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from breakbeat chronicle: Though Bay area-based Shadow, or Josh Davis, is a sucker for rare jazz and funk stuff, he doesn't hesitate to borrow from big-selling artists like U2, Metallica and Icelandic singer Bjork. On his album "Endtroducing" the song "Mutual slump" confronts shrieking drums with Bjork's mellow chords of "Possibly maybe". And we can stay in Scandinavia, telling you that the same Shadow-song "Mutual slump" starts off with a psycho drum-fill by progg-rocker Pugh Rogefeldt from Sweden. "Love Love Love" is the tune. There you are. he also sampled metallica for the bassline of what dioes your soul look like - it's enter sandman i think |
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I think you might have jumped the gun in dissing Mr Shadow there. :) |
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shadow is a collage artist he takes what he thinks sounds good, and will suit his musical ideas. it shouldnt matter where he samples from, as long as he makes it work. dont be so quick to judge |
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fluke also remixed bjork alot so it wouldn't be a suprise if they sampled her in return... |
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So what's the final verdict then folks? DJ Shadow a sellout? Yes/No/Maybe My vote is No -- I just wish he played a better live set. |
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no |
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i doesnt really matter to me... i like Coldcut better :-D |
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i'm not sure that the term sellout applies - what has he done here - used the same sample as someone else - probably unwittingly - big deal... he didn't sign to sony go on tour with britney and use his music to advertise burger king whilst remixing j z - also too often when an artist is accused of selling out it is because he or she doesn't live up to their audiences principals and expectations ..it's a confusing term... |
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I think rip off works better than sell out. He's not the only one. Funki porcini stole a jazz song didnt change it one bit put it on his record and on the record it says everything written produced arranged etc by funki porcini. Copyright blah blah blah. I would agree that's pretty lame makes you wonder how much work he really put into his beats. |
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who cares,just listen to his music |
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my highschool music teacher is good friends with funki porcini |
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The bassline from Mettallica's - orion is in "the number song" |
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Eh, DJ Shadow blows anyway..... |
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orion that's what it is - i just have it on the what does your soul look like 12 " so i assumed it was all the same thing |
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uhhhh The kid who said "DJ Shadow is a sellout" is BUGGING!!!! :) Do u know what selling out means? I couldnt stop laughinG!! LOL What are u talking about!? YES. I got Flukes album Oto from 95...so what!? They use the same sample, so what? ITs a dope track regardless and DJ shadow made a creative track, stop whining. |
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DJ Shadow a SELL OUT!? Hell motherfucking NO! How could he be? Have u heard his albums? |
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Who cares if he sampled a Fluke track. That is a terrible reason to bash him. And if he didn't sample it then he reworked it. Here's a prime example Jega - Unity Gain(Off spectrum) It's a reworking of Two Lone Swordsmen Black Commandments. Musicans are allowed to do such a thing, and furthermore. Did you like the song before you heard Fluke were the ones that did the song 1st? Yeah, kinda thought so. |
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did he credit fluke though? |
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Never heard the fluke song, so I guess they both swiped the same thing from one of Bjork's songs. I doubt the Shadow would ever completely rip-off a track by another artist. IMO he's the best DJ in the business and I doubt he'd want to get caught doing something like that. |
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It doesn't look like he needs to. As some one posted earlier he used a Bjork sample and added other beats and sounds to it as did Fluke. |
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DAM! SQUAREPUSHER IS A SELLOUT!!!! ;) He made a cover of a Joydivision track!!! ;=) |
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dj shadow doesnt credit most of his samples... its a money issue... you have to gamble with it... what are the samples most likely to be recognized, and which ones arnt. his music is 100% samples, so if he cleared them all (i.e. crediting them) he would have to spend sooooo much money. he talks about it in his Remix interview, and puts it into alot better wording then i just did... |
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revpersona: Right, right u are on point :) |
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hmmmm Luke Vibert is a sellout all hip hop producers are sellouts all producers a sellouts!!! Aphex Twin sampled the world famous Popcorn melody AND the pac man tune he is SELL OUT HAHAAHHAHAHAH LOL give me a break! ;) |
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well he is a DJ, and what do DJ`s do.........play other peoples songs,so therfore hes a very talented DJ.thats not my opinion though. |
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