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Free music vids=) We could have video competitions like with the Remix competitions on other sites. We upload some silencensed photage that people can download and edit how they want and send in. Best video gets uploaded on the xltronic site for a thousand+ members to behold hehehe!! That would attract much attention and creative people to the site/Label but would maybe require much webspace ?. |
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you bet your ass it would take webspace. depends on the details (length, resolution, etc.) |
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I like the open source idea... And yeah, aminal...I know what you mean abour MP3s and paying for em...but I just feel thats an eaiser way to get this off the ground and move forward from there... |
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Im up for it. I can lend help in any department and ofcourse my music! But... Im in aslong as its not like a zebox or mp3.com thing, because that wouldnt be that great. But im sure that what your talking about it 100% different in the small ways. Either way im in, all the way. I have extra time I can devot to it. |
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sorry to burst the bubble here, but regarding the record label itself who do you honestly think would buy these albums? i mean, you have virtually no audience, despite how much we on this message board like each other's music. if planet mu artists are only selling an average of 800 copies per cd, and they're professionals and veterans, what makes you think anyone but people on this board would have any interest in releases on this label, especially without advertising or touring? |
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good point, so make it free Maybe phob would be so kind as to give us some webspace for it or something |
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How's it going tits? I still haven't checked your Mp3 yet, I've been learning how to sail! I'll check it definately tomorrow, I've downloaded it anyway....that's a big step for me! |
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dude the mp3 is just over one minute long, you've already spent more time justifying your not listening to it ;) anyway, hi! glad i caught you, you seem to be coming online while i'm out. i'm sure you got my email yesterday, thanks again for the mp3 you sent me, it bangs. |
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it looks like a good idea. |
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Cheers! They gave it a good review in NME my friend said...I honestly am the worst at doing what I should be doing. I'm supposed to be finishing my thing and I've started sailing lessons? My priorities really need sorting out, that was my new years resoloution...Hope everything is going well for you.... |
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I haven't checked my mail today....I'll check when I wake up.... |
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you sound like a christmas card, but keeping in context with running monologues my neighbor fucking sucks, he keeps coming to my front door and asking me to turn my music down. only, i don't live in an apartment! the old codger. i was listening to an mp3 of mike patton's live lovage "horny goat weed" contest until he came by. i'm a prisoner in my own home. |
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titsworth, we CREATE an audience - we promote our stuff in small record shops, shops that cater for small labels and where open-minded individuals browse... i ain't saying we suddenly released 500,000 LPS in one go - we promote and we promote - using hooks and imagination... (CTRL, everyone is invited - don't think of it as being MY label or anything - it's OUR label) and Jand, money isn't the priority, certainly not for me - it's DOING something with the music and the artistry -- seeing if we can cut thru the crap and sail a straight course into the brave new world of music :) |
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I'm really lucky like that, I don't have neighbours for a mile! Not thay I live in a mansion or anything but it's in the middle of nowhere! I've had some right neighbours in the past, cutting of electricity etc. |
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The only brave thing I can see that you're talking about is that you are not renting office space and asking everyone to contribute like a commune. It still sounds very conventional. Still CD format, still sold in record shops which I don't yet understand how you're going to actually get them there. |
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you live in the house in fight club. marlowe: do you have any idea how many people make music on their computers? i really don't see how you could convince them that the people who make music from this mb are that special, sorry (and no offense to anyone, especially since i like a lot of the music i've heard from members here like gonzola and flea). as for what jivver said, he's right, you're not going to win over a distributor with your "we're a bunch of very promising internet message board users" line. nothing records (reznor's label) can't even get US distribution for their acts coil and 12 rounds and those groups are seasoned professionals. |
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yours, mine, ours, same difference. |
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i thought the whole point is that we wouldn't even TRY to get major distribution! like ophecks said: small record stores have stuff made by local people..... not even on a label just burnt cd-rs the major thing is that we're pooling our talent and resources |
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But who takes the CDs to these cute little stores that will fill up their racks with unheard of artists? Small record shops have the least amount of leeway for error of judgement, they'll be your harshest critics. |
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who said anything about "major" distribution? just distribution at all, i mean if you're sincere about wanting people to buy/hear these albums and compilations you need a legitimate way to get the cd's into stores (and yes, even the "small record shops" order cd's from distrubitors, they don't have to be major). but for the sake of argument, if you were to keep it all on cd-r (which a lot of people are really hesitant to buy to begin with) how would the cd-r's make into shops? just a mb user coming in and telling the owner to buy cd-r copies off him? and i know i'm going too far with this negativism (sometimes i am a realist), but what's to stop the store owner from buying one copy and buring 20 to sell and keep all the profit? |
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well don't worry, we won't put you in charge of distribution then :) |
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Jesus we are so negative! ha ha ha! It's true though, I wish everything was that simple. |
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i think a good idea to create buzz for the label is to have all the UK artists do a tour where for a cheap admission people get to hear 10 artists they'll supposedly love by the end of the night |
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C'mon Marlowe,don't be like that. Just give me 48 hours, that's all I ask. |
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but it won't be a case of sending joe MB member into his local JiZm Records with a few CD-Rs - just because we would be small doesn't mean we wouldn't be professional -- yes, we would attempt to deal personally with the record store, but that doesn't mean in an amateur fashion - that's why this thread has been made - to thrash out all the ideas -= nothing is set in concrete. there are many avenues open to us, so why block them off at this early stage? i know someone who owns a small record shop and he was keen - say you persuaded one record shop to stock only 10 copies of Phatbert latest album - that's one record shop - 100 record shops worldwide is 1000 copies - &tc &tc. the key is to build connexions |
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if ur a small, independant record shop owner..... whos into independant, underground music (btw: we wouldn't exactly be walking into HMV here)..... then hes prob not into ripping off small artists and yes, they do exist and whats stopping record owners from burning 20 copies of britney spears' newest cd anyway!? of course they have to order CDs through music distribution companies.... we're not expecting them to stock all their shelves with ONLY AMinal - SAW 1 lol but im sure its possible for them to sell stuff thats not from Sony (c) but anyways..... these are just ideas for now no-ones putting down money yet |
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i must say, your math makes sense. sounds like a good idea. i reiterate though, you need to create a buzz if you want to sell copies (which is just to give money to the artists, i know), which means touring and promotion. promotion is pretty easy, the web is the audience anyway. touring is different, i think only jivver, quoth, gonzola, and a couple other people on this board have actually played live before (correct me if i'm wrong). |
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because britney's manager doesn't walk into the store peddling cd-r's of her album. |
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yes, build it by tiny steps, like marlowe said start maybe w/ personal connections thats the whole idea of everyone helping out sharing connections we wouldn't order like 100 000 000 copies.... THEN decide how to sell them:) we're not trying to make millions here, so we only go so far as we can, when we can, when we want |
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playing live can be integrated later on - altho at the moment that seems pretty unlikely - since we'd have to take time off work/school... ...but the promotion should be ok - find the hook and rip em apart ;) |
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as long as money is NOT our primary concern...... then we should be fine and not too dissapointable |
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well it's summer, i'm sure a short tour could be managed, and in the school year you could play on weekends. live performance is how 90% of bands and musicians gain a following, even in electronica. |
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just stand on a street corner and them them/sell them away. problem solved. |
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a penguin barker would be a great hook :D |
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I went to bed later then usual today up all night boarding up my windows and putting lip stick on my walls the sun goes down like a depressed man drowning in his bathtub I've got the cello tied up to my bed with dirty socks and I'm ready to fall asleep with my arms around it's neck I find comfort in music but the drums wont face my music so I broke my walkman on the pavement and walked away like a man wearing jogging shoes and a peace sing button there's misplaced streets signs and thats a metaphor but I can't find it the directions are obsolete and I'm a turned down stereo type that wont stop at a gas station and ask for assistance ......THE BARON HAS SPOKEN!!!!!1 |
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IM ON THIS SHIT! CURIOUS ABOUT ME/US?: http://www.zebox.com/mikro12/music http://www.geocities.com/mikro12records |
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:) im glad ur back, baron ur lyrics are wicked, as always |
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AMinal, thank you for the feed back !!!!THE BARON HAS SPOKEN!!!!!! |
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caption for baron's avatar: "YOU'RE NEXT!" |
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This sounds swell, but not swollen. Check this out. and i'll ask you all to keep a broad frame of mind as to how this does logistically compare with this thread. [cuz it does!] It is repless abandon. read the about section, and you'll see why this pertains [and it will save me writing] to this thread. it is something i started to eliminate the middle man. [i also did the site] it is a collective and is run based on teh same bits that you are all proposing. we are all extremely professional, and as a result, it pays our bills. this label idea has potential. and as many have stated, must be kept absolutely professional to be taken in any serious form. problems that i can see arising> age > who old are most of you? anyone under 22 will more than likely not be taken seriously, so they would not handle PR location > RA members are all over ontario and quebec, so we never speak in person, but our dollar is the same. with a global market and participants things like shipping and payment could get ratehr iffy. media > with RA we do a quarter annual mass mailing to 2000 potential clientsacross north america. this is quite small, and as a result, our site only receives 200 hits a week. the cost of these mailings is quite sufficient [mind you we only have 14 members > and we plan to keep it small to control quality] this label would need some mad media some how, major promotion and that is where it may get tricky. i'm a graphic designer, and could easily do some whack shit to get noticed, but unless we have a method of promoting it, it's a waste, and will go unheard of. quality > this is a rather large issue if we are to be taken seriously. the trax must be rather potent, otherwise the reputation [of even the smallest labels] will be shite, adn you will have no repeat customers/shop owners/distributor's/ whatever. repeat business is one of the most fundamental things in almost any industry! leadership > as grand as the whole all for one a |
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leadership > as grand as the whole all for one and one for all plan sounds [i am a firm believer in true communism!] it rarely works with large groups. in RA it is run by about half of us, and the others just do their thing and contribute their work and money. this does have serious advantages. the thing with an utopian style manner > sure peopel get there lot that they suit best > is that things usually fall apart at one seam and then the whole damn thing goes. remember you are only as strong as yr weakest link. my pros/solutions are in the following post... |
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skodt thanks a lot for ur info/tips/warnings, everything RA sounds really interesting..... im checking out ur site now |
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re: leadership my hunch is that not everyone will WANT to be a 'leader' in teh project..... those who want to take on responsabilities, and who are capable and responsible can do so.... but we'll work that out as it comes only a few would probably be dedicated enough to put that much effort in i dont think we would have to choose between like 50 applicants and choose one a team of people who are the most dedicated/interested/responsible sounds good...... like what ur RA has |
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pros> body of work > there is a consistent theme of IDM/electronic music from a whole whack of people all over teh world. we know where this stuff should 'live' and we can compile quite a list of places to approach. publicity > we all obviously have access to the internet and can spam the fuhk out of the planet! also word of mouth in something this enormous generates a hell of a lot of response as it is! it just has to be approached intellectually! it is all six degrees of seperation, remember that cuz it is true! connections > as stated, people know people, and just as file sharing goes, we can use those same resources as an inverse publicity method. also, as a collaborative, we can draw from any 'industry contacts' we may already know. drive > you can't stop an avalanche! so we need to figure out the approach we need. -set up some restraints. -put a web site together. [to make money, the music should be streamed as opposed to d/l as mp3s] -get some contacts about pressing cds. [with our band it costs about $500 CAN for 1000 with 2 colour ink] -and about the art work being run [some CD pressing places offer this s a package with the CDs] -compile a list of possible targets. -come up with some kik ass branding. -a non-incriminating name -a list of all members interested adn what they can contribute > what skills [see SKILLZ thread] -a list of the members who have music that they would like to submit [submissions can be judged by the whole collective, that seems fair enough] see ARTISTS thread -compile a list of possible sources of funding [gov't, corps, but it must be donated as opposed to letting them have a say in what hte hell we want to do] i have to go so i am probably leaving some stuff out. feel free to email me with ideas, or keeping it all on here would prob be best. i'll be back tomorrow, and we can devise some sort of planning and somewhat of a small linear structure [hopefully!] L8ah |
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GOOD stuff, thanks skodt! (btw: that RA site looks amazing... very well done.. plus the art itself was cool ur own site is also great, and im listening to "red on teh cieling" right now... very good! hm..... sorry for all the flattery..... back to the topic: first of all: if ur interested, i nominate you as web design guy a friend of mine is also very good with flash and design stuff, i know he'd love to contribute as are a lot of people on the board... anyone who wants to please post ur support! btw...... about the name...... (i know this is too specific too early... but how bout.... VIRTUAL RECORDS ? |
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we need a place to talk and organise our ideas.. this board seems good! (heh) phobiazero: do u mind? bu tthe thing is threads can get long and cluttered and it can be hard to find info some sort of online scrapbook where we can keep the most important ideas and info always available is what we need if this is going to be truley co-operative |
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I think we should have a never ending thread that always stays in the main window so it is easily accesible to all members at any time. |
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yes, but for important info and agreed-upon ideas and stuff like whos really involved and shit... we need some sort of permanent, non changing, less confusing place if someone just made a simple, text webpage thats all im saying what do u think? |
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hhmm yes, simple is the name of the game in this situation.....maybe someone could gather up all the info and put it into a spreadsheet or something... |
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What information exactly? The ideas/suggestions? |
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