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Downloading. You are killing the (independant) record industry. GO OUT AND BUY YOUR RECORDS. there. see, its not always the newbies. |
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let people choose |
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are you joking? This looks like a parody.. |
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Theres too many of these threads! Pick one and stick with it! |
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This looks like an epidemic |
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Kill industry says I. Independent industry is still evil because industry is evil to begin with. Less evil, but evil nevertheless. |
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Haven't we already discussed this subject to death.... look at those threads (& maybe, oh the humanity, read em) & I think you'll get a good picture of the peoples thoughts, both pro & against... Theres a fair amount of flaming in there but some interesting ideas as well... |
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i'm sorry. It's just the way i feel. i love you guys to death, but....i'd hate to see a label like Rephlex, Skam or Breakin goin down because of the internet. The majors pretend they are all worried, but whats a few million quid to them? keep on doin what u want. i apologise. |
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Ophecks has butt-fucked the whole record industry ;-) |
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Yeah! it's all Ophecks' foult! |
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whatcha talkin' about. i downloaded Endtroducing the other day and bought it 2-3 days l8er. Internet has helped me to make better decisions! |
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it's fair enough to feel that way...but as I said (probably about 10x) in the other threads, there are a ton of reasons why sales are down for the labels you mention... Blaming it on file sharing solely is overly-simplisitc, I feel... |
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+ ...CD prices here are very high. like 23-25$. So I make sure I buy good quality shit (using the internet helps) when I decide to buy something. If they lowered the price to lets say 15$ i would buy more. |
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I don't know someone brought it up already but here are the poll results from a few weeks ago: In what way have Soulseek and other P2P software changed your life? -I have discovered a lot of new music and are buying more records because of that! (136) 80 % -I actually buy less records than before... (33) 20 % Total votes: 169 Poll started at: 02-04-23 Author: Phobiazero |
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don't you see... they are not selling less records due to mp3 downloading... on the contrary - people are buying more records! a numerous of recent polls second this. those poor people who does not buy the records (due to p2p software) wouldn't have bought the records anyway... so it does not affect the market. if you like a specific release - then BUY it. if you dislike it - delete the files and no harm has been made. ;) the artists who never shows up in the "p2p software market" are the BIG losers IMO. they will remain unknown to the big mass. |
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It was good to see EMI squeal a few weeks ago. They had to 'let a few people go' due to poor sales. The thing is you know that the people they let go were probably low-rung posts. The fat cats stayed at the top. BAh, this topic really has been explored quite throughly yesterday. |
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word! |
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...and the third world war begun between the record companies and the mp3 defenders... an atrocious battle started between them, some people weren't hesitating to put their cds, tapes, laptop compters, etc. on fire and throw them into the crowd... a man threw a computer through a window, shouting that this computer belonged to an evil person who downloaded over 100 GBs of mp3s; the person in question cried and jumped through the window along with his computer... lots of people were injured, some extremists trying to crucify and/or torture people... it lasted 2 months between the record companies and the mp3 defenders, and as the records weren't selling any more, the artists hadn't got money any more, so they started fighting, both the record companies and the mp3 defenders... as the president of the RIAA were lynched, somebody ripped his head off and brandished it like a trophy, shouting like mad... the president of mtv declared "****, ****!!"... it turned into a blood bath, people were screaming, nobody could take it any longer... it all ended as a mentally deficient person dropped a huge bomb on L.A.; millions of people died, the record industry were completely dead, and so were hundreds of artists. people should learn to live without music or make their own now. |
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I bought 4 BoC releases as a result of DLing them first, as well as Lovage Music to make love to your old lady to. The only CD I have on MP3, but really feel I should buy a copy of is Portishead: Dummy. So, 5-1 the industry in general has benfited from me DLing... |
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Then is it just a coincidence that recordsales are lowering eversince filesharing got really big? ;-) It is simply a fact that I know many people who used to buy lots of records, but nowadays they just download everything they want to hear. (and DON'T also buy the cd later on). Which is just stealing in my opinion... downloading an entire album is no better than going out to a recordstore and let the cd slide unnoticed in your pocket. (in fact, stealing from a recordstore is probably even better ;-) That way the artist has already received his percentage, and it's just the industry that loses money). And yes, of course CD's are way too expensive. They're even more expensive than they were when cd's were introduced in the 80's... and at that point the industry actually said prices would lower if cd's became popular... lying bastards. But still that's no excuse to download the music instead. Whether you like it or not, most MP3's are illegal... it says on almost every cd: "copying prohibited... etc." |
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Phob: couldn't agree more... Uzim: what ya saying, mate?... ----------------------------------------------- And can I just add...my theory for why IDM sales are down... Before MP3s, people would buy stuff from Warp, Rephlex, mu etc, without hearing em...and people inevitably ended up with records they didn't like on occasion... Now we've got MP3s and can check tunes out before buying, we don't get stung like that...if it's something we don't like, we simply don't buy... Basically what's happening is that people arn't buying CDs they don't like anymore...and that's what's affecting sales... I kinda feel that's the tatty truth that these labels don't want you to know & so they point the finger at file sharing.... It would be very interesting to see what happened to their sales if they got their way and file sharing went back "underground".... |
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That is definately true for me, but I have one friend in particular who has no interest in actually buying music. He never did. He would always ponce off people when cassettes were the medium of choice. It is a personality thing. To be honest I think as a music lover I feel a responsability to the artists, so I buy thier music. Soem people will always copy/dl stuff. |
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we've had a furious couple of days here, eh? |
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well there are probably alot of people who do indeed use MP3's just to discover new music, and if they like it they go out and also buy the CD. Nothing wrong with that. And also the limited edition-stuff, which isn't avaiable in any store... there is no harm in downloading those either. But there are also lots of people who download everything (also the widely avaiable albums), and love it, and still they refuse to pay for those CD's. And I'm sorry, but that is just totally unfair towards the artist. I reckon there won't be too many of those people on this board... people who post on an aphextwin-messageboard so often are probably the hardcore fans who just want to have everything anyway... But there is no denying that filesharing is a huge problem for the recordindustry/artistst |
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Industry is not a necessary evil, we just got so used to it but music can exist without it anyway. |
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What everyone needs to remember is that music is not, in essence, property. It is only the format that becomes a form of persoanl property. Music does not belong to anyone and it should be shared with no cost to individuals. Its just a shame that we live under capitalism and that artists and consumers are bound to a system of exploitation. CHILDREN HAVE THE RIGHT TO MUSIC |
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hear hear!!! |
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We all have our opinions, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Or maybe there is no truth for everyone because everyone is different... We're all dealing with the new technology in our own way and judging eachother won't help. Everyone knows the counterarguments so it's no use going around in circles. |
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No, no, enough of this rational talk, let's fight to death. |
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yeah...it's been a little heated but some fine thinking going on so it's all good... On the subject of CD sales: They are down this year...by 5%...which is pretty much as you'd expect, we're in a recession... Now if file sharing was killing CD sales, wouldn't that figure be vastly more than that?... Also, estimates suggest that the number of downloads is around 5 (yes FIVE) times that of CD Sales...so for every CD sold, 5 are downloaded...if you think file sharing is killing music then surely that kind of level of dling would have demolished CD sales...but no, they are down just 5% as I said... Check these 2 links for where I'm getting these figure from (and a far better explanation of them...).. http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1365 .... .... |
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that first link s/b .... |
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Fuck, jand, you're really doing a thorough research, aren't you. Respect, mate. My own opinion is I guess already clear: the sooner the industry (not just music industry) dies, the better. |
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It's became a little too calm here since all those trolls got banned... |
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"It's became" = "It's become" |
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first, let me say i have a lot of respect for you phobiazero, but i'm sorry i have to disagree with your comment on the previous page. the statistics for the US and germany (two of the main countries now predominantly on broad-band cable connections) show that cd sales have dropped dramatically over the past 24 months. and as pointed out before, it's actually the smaller independent labels who suffer first in this scenario. |
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but why has it dropped? expensive cd's or p2p? ;) |
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i work within the music industry, and it's generally accepted that p2p file-sharing is causing the recent (huge) net loss of sales. |
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Or just the bad economy... or the crappy music... |
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The thing people forget is that not that many people have access to the internet. Its only you rich bastards. But seriously, not that many people do and I'd say most don't dl that much music; most peeps are really incompetent when it comes to PCs, me included. |
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well, i still refer to my previous post, don't want to repeat myself all the time, and the fact that you're in the business yourself explains your opinion as well. :) |
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well, i work with one of your favourite labels. we have a modest staff, and the annual profit doesn't allow me to afford a car yet. there is a perception that independent labels are making huge amounts of money out of the buying public, but it's a complete myth. |
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core...you got any links? I hear a lot of hearsay bandied about but very little backing-up with figures...no suprise really, labels are notriously laspe at publishing sales... I worry when I see terms like "generally accepted"... When napster was about, CD sales went up...check this news story .... Can you pls explain that to me?... |
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You need to get organised Core. Form a union at work and go on strike for better wages. Forwards comrade. |
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Or start your own download for money service: at £2 per album with some added goodies, I guess you could make a hell of a lot of money and skip that difficult distro stage. |
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You entrepreneurial capitalist bastard Meho! |
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Jaron Lanier, a name that'll be familar to some of you Tech heads, has a great article from the New York Times over at ... interesting read...especially for musicians/artists... |
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Ahh, jonesy, I thought you weren't looking. Sorry for stabbing our cause in the back, I was just suggesting a natural solution to lengthen the agony a bit more before we beat the music industry corpse to death with our CDRs and swollen dicks (oops, where did that last one come from?) Jacque Attali had an interesting article in THE WIRE about this some 6-7 months ago, Jand, you probably remember that. |
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That article basically supports my last idea. (Wise, am I) |
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I have to paste part of it just for blind to gain sight: The reason the Recording Industry Association of America and the labels are pushing anti-piracy laws and technologies has nothing to do with preventing piracy. They're doing it so that they can control the new digital music channels. To keep anyone else, like you, from sharing the power. They're doing it to rip you off. Period. |
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independent labels aren't ripping anyone off. this argument is rubbish. |
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