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rob fragilenine from everywhere on 2001-07-16 07:52 [#00015362] | |||||||||
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On my version of NIN's The Downward Spiral, at the end of the track Hurt there is approximately 44 seconds of silence. Is there any hidden meaning to this? |
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m....MwMw wwW(m M m)Www wMwM....m on 2001-07-16 08:01 [#00015367] | |||||||||
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I think it was just the emotional state at the end, when he basically committed suicide, the silence was there to make a greater impact on the listener. That song is so depressing, the whole album is neurotic. That "god is dead" song is pretty seriously scary. |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-07-16 08:46 [#00015374] | |||||||||
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yeah that album is fucking amazing! I always loved it, i got it the day after it came out, yah back when. . . . . Oh wait.. you mean the first album, i was talking about the "further down the spiral" the remix album, that ones better in my opinion, check it out if you dont already, its FAR more fuct up, its the most distrubing NIN album to date! Has AFX doing 2 tracks! Awsome! But yes..... its for effect {the silence at the end} have you seen the video for hurt? thats what its like.... just.. that loud noise at the end, then dead silence... let your nerves do the rest >:D |
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rob fragilenine from everywhere on 2001-07-16 08:54 [#00015378] | |||||||||
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I have all of the official NIN albums + the Broken and Fixed eps. I agree they are all incredible... I like Broken's 90 tracks of silence, is that on the US version too? The version of Further Down The Spiral that I have is version 2. It only has 1 track by Aphex Twin. I've seen version 1, but I don't know if it's worth buying, it has basically the same tracks (except a few differences), but it comes in a nice shrinkwrap cover! I've also seen a 2 disc Closer pack, which contains part 1 and 2 of the Closer single. I've been thinking of buying that for a while... |
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leftrightronic on 2001-07-16 09:04 [#00015379] | |||||||||
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rob, i take it you know of the 2 hidden tracks all the way at the end of the broken cd. i just liked how 90 blank tracks or whatever was just thrown in there to prepare for the last songs. when i first listened to the whole thing im like cool this was good shit.. then i was laying down thinking the cd was over and a minute later 2 new tracks start up. cool shit |
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rob fragilenine from everywhere on 2001-07-16 09:09 [#00015381] | |||||||||
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Yeah, I know of the 2 secret tracks, from what I can remember they're called 'physical' and 'suck'... i think |
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Johnny Mnmenasm,saf on 2001-07-16 09:26 [#00015384] | |||||||||
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I tottaly agree, masturbating to that album is excellent |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-07-16 09:31 [#00015388] | |||||||||
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uhm yeah.... but seriously here..... yes NIN is awsome, and I have every single Halo {release} there is by them! except the 2 video package, I used to own it, but I sold it for some stupid reason a few years back. I don't know why. The closer remixes are great. >:D |
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RockHoward from Queretaro, Mexico on 2001-07-16 17:07 [#00015528] | |||||||||
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hmhm i cant wait for the new DVD/audio NIN´s release... "And all that could have been" sounds pretty good. |
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hevquip from an egren's coffee shop on 2001-07-16 17:13 [#00015530] | |||||||||
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aphex twin did do two tracks for further down the spiral. there is at the heart of it all, then he did part b for one of the songs after it (track 9 or 10). it sounds kind of out of place. has anyone seen the new video on t.v. for some song of the tomb raider soundtrack? isn't there supposed to be a new release coming out soon? |
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Barrett, Syd from Cambridge on 2001-07-16 17:22 [#00015534] | |||||||||
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The "character' in the "story" of the downward sprial does not kill himself. the last lines of the album are "I will find a way" it ends with a desprate gasp of hope. |
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rob fragilenine from everywhere on 2001-07-16 17:28 [#00015538] | |||||||||
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I've heard that The Fragile picks up where Hurt leaves off. In which way is this??? I think The Fragile is more 'happier' than The Downward Spiral... Maybe he's regaining hope? Maybe I'm looking too far into things? |
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m....MwMw wwW(m M m)Www wMwM....m on 2001-07-16 18:37 [#00015569] | |||||||||
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Barrett: incorrect. IF... I could start again, a million miles away, I would keep myself, I would find a way. Keyword: if, would He would need a complete life reboot to fix what was wrong, and he chose not to "keep himself" because he was unable to start again, at least in this life, maybe in the next reincarnation. I also have the further down the spiral. It's very good too, the backwards lyrics and everything. I like maralyn manson's antichrist superstar and Downloads Eyes of stanley pain for similar disturbing reasons. |
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The Constipator on 2001-07-16 20:18 [#00015583] | |||||||||
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I think the sum total of Trent Reznor's work can be summed up with one word: "Wah" Cheer up, Trent, you're making millions |
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Stone from Hell, U.S.A. on 2001-07-16 22:56 [#00015604] | |||||||||
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Rob: The Fragile picking up where TDS leaves off? I'm not sure, it could be interpretted as that I suppose. The Fragile is very depressing, but it is true that there is a small lining of hope to it...that theme seems to be the spine of the album, whereas the bitterness and anger and depression is the body. It seems more or less about a man going through a series of midlife crisis, yet ultimately not killing himself, unlike the younger man on TDS who does the deed...then again "The Great Below" could be a suicide attempt, but then there wouldn't be a second disc. :D There is definitely a coherent story line, at least on the first disc. It goes from anger (somewhat damaged), to melancholy (The day the whole...The frail), to bitterness (The Wretched), to hope (were in this together), to sadness (The Fragile), to depression (Even Deeper) then combining Anger Bitterness and Hope (No, You Don't) Then combining Sadness Melancholy and Depression (The Great Below) I didn't include the three instrumentals here (Just like you imagined, etc.) because those can be interpreted a billion different ways. This is the way I see the album. You are welcome to disagree. |
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Barrett, Syd from Cambridge on 2001-07-16 23:07 [#00015606] | |||||||||
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sorry, i had that wrong. yes. but at the same time, the character dosen't kill himself. i've heard and read trent saying that it ends with the character completely broken, but about to try to fix things.................. The Constipator - you're an idiot. we don't need to hear from you ever again. |
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Barrett, Syd from Cambridge on 2001-07-16 23:09 [#00015607] | |||||||||
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fragile isn't part of the same story of downward. it can make sense, that they're part of a story, but it wasn't intentional |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-07-16 23:46 [#00015619] | |||||||||
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hevquip: I have that video you are describing, i have it on my computer. you can have it if you wish. its .mpg format, its called "Deep'. Its pretty cool. >:D Ive been into NIN forever... so damn long. I remember when I got Pretty Hate Machine, and the Head LIke A Hole versions. |
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m....MwMw wwW(m M m)Www wMwM....m on 2001-07-17 07:38 [#00015698] | |||||||||
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I havn't even heard the fragile yet. |
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awt on 2001-12-22 00:22 [#00063415] | |||||||||
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im crying. You cant talk about HURT How can you ask a stupid question likke that. Just feel it please |
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teapot | xanpha from brisbane on 2001-12-22 02:15 [#00063424] | |||||||||
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get the Japanese 'Downward Spiral' it has the track 'Dead Souls' stuck in between 'Big Man With A Gun' and 'A Warm Place' its good stuff. The Fragile pisses all over everything ever except Confield. |
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digidogheadlock from under a rock on 2001-12-22 09:20 [#00063494] | |||||||||
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my fav nin CDs are fixed, broken, pretty hate machine and downward spiral.... i have all 1-6 halos and then 8, 10, 13 and 14... i just can't get into his newer stuff from perfect drug to his latest release of things falling apart... the fragile sounds kinda like pop muzick// i wouldn't mind seeing NIN/AFX live though... who would back up who? :P |
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schack from den haag on 2001-12-24 16:43 [#00063928] | |||||||||
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that's a cover from joy division isn't it? wonder how that is. also i've always wanted to express my loathing for 'man with a big gun' i initially found it so stupid, i've come to like it over the years. btw am i pleasantly suprised at just having discovered one of the best songs of nin is by aphex twin, it's one of those atmosperic songs that make 'further down..' so good; turns me on to aphex even more (i've only recently started my collection) |
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Jarworski from Wales on 2001-12-24 22:12 [#00063962] | |||||||||
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for another joy division cover, check out Karma To Burn's s/t debut Fuck, fuck the j/d cover, just listen to the rest of the album |
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Caserol Joe the Chubby on 2001-12-25 05:57 [#00063994] | |||||||||
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Is the hurt video the one with the live footage and the screen with crazy dark images? I was at the show that is featured. I was in seventh grade at the time. That show was incredible as far as I can remember. I got to meet Enigma of the jim rose circus, you may have seen this guy eating raw fish on the X-Files in an old episode, he has tattoos from toes to scalp. |
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JOB from St.JohnNewfoundland, Canada on 2001-12-25 07:20 [#00063998] | |||||||||
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so much blood for such a tiny hole problems to have solutions you know everythings blue in this world all fuzzy ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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Naphex-Male from Vancouver, B.C. Canada on 2001-12-25 08:34 [#00064002] | |||||||||
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Pretty Hate Machine is the best album by NIN....but I am strange. |
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LtAirComStarscream from NY on 2001-12-25 10:39 [#00064004] | |||||||||
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anyone see that video they were suppose to release but never did of a guy cutting up another guy then having sex with his dieing body. I saw it its fucked up. i think its called the broken tapes or something. it has clips of the murdering in between videos by nin. |
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awt on 2002-01-09 11:34 [#00067633] | |||||||||
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oh i recenlty got a new song (andallthatcouldhavebeen) from the still cd. The song is great really nineinchnailsy. One of their best song i would say |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-09 19:22 [#00067769] | |||||||||
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just to clarify, there isn't "40 seconds of silence" at the end of hurt. it's feedback that sounds a little like wind blowing. but they were right about the purpose it served. as for "dead souls" that is a wonderful nin cover of joy division off of the crow (first) soundtrack. recommended. that's a great cd too. as for the new song "and all that could have been" i heard it's a masterpiece. but i'm not downloading it yet, i'm gonna wait till the 22nd. but if you want to hear it, go to: http://www.cereboso.com/nin/AATCHB.mp3 |
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nancykitten on 2002-01-09 19:41 [#00067771] | |||||||||
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god i love the downward spiral. its an obsorbing, tense, dramatic, sombre, dark piece of electronic emotion. reptile and ruiner are probably my fav highlights. |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-09 19:51 [#00067772] | |||||||||
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me too, nancykitten. TDS was my fave album till radiohead came out with ok computer. it was #2 till trent came back with the fragile =) i'm sorry, i imagine you disagree but that is trent's finest hour (and fourty-four minutes). it's a flawless record and much more sonically interesting than TDS, which i didn't think could ever be possible. i couldn't listen to TDS for 2 years after the fragile came out cos it just sounded like shit in comparison. i listened to TDS again tho recently and i love it once more. my favorite tracks: -piggy -i do not want this -hurt -the downward spiral but they're ALL wonderful. heresy skips on my cd, but, to be truthful, heresy, mr. self-destruct, and reptile don't do much for me anymore (post-the fragile). since may of 2000 i've been in the process of planning and mixing a massive 80 minute NIN remix cd project, blending lots of different parts of songs together. |
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nancykitten on 2002-01-09 21:07 [#00067799] | |||||||||
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The Fragile is brilliant also : ) |
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If you're a fan of this album you owe it to yourself check out the demos on the deluxe edition I'd wager that Brittney Spears wrote better demos lol... somehow the finished tracks transcended the Brittney paradigm though uhh |
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the downward spiral is still on my top five albums fing after god knows how many years. i purchased a prophet vs on the advice of captain reznor, though i didn't have the balls to leave it in the backseat of my car with the windows cracked. |
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T. Reznor liked writing piano riffs on his K2000 and smearing mascara all over his face while his band mates supposedly exploited "his" celebrity/stardom |
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threads from 2001 about nin make me happy. bring on a full length, HOW to destroy angels. or that new NIN release (of course he will tour again) MR.SELF DESTRUCT. |
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someone working his dressing room backstage should swap out his evian bottles with vodka for a laugh. you'd probably get his best on-stage performance since, like, 2003 |
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ok. there's ONE thing i want you all to do. i want you to sit down, take a deep breath and ADMIT THAT YOU'RE A BUNCH OF FUCKIN LOSERS. |
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way ahead of you. after the initial emotional gut-punch of it, it becomes quite liberating. you no longer have to give a shit, and can finally do what you want. |
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