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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-06-06 19:46 [#00253036]
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Okay lemme explain a few things first before all the hardcore autechre fans start wailing on me...
I just got Tri Repete ++ and The Private Press yesterday.
I also own Endtroducing and Incunabula.
Now Autechre is good, when compared to the entire music scene (mtv, radio, etc...) as is Dj Shadow.
Now Autechre has some very interesting ideas, and they have access to a lot of cool sound machines. However there are two things that bother me: Their song structures and their inability to hold on to my attention.
If they could focus on this more than their 'sounds' Autechre could be A++.
Right now I'm enjoying The Private Press more than Tri Repetee, but I honestly cant explain why. I think Autechre is 'missing something' from their music...
Question: Are they more about the 'dancing' than listening?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-06 19:50 [#00253047]
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well, im not a diehard autechre fan... i would like to get more of thier cds, but i always end up finding something else i rather buy.
They are great for zoning out, IMO, like when i am going to bed, i turn them on, and let myself get lost. (its mp3s, i dont know which album i have)
dj shadow is AMAZING IMO, i love it. he does so much with so little.
however, you cant really compare them i think, cause its so far apart. Autechre is experimental IDM, where as Dj Shadow is hip hop/trip hop.
So i dunno.
I love Dj Shadow, and Id like to hear more from Autechre...
-Zeus
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-06-06 19:51 [#00253048]
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apples and oranges, but i'd rather listen to dj shadow. all 3 of them are musical geniuses, but i never confuse a dj shadow song - NEVER. autechre i'd be hard fucking pressed to tell you what song i'm listening to a lot of the times, and sometimes i can't even tell what album it's on. "switch up your flow nigga, your sound is garbage." that's jay-z on nas. the same pretty much applies to autechre, as much as i love them (i'm even wearing my autechre t-shirt from the confield tour). they need to switch up their style. they've been most successful at that on tri repetae++, amber, and lp5. but chiastic slide, for example, fuck, it all sounds the same to me man.
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Crocomire
from plante (United States) on 2002-06-06 19:51 [#00253049]
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i'd say Autechre are more about the listening than dancing, although i can dance a phat jig to Confield. at their concerts the audience is standing still listening.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-06-06 19:54 [#00253053]
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Yes I agree you cant compare the two because they are totally different from each other.
But everyone tells me how bad-ass AE is but I just cant seem to get into them.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-06 19:55 [#00253054]
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man
ok, i am now listening to "The private press" and im going insane.
I havnt been this happy listening to music since... since i dont know. Awhile.
the first song is just so good.
Ah
-Zeus
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-06 20:00 [#00253059]
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"im a bad (bad) mother fucking dj, thats why i walk and talk this way"
hahah
great
-Zeus
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-06 20:12 [#00253088]
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It's the opposite for me, I just can't get into DJ Shadow, even though he IS really good... the whole ''DJ'' thing turns me off.
AE just takes me to another plain of conciousness or something... some of their stuff is a bit drab, but when they hit the mark, they REALLY hit it.
But I wish they'd shorten their tracks, sometimes it just loses my attention.
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-06-06 20:14 [#00253090]
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lentic catachresis!!!
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Crocomire
from plante (United States) on 2002-06-06 20:20 [#00253104]
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yea no kidding Ophecks, Autechre are Zen archers that way.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-06 20:31 [#00253131]
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Autechre are from other planets and talk with different frequencies. The voice you hear them speak with now is a manipulated voice controlled with a modulator in their throat.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-06 20:32 [#00253134]
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I know this to because they told me lol ;)
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2002-06-06 20:37 [#00253140]
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Autechre sweet Autechre
I don't know why, I agree it's a bit of Apples and Oranges but Autechre explore something new with every release. No one had conceived of anything like Confield before Autechre. They're the kings.
As for DJ Shadow his music is extremely well done but it's not mindblowing. At least not for me.
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2002-06-06 20:38 [#00253144]
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Oh yeah and if I hear the opening track from Endtroducing one more time, I'm gonna barf!
That track has been overplayed to death by every college kid from here to Tiajuana.
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-06-06 20:39 [#00253145]
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i agree, AE rules!!
(this is the part when "all the hardcore autechre fans start wailing":)
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-06-06 20:42 [#00253154]
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Who's your favorite Dj savior?
Okay still no-one has shown me why autechre is "awesome".
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-06-06 20:58 [#00253180]
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weatherstoner, listen to 'lentic catachresis' from confield
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Crocomire
from plante (United States) on 2002-06-06 21:07 [#00253194]
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yea, then listen to the rest of Confield, it's most advanced of all music right now at least i think so. Autechre are pioneers; they bring things from the edge that you would have never thought of and they make it sound awesome!
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-06 21:08 [#00253198]
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ae
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-06-06 21:44 [#00253234]
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ae got so much more skills imo! dj shadow is ok, but definitely cant compare to ae.
the problem with ae is it takes an awful lot of listening to their albums before all of it hits ou right in the face. ae are in another league.
another thing. ae has like 20 releases. how many does dj shadow have? at least 2 that i know of. you cant compare such unequal artists imo...
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-06-06 21:48 [#00253240]
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4 full lengths: endtroducing pre-emptive strike unkle: psyence fiction the private press
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-06 22:03 [#00253261]
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quality, not quantity my friends...
-Zeus
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-06 22:14 [#00253283]
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im listening to "entroducing" now. its kicking ass. ill listen to some AE in a bit, and come back with an opinion. but so far dj shadow is way ahead
-Zeus
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-06-06 22:32 [#00253295]
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How come I can grasp such crazyness like Aphex Twin, µ-Ziq, Squarepusher... but AE seems to slip from my grasp.
I'm sitting here listening to some songs and they get boring after a while. I have to skip to the next track.
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-06-06 22:41 [#00253303]
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quality AND quantity, not just quality my friends ;)
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-06-06 22:43 [#00253307]
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another thing id like to add:
most people who are now converted ae fans did not really like, or hated even, ae when they first started to listen to their material (me included). therefore, a lot of people give up on them pretty quick. it's a long term commitment i tell ya!
;)
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-06-06 23:32 [#00253379]
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their older material is more accessible tho
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-06 23:37 [#00253386]
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They are completely different, I wouldn't bother thinking about them even in vaguely the same way
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2002-06-07 00:11 [#00253439]
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If one must compare the two I would submit that:
LP5 is a better album cover to cover than any of DJ Shadow's
Maphive 6.1 is a better track than anything Shadow has done.
But after all it's just a matter of taste.
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maxx_damage
from La Paz (Bolivia) on 2002-06-07 00:24 [#00253468]
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U.N.K.L.E. is not only Dj shadow, there were a lot of brains in that beautiful and perfect album.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-06-07 00:38 [#00253493]
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How can their song structures bother you? Each song has a different structure, you must be bothered alot when you are listening to them.
But what else would they focus on?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-06-07 00:58 [#00253520]
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u.n.k.l.e. is dj shadow and james lavelle (if you heard mike d's track)
and seriously, you can't compare these two. they're completely different. that's like saying which is more refreshing, napkins, or cement?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-06-07 00:59 [#00253525]
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cortex: much of IDM is an aquired taste :D
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nacmat
on 2002-06-07 01:01 [#00253526]
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I love both but prefer autechre
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J and The B
from Chesterland, Ohio (United States) on 2002-06-07 01:46 [#00253601]
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autechre is definitely for listening and its fun in the car but a lot of times I just want to dance. IDM is frustrating that way, becuz a lot of times it isn't intelligent dance music its just intelligent electronic music.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-07 01:49 [#00253610]
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yeah, Autechre takes time... although with me, I bought Incunabula first, loved it immediately, then when I bought Chiastic Slide it took a bit longer to get into, but once I did I was hooked... just give em some time!!
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-06-07 02:44 [#00253708]
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unkle 'psyence fiction' was all dj shadow, the only thing lavelle did was bring in all the guests except kool g rap (shadow's pick) and promote it. any other era of unkle, however, is james lavelle's doing - past and present.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-07-04 19:05 [#00296790]
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I just bought The Private Press yesterday, and Endtroducing is amazing... and well, right now I like DJ Shadow more... I do really like Autechre, but sometimes, too often I guess, I get bored with them... I can appreciate experimentalism sure... everyone wants their favorite artists to experiment and change... but I think sometimes Autechre focus too much on the experimental... DJ Shadow just makes beautiful, funky music that is a combo of so many different styles all rolled up to form this hip-hop music, or trip-hop... how could you not like that?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-04 19:10 [#00296795]
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well said
i love autechre for thier experimentalism
but i love Dj Shadow for his soul
although i have been listening to alot of Autechre as of late...
its a toss up...
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mccabe
from fuck knows .......I`m lost !!! on 2002-07-04 19:12 [#00296797]
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I`m not even going to bother with this stupid topic.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-07-04 19:12 [#00296798]
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you can't really compare the music, but you can pick who you like personally better... and that's really all these types of topics are asking... who do you like better? Well, right now I like DJ Shadow more...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-04 19:15 [#00296802]
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i guess if i really had to answer...
id say DJ shadow...
he was one of the first electronic musicians i heard... and after i heard him, i sold my drums and bought turntables (that didnt last long, but i sold them and bought a drum machine... which led me to writting music, which led me to go to Berklee and study music)
so dj shadow has had a big impact on my life...
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mccabe
from fuck knows .......I`m lost !!! on 2002-07-04 19:21 [#00296812]
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I`ve owned the private press for over a month,and,well,it gets boring after a while-I only go back to it to listen to giving up the ghost/6 days/mongrel meets his maker & you cant go home again,and even these get a little boring-much preffered the unkle album[might buy endtroducing as i seen it for a fiver].but you cant compare these 2 artists-chalk&cheese
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-04 19:22 [#00296813]
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5 bucks?!!?!?!
fuck man get it!
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mccabe
from fuck knows .......I`m lost !!! on 2002-07-04 19:33 [#00296830]
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might do Kcinsu I`ve listened to your songs now,deucalion & contemplations on a riddle are really good songs--wasnt to keen on faith--keep us poted on new songs as you have got a lot of talent[even my mum liked deucalion]
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-04 19:35 [#00296833]
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thanks man!
:)
mother approved :)
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-04 19:37 [#00296836]
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i was just about to complain about how these two are completely different when i realized i already did, long ago.
i need to get the shadow/cut chemist mix tapes... i hear brainfreeze is way better than product placement
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mccabe
from fuck knows .......I`m lost !!! on 2002-07-04 19:37 [#00296837]
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Thought you might liked to hear that.....
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-07-04 21:35 [#00296954]
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This is like comparing beans & rice.
Or rice + cake, or something. It's two different types of sound for crying out loud!!
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-04 22:24 [#00297016]
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monkeys or amoebas?
this is getting stupid...how about comparing thingwith even remote comparibility...
how about
Ae VS Richard Devine
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