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offline nacmat on 2002-06-03 23:39 [#00248403]
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these are some artists I have in my collection that do some
kind of electronic music, but not idm, and I wonder
what do you think about:

chemical brothers
leftfield
underworld
moby
red snapper
goldie
ian pooley
fatboyslim
fila brazilia
k&D
primal scream
beck
bjork
leila
massive attack
tricky
portishead
dj shadow
terranova
roni size
prodigy



 

offline IronLung from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2002-06-03 23:44 [#00248407]
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there are definately some VERY good artists there my
man...In fact the only ones I do NOT like outta the list
personally are:
red snapper
primal scream
beck
terranova
leila

All others seem ok man...=)

All depends on what mood i am in...



 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-03 23:50 [#00248420]
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I'm not a fan of ANY of those artists! I can tolerate Beck,
and DJ Shadow is pretty good, but overall, pretty crappy
list. :-p

Bjork, though... I'm going to listen to her stuff this week,
and maybe I'll be a fan... but I haven't liked what I've
heard so far.


 

offline erik_swanen from oosterhout (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-03 23:52 [#00248422]
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underworld
moby are very okay
prodigy at lowlands last year sucked big time.


 

offline IronLung from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2002-06-03 23:53 [#00248423]
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Yeah BECK is absolute SHIT...ALL of his stuff....I never
could get over the fact that Richard actually associated
himself with ANY of that guys "Hick-Hop, Crap"

=)


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-03 23:54 [#00248424]
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I would have to second that


 

offline nacmat on 2002-06-03 23:59 [#00248429]
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it is not all that I have, just a list of artists that
sometimes I ve read in this MB, they do different styles
around electronic music and I know that many of them are not
very popular here, not even for me, now that I have "grown
up" in my music likings, but I just wanted to compare your
opinions with mine.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2002-06-04 00:05 [#00248436]
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I'm a big fan of Bjork, Tricky, Massive Attack, and
Portishead. I like the old Underworld, just haven't listened
to anything new. Some of Moby's stuff is alright, but I
haven't listened to very much of it.


 

offline Asche XL on 2002-06-04 00:07 [#00248438]
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This is what I like out of your selection ( that i know
about):

chemical brothers
leftfield
underworld
moby
beck
massive attack
portishead
roni size
prodigy



 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-06-04 00:11 [#00248440]
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Heres the run down.

chemical brothers ( OK )
leftfield (never heard of them)
underworld (never heard)
moby (sucks)
red snapper (never heard)
goldie (never heard)
ian pooley (never heard)
fatboyslim (sucks)
fila brazilia (never heard)
k&D (never heard)
primal scream (VERY GOOD. Props to you for listing this)
beck (Beck is good, despite what people say)
bjork (also good)
leila (never heard)
massive attack (ok)
tricky (Little too crazy for me)
portishead (good)
dj shadow (excellent)
terranova (haven't heard)
roni size (never heard)
prodigy ( very good )



 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2002-06-04 00:16 [#00248443]
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i also have all of that except for primal scream
and i like pretty much all of them
i see u have leila which i think is pretty unknown
i have their courtesy of choice and i like that album a lot



 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 00:31 [#00248462]
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ok, ive heard OF almost all of these people, and actually
heard.... hm.. most of them i guess

chemical brothers (not really... a FEW (and i mean few)
songs are alright i guess)
leftfield (never heard)
underworld (ya.... i used to like them more though)
moby (ugh.... no, NO, NO!! well, just porcelin)
red snapper (never heard them, though i should)
goldie (alright... for dance music that is)
ian pooley (haven't heard)
fatboyslim (no, way to poppy sounding for me)
fila brazilia (never heard)
k&D (never heard..... unless it stands for someone who i
HAVE heard of)
primal scream (heard of them..)
beck (some of his earlier (well, NOT new) stuff is alright)
bjork (YA! under-rated imo. VERY under-rated! her music is
surprisingly original and.. well, great.... she IS
alternative)
leila (only heard OF them)
massive attack (nonono.... see fatboy)
tricky (only heard a bit... alright i guess (haven't heard
enough to judge)
portishead (i like a few of their songs.. but i haven't
heard much)
dj shadow (hm.. not really. no, not really)
terranova (not heard of them)
roni size (alright in terms of jungle... but then, its still
only dance music)
prodigy (one of my steping stones electronic music and
eventually 'idm'. i used to like them way more. now that ive
heard autechre, afx, []pusher.. prodigy just sound boring
and simple in comparison. i dont mind them though)

but enough from me..... what do YOU think, Nacmat?!?!?!


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 00:34 [#00248467]
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about those jungle/drumnbass people (goldie, roni
size)...... its alright, i dont mind it, andi listen to it
occasionally
(pretty rarely these days, and only for like 1 song at a
time)

also.... i cant listen to them the way i listen to "idm"
artists.... its just to repetative and boring.. it IS dance
music afterall
its just background music for me... while doing math
homework (hence the "rarely" part.... lol!) for example


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-06-04 00:35 [#00248468]
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Beck's 'Odelay' is a damn good album..

I like Bjork too..


 

offline diastole1 from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-04 00:38 [#00248470]
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i can't say that i have all of theose, but some of them in
my collection, the most cd's of any one artist i have in my
collection are...'autechre', afx twin, plastikman, plaid,
pixies, p.j.harvey, lots more warp artists, led zeppelin,
the beatles....woooooo, hmmmmmm


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 00:45 [#00248479]
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being from north america, i have had all this crp shoved
down my throat since it's conception years and years ago.
i'm sure anyone form Kanada or the US can sympathise.
i have most of those artists in my collection [although now
they are xtremely dusty] because they did something original
at one point in their career.
some of that stuff is good, but most of it is extremely
limited in it's creative approach.
if you want to call that style in it's defense then so be
it, but why bother to release the same thing over and over
again?

take björk, for example.
she has done some kewl stuff, but if you check out who is
actually behind most of this stuff, it's current
'underground' artists.
her contibution is mainly vocals with some bits here and
there, but how many times can she sing the same way in a
song, yet get a highly talented individual to write an
amazing backdrop?

portishead dropped off the planet because they came out with
a stellar ground breaking first album and then followed it
up with what sounded like b-sides from the first.

this leads me to believe that either marketing controls a
lot of the artists or the artists loose the focal point of
their creative energy somewhere along the line.

q or cs?

knell.ca-elektronik musik



 

offline BaronVonPickleF from United States on 2002-06-04 01:03 [#00248492]
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I feel that Apple Jaxx are better then smax and I have
fifteen reasons why !!!!!THE BARON HAS SPOKEN!!!!


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-06-04 02:36 [#00248594]
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i can't believe you think bjork just sings over trendy
underground artist's music, proves how little you know about
bjork


 

offline ExHore from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-06-04 02:43 [#00248605]
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bjork is awesome


 

offline ExHore from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-06-04 02:44 [#00248606]
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For any (idiot) who hasnt heard Bjork, check out the
Homogenic album, its soooo idm-like


 

offline J and The B from Chesterland, Ohio (United States) on 2002-06-04 03:02 [#00248637]
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goldie and roni size are awesome... I love dnb and
portishead is depressing but cool... chemical brothers is
just cool fun stuff... dj shadow is sweet... bjork is ok...
can't stand fatboyslim and moby though... filia brazilia =
cool


 

offline corn_mouth from santiago (Chile) on 2002-06-04 04:12 [#00248688]
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red snapper
fila brazillia
k&d
dj shadow
roni size

all of the above are excellent in my opinion
(what about Tosca, Peace Orchestra and the Cinematic
Orchestra???)


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 05:53 [#00248780]
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actually, i've been listening to björk for the better part
of 11 years now.
have all her albums.
her father was a composer, and as such she was classically
trained.
she approaches 'trendy' musicians , as you say, for she
respects their approach to music as something she could not
achieve.
she has approached afx, amongst others many times, who have
declined her offers.
take a guess as to why!

if you actually listen to her song construction and vocal
scales/melodies you will hear that they are repeated through
several songs on many different occasions.
much the same way trent reznor of NIN recreates his
orchestral elements in his own compositions, although she is
nowhere near as sophisticated, nor individualistic.
björk actaully has 'recruiters' who work at music stores
who listen to all the 'underground' artists and they inform
her/send her copies of who is up and coming.

it's not that there is anything wrong with this approach.
take david bowie for example.
he would come into the studio for every album and hand brian
eno a stack of albums and say, 'i want to sound like this'.
the difference between david bowie and björk and what makes
him great, is that he evolves, completely changing and
growing, no matter where he takes his sound, he asimilates
and adapts.
what is sad about björk is that she has so much potential,
yet she is still singing the same way on vespertine as she
did on post and even before when she sang with the sugar
cubes.
i will continue to pick up her albums in the hopes that
perhaps some day she will come to that realization.

/s

knell.ca-elektronik musik


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-06-04 06:02 [#00248794]
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she composed all the music on selmasongs, she has production
credits on her albums but debut, and there's a whole mess of
keyboards and drum machine programming credits to her on all
her albums. that's hardly just vocals and "some bits" like
you claim. to the best of my recollection, there's only one
song on vespertine that she didn't practically write herself
- and that's 'heirloom' which is essentially her singing
over the ensemble original.

and i disagree with you, i think her singing on vespertine
is very different than on all her previous albums. it's more
subdued and mature. but you're right, she does repeat a lot
of chord progressions in her songs and she does repeat her
best vocal tricks. but really if she didn't use them it
wouldn't be the same. it's that point where her voice
reaches the apex of emotion that really makes the song
amazing. i'm glad you're informed about bjork but i disagree
on some of your cardinal assertions.


 

offline nacmat on 2002-06-04 11:09 [#00248995]
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tosca and peace orchestra are kruder and dorfmeister´s
separated projects, I have them but didnt mention as I wrote
K&D


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 15:15 [#00249404]
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i wouldn't call them cardinal.
i read a lot.
i just told you what she herself said about her own song
writing and reasons for using other artists.

inever said she wasn't talented.
liner notes are deceiving though.
they never tell you how much of what the person did.
you'd be surprised how much a producer does that is credited
to the artist.

thanks for your thoughts!

knell.ca-elektronik musik
let me know what you think!


 

offline supreme from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-06-04 15:23 [#00249412]
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my (short ) opinion on some of these groups:

primal scream
beck
Bjork
fatboyslim
chemical brothers
leftfield
underworld (these are absolutely
awesome!)

moby (I don't like the fact that 18 sounds like a copy of
play. but he's okay.)

red snapper (don't really know enough for giving an
opinion)

massive attack
tricky
portishead (exellent!)

roni size (exellent party-material!)

prodigy (Their early work is fantastic,but their recent work
suxx)


 

offline hepburnenthorpe from sydney (Australia) on 2002-06-04 15:29 [#00249422]
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my rundown

chemical brothers (ok...i like a few tunes)
leftfield (love these guys...good choice)
underworld (love these guys too)
moby (not a fan)
red snapper (good)
goldie (only have 1 album...ok)
ian pooley (never heard)
fatboyslim (sux)
fila brazilia (never heard)
k&D (never heard)
primal scream (not a fan)
beck (love this guy)
bjork (well, shes been a fav for a while...good choice)
leila (never heard)
massive attack (very good)
tricky (good...not a huge fan)
portishead (love this stuff, if im in the mood)
dj shadow (not a fan)
terranova (never heard)
roni size (some stuff is ok)
prodigy (like a few tunes...not really my thing)

anyway, thats just my opinion so.

nice collection overall.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-04 15:39 [#00249431]
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chemical brothers ---good
leftfield ---???
underworld -----great
moby ----wonderful
red snapper ---???
goldie ----i only like 1 song of theirs
ian pooley ----????
fatboyslim ---sucks
fila brazilia ----???
k&D ----?
primal scream----sucks
beck ----good
bjork ----shes sexy
leila ----????
massive attack ---sucks
tricky ---sucks
portishead ---sucks
dj shadow ----sucks
terranova ---???
roni size ---great
prodigy ---awesome !!!!


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 15:41 [#00249433]
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hepburn:you think fatboyslim sux!
no way!

guys, what are your thoughts on:

daft punk
spring heel jack
lamb
esthero
radiohead
NIN
David Bowie
st germaine

knell.ca-elektronik musik
let me know what you think!


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-04 15:48 [#00249447]
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daft punk ---sucks
spring heel jack ---???
lamb ---????
esthero ---????
radiohead ---sucks except for kid a, amnesiac, and the live
recordings
NIN ---THE BEST !!
David Bowie ---sucks
st germaine --???

knell.ca-elektronik musik
let me know what you think!----hehehehe



 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 15:56 [#00249461]
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i am knell.
my opinon is biased!
he he he
NIN RULEZ!!!!
can't believe you don't like bowie though!
him and trent teamed up for i'm afraid of americans.
fahkin can't get enough of that tune, and the outro!
wow.

spring heel jack- downtempo dnb
lamb-dnb styles with amazing vocals
esthero-same as above [kanadian too!]
st germaine-warm housish music
4hero-live dnb [i forgot to mention them]

knell.ca-elektronik musik
let me know what you think!


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-04 16:03 [#00249473]
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"i'm afraid of americans, im afraid i can help it"
"i'm afraid of americans, im afraid i can help it"
"i'm afraid of americans, im afraid i can help it"
"i'm afraid of americans, im afraid i can help it"
"i'm afraid of americans, im afraid i can help it"
"i'm afraid of americans, im afraid i can help it"
"i'm afraid of americans, im afraid i can help it"

i have that cd single here, im going to pop it in !!! the
ice-cube rapping is great


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 16:18 [#00249502]
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i couldn't find the single and it's out of print ={
i have the original from 'earthling' and the NIN DB
version.
it is a wicked tune!


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-04 16:22 [#00249514]
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yeah the cd single has ummmmmm 6 or 7 remixes, would ya want
me to record it onto tape for you? sorry i dont have a cd
burner :0(

if you do email me.......

im sure you have something id like :0)


 

offline Deathsmith from Brussels (Belgium) on 2002-06-04 16:22 [#00249515]
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UNDERWORLD RULE!
THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS RULE!
THE PRODIGY RULE!!!

AND BLOODY DAFT PUNK RULE!!!

Why is i that so many Aphex Twin fans hate electronic
artists that are just more popular and more commercially
palpable than Richard D. James?


 

offline jthm from in my garage (United States) on 2002-06-04 16:24 [#00249521]
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an opinion on what


 

offline jthm from in my garage (United States) on 2002-06-04 16:24 [#00249522]
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???


 

offline jthm from in my garage (United States) on 2002-06-04 16:26 [#00249528]
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huh



 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-04 16:26 [#00249529]
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chemical brothers
leftfield
underworld
moby
red snapper
goldie
ian pooley
fatboyslim
fila brazilia
k&D
primal scream
beck
bjork
leila
massive attack
tricky
portishead
dj shadow
terranova
roni size
prodigy

and

daft punk
spring heel jack
lamb
esthero
radiohead
NIN
David Bowie
st germaine



 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-04 16:30 [#00249540]
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i don't have a tape player anymore.
crumbs.
but if there is something you really need, and can't find,
and think i may have, let me now mang!
thanks for the generosity!


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-04 16:30 [#00249543]
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sure, what ya got? email me ok?

thad1us@yahoo.com

you dont have a tape player?


 


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