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Ok heres my grand theory about religion: All religions are the same. Theyre just manufactored from our minds. The more people that belive in one thing, the more does that thing become real. That concludes that even "the force" can be real if there's people enough to belive in it. All beliefe is in a balance between how many that belives in something and how many that isnt. Paranormal phenominons can also be explained in this way. It's all there, but still there is equal great part of people that doesnt belive in it. Therefor it doesnt appear as often. Comments? |
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so You think if many people believe in something it is getting real, or i get it in a wrong way? i find religion as a main problem in our world- we cannot remove it but think- if there was no religion all this wars and persecutions would not have taken place. but weak people need churches, rituals etc. it makes them stronger. |
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"so You think if many people believe in something it is getting real.." <- that's exactly what i mean... |
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I agree, the fact that there are thousands of people that dress up as jedi's and wookies just proves your point, the fact is that man created god not the other way round- man needs god, at least some men do, "religon is the opium for the masses" or something. I guess the thought of infinate blackness when you die or the impossibility of really knowing who we are and where we came from is too much for some people and they just pass the buck by attributing it all to "god" |
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I you grew up beliving in womething that was put in your mind, what would you do if people told you that it was a lie? |
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quite possible the bible and other holy books should only stand as examples of moral and unmoral behavior, and not be taken so literally. (maybe God is scoffing at people for believing someone could walk on water and what not) what if the holy bible was only meant to be literature. i sat in on a friend's class and the teacher was discussing the idea |
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I think God is a definition of thinking our self to a greater power. We can't control it cuz there are not that many that share the same oppinion. But if all people have same thought, the thoughts become real. |
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litterally getting real or getting real only in the heads of belivers? |
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I'll just say this: what is "real" for you? American pragmatists (a newschool wing of philosophy of which Richard Rorty is the most fmous member) define truth as "something the majority believes in". Note that the truth is defined by belief. So is reality, obviously. Nothing objective about it. Religion more so as it is based solely on belief (at least the christianity we are more or less most familliar with) and not on objective facts of any kind. Kant already said that God existed as an idea of human mind, decades before Nietzsche said God was dead. But, what does "exist" mean? The thing is real as much as you believe it's real. But that doesn't make it an objective fact. |
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i think the bible is a "How to behave good"-book, but unfortunatly not for this day and age |
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Large groups' individual members wouldn't just happen to think of the same bizarre religion independently. The phenomenon of human communication makes it possible for someone's little idea to become spread to everyone. |
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I don't think beliefes "exist" but more or less they manifest instead |
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think of bible as of book written by poor fishermen hundreds years ago, who wanted people to believe it is god/holy ghost speaking through them. it sounds funny. |
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I think that things that noone has an oppinion about can be controlled by the one person thinking about it |
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Origins of religon- the first holy men or shaman dervived their "power" from natural portents like earthquakes, lightening, and other natural phenomenon. by attributing these "events" to their "god" they gained status and power as wise men within their communities Religon=Power explains alot really.... |
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I think mashed potatoes speak through ghosts. |
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but they manifested theyr God through peoples belaf, so it proofs my theory. right? |
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yeah, there was a section of time with priest-kings or someting, I rofget what i read |
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...and the other way around could be a great mess |
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your theory would only be good for snarkle bait. |
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So am i right? does people create theire own religion/belief and make it real by getting more people with the same thought? |
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if that is true, then i'm making a religion right now, am i not? |
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You'll catch a wooly snarkle with that theory if you set the trap right. |
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"make it real"- i dont know... they're not creating god in a material point of viev they're making people believe in some moral values. |
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but if people belive that theyre belief will manifest itself by believing in it, will it then be real? |
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the point with "making" religion or something is the transcendence. The fact that you move beyond body/ mind frame, you move into area of spirit (whatever that might be), beyond mere rationality/ emotion. This is what religion/ spirituality is about, it's not about objective existence or mere moral propositions. |
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But Meho, if man sees a flaming bush that talks, they will belive in what the flaming bush is saying right? |
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the amount of believers is not the reason of miracles appearing. |
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junkie: not necessarily: maybe they have their own religion that says "don't believe anything flaming bushes ever say". I mean, christianity was not created on a blank board, right? Romans had very developed polytheistic religion, right? Christianity was a big success because Roman religion championed strength and beauty and then nascent christianity championed salvation through suffering, modesty etc. so it was a religion of slaves/ servants originally. Instead of fighting, hundreds of christians were happy to die as martyrs. But of course, others were mocking them etc... |
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why not.... How do you know? because it's not your belief right? |
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I have been a christian my self...and i have seen miracles. The reasen I'm not a christian anymore could be: 1. the people in that church was acting like obsessed maniacs and it starting to freak me out. 2. i started doing drugs again |
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junkie: you confuse me now. What does any of that have to do with your religion/ faith? Doing drugs? well, that is "sinful" but you always have the option of repenting for your sins, that's what's so appealing about christianity... People acting as obsessed maniacs? Dude, as much as they talk about community, christianity is about letting christ enter your heart and love for christ, and through christ, love of all people. THROUGH christ, I have to emphasise. People have their faults, people are sinful/ assholes/ boring... but their souls are small particles of God himself and above all earthly filth.. Or something like that |
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yeah....i'm probaly just biching cuz my life sucks right now, and when i was a christian it was all good. Just trying push away God i think. |
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music is my god |
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for me: Music could be my god, but it is my drug |
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that's what i though christianity is about: objectively, things don't get better, but in your mind/ spirit, everything is way, way better. uhm... |
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yo meho :) you think we can think in a non dualistic/dichotomous way? |
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Religion has been utilized as the ultimate mind control for the masses throughout time. All ancient scriptures have been writen and interpreted by humans who often shift truths. Truth lies in Portal inner visions of cosmotrancular skydomes. Dial 99-TetrahydroAmbular 88 on The Skyline Telephone. Http://www.LacedMilk.Com Lex99 |
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truth is a lie |
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The problem that a lot of people have with religion is that they cite it is the cause of wars, the motivation for things like the kkk etc. The sort of people that do these things are the ones that get the attention. The person that just follows their religion without doing these things don't get a mention. It's only really a footnote in history that mother Theresa was a catholic, but if someone like Bin Laden (not saying he is responsible for the WTC, just using it as an example) commits an atrocity in the name of "religion" it gets a lot of interest. Personally I think that the people that do bad things in the name of history have convinced themselves that it is in the name of their religion, when really their just supremacist gimps. I think it's the case of people seeing what they want to see. If you don't like the idea of religion, it's easy to find something to justify that, if you're a religious person (or approve of it) it's easy to find plenty of people who lead "good" lives because of their faith. |
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"...name of history..." = name of religion (sorry) |
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Religion = Necessary evil. similar to politix, pop music, marriage & divorce, some drugs.... |
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in quantum phsyics there are particles that pop into existence because there is a detector to detect them. that is, they've done the maths and found if you were not there to see these things then these things would not be there to see..... ...thats on a micro level though, and does generate a certain excitement about such a phenoneman existing at the macro level.........i.e. the world only exists cos you're there to perceive it....beautiful (but tough!) |
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have any of you read the first message in this topic....guess not... |
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youre right me thinks |
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That is part of the principle behind the quantum processor if I am not mistaken. |
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Which do you reckon will take of first, The organic or the quantum processor? Either way, we'll need one (or both) soon or PCs will stop getting faster... |
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i think we should try to make processing slower........macrocomputers, VeryLargeScaleIntegration, 10nBPS etc |
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i think blaming religion for all the wars in the world is misguided. Religion for many people is just an excuse for violence. As is football (soccer), for example. But yet we don't blame the game itself, but rather the hooligans, which is the way it should be with religions. Blame the extremist bastards for starting wars, not the religion itself. If you think about it, many religions actually bring people together. Like with the muslim pilgrimage thing, people are united despite colour, rich/poor, old/young etc. oh, and this point about calling religious people sheep, as they have simply followed what they have been taught. Well, i'd say many aetheists are sheep, as they have just 'gone along' with the conecption that all religions are shite, and the theory of evolution, etc, what they've been fed at skool. And never actually properly examined any religions themselves. Is that being less of a sheep? ...and also... this notion that religions are 'old-fashioned'. well non-belivers are as old as belivers if you think about it. Only since the advent of religions can people choose not to believe in them!! |
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Quantum... organic will require way too much maintenance to be a realistic option. |
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