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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 08:14 [#00229206]
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in his recent interviev he said something about making music so modern that he don't want to release because of copying his stuff by another artists. he mentioned "richard d james" album drill style copying as the example. I am quiete curious what kind of super modern stuff was he talking about... (sorry about my poor english)
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-22 08:16 [#00229209]
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ah a polack on the board! yes... Iam good friends with 2 polish brothers. jacob [kuba], and bartosz are their names. which part of poland are you in?
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 08:25 [#00229217]
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I am from the east side- I live near Wroclaw(big city on the south-east).being a polack is like a demon curse!
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-05-22 08:31 [#00229223]
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I think he talks about some new kind of beat or something.
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 08:37 [#00229232]
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what kind of beat? i have no idea what new could he have invented in this matter? click thing is now pretty obvious and soon will get obsolete, I think sooner or later there will be nothing to think out in music...
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-22 09:02 [#00229263]
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Yeah, that was an intriguing bit of the interview...
I think he does mention one track on Drkqs that is in kinda new style...can't remember which one tho, check the interview...But I'd take most of the things he says in interview with a pinch of salt; so much he has said in the past was a wind-up or made up on the spot for his own amusement...
Not so sure about your "sooner or later there will nothing to think out in music" comment...reminds me a bit of those "The Novel is Dead" articles that pop up almost weekly (generally in bulging Book review sections)...
Musics been going a long long time; as old as mankind, I guess and has grown continually; new forms & structures get created all the time so I doubt there will ever be a time when it stops moving forward...
as long as there as humans & our built in desire for novelty, music/art/whatever will be there alongside us...
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 09:15 [#00229289]
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he said also something about releasing only experiments on rephlex- so i am looking foward his new stuff (i am afraid we won't know which one is made by mr james, vide-astrobotnia). i find electronic hiphop as something fresh (antipop consortium!!!) but it is using IDM tricks so it is not something really new. all this click electronica (mille plateaux) is too experimental and a little bit boring so when will we be given something amazing and unexpected?!
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PainfulWorm
from Sofia (Bulgaria) on 2002-05-22 09:16 [#00229290]
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new kind of beat? i doubt it's possible i mean every type of beat is based on some kind of rhythm and i don't think one can be so inventive to create some beat never heard before
;)) but i don't agree that nothing can be thought in music everything new is a forgotten old thing
and is it so bad to be years ahead?
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-05-22 09:25 [#00229296]
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DAMN YOU RICHARD.
The man will never stop fucking with our heads. Knowing Rich, he probably wont release all of his songs until after he's dead. :(
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-22 09:28 [#00229299]
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Dance music seems to bring forth new genres/beats a lot so yeah a new kind of beat is always possible...
Look at Jungle a few years back...or Reggae...or UK Garage... I could go on & on...DrillnBass is another new rhymical form....they crop up all the time; if they work then they'll get picked up and developed...
We're lucky, I guess, IDM does a lot of experimenting with Rhythms/form...so it has a built in cutting-edge where stuff can develop....
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 09:37 [#00229303]
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Aren't You getting bored with this IDM style? With another aphex, sqpshr and autechre clones? I think there must be some kind of stylistic revolution in near future...
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-22 09:44 [#00229311]
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I bored with IDM cliches, yeah... but the good artists seldom fall into them...
To me, part of the appeal of this music is that it isn't trapped stylistically - you can have work as diverse as the almost not there Panasonic to the massively intricate Richard Devine to Dancefloot fillers to ambient bells...and they all fit into the IDM field...
(like many I hate the term IDM altho I don't mind using it for shorthand sake...I guess I hate it as it implies a "style" and like I say, their is no "IDM style"...
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 09:48 [#00229317]
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yeah idm term is really stupid- how to put aphex and boc under one style? it is mad. i like modern electronica definition more.
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PainfulWorm
from Sofia (Bulgaria) on 2002-05-22 09:49 [#00229319]
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ok, different beats & rhythms do exist but they aren't completely new to this world of course there are nuances that make them "new" actually all of them can be easily found in folk music centuries old
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 09:54 [#00229326]
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maybe not new rhytms but using unexpected sounds as a drum samples is possible and could be interesting but the rhythm is not the most important thing- for example boards of canada have really poor rhythmical side but the rest is amzingly wonderfull
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PainfulWorm
from Sofia (Bulgaria) on 2002-05-22 10:02 [#00229336]
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agree noise & sound are very bacis and important things for good electronic misic
beat is somewhat cheap these days ;)
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-22 10:11 [#00229343]
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I agree (in a way)...there little new under the sun and all that...but you can't really say everything has been done before...
I don't believe in Progress but I do believe immensely in Process...
and if the Process changes then I believe the music changes as well...
(and Process doesn't only mean method of production..I'm thinking that the listener plays a huge role in the Process of music...)..
Some intriguing ideas here...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-22 11:49 [#00229398]
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Yeah, even if we ever reach the point where we'll have exhausted the possibilites of new genres and experimented to pure noises/sounds and back, there'll still be the chance of going back and doing new things with old styles. Classical Chamber music on a synth, marching band music done on a drum machine etc.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-22 13:16 [#00229583]
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yeah, I was thinking about Marching Band shit this morning...
So much of it sounds like kina-proto DrillNBass in a way...all those drum rolls & snare repeats etc....theres def some sample material crying out for some sampling/cutting up....
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-22 13:18 [#00229588]
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I've done a track called "bolivian marching band" that does sound like a marching band.
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-05-22 14:05 [#00229635]
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I don't know does processing old styles through electronica filter gives us a new quality but I find nu-jazz (flanger maybe amon tobin-jazz'n'bass?) as extremly wicked thing. electronica will ressurect/is ressurecting obsolete rock/pop formula, will make hiphop fresher, I hope.
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