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have any of you musicmakers out their ever experimented with beats in 3/3, 7/8 or maybe 11/12? If you go to junktion.soundvault.net and download the track "Beat in a Bottle", you can try to anylize my way of using shifting beats. |
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I tried a couple of times but Ive still to fully get to grips with it... |
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whatcha mean by "shifting beats"? What's neat about unusual time signatures is that you can make them feel natural and familiar, even danceable with good accents. |
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are there any possible combinations of time sigs that will go with each other? |
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I never got my head around odd time signature and how they work in practice... but a nice technique that does give you similar results is to layer loops of different lengths..say a 1 bar loop,a 3 bar loop & a 5 bar loop....that way you get a lot of shifting loops out of a small amount of source material...Record a suitable amount of it looping around and then go in a choose the bits that work... Kinda similar to Steve Reichs stuff with tape loops going out of phase with each other.... |
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in "Beat in a Bottle" i use 5/12+7/12, and then 12/12 and after that 3/3 and it all rounds up with 6/6 |
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sounds real oke |
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i sometimes write in 5/4 time -- its pretty much become natural -- like 4/4 is to most people -- just a case of repetition (brainwashing) until it becomes part of the subconscious i guess...7/8 is the one i tackle neXt!! |
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What are time signatures....stupid question I know...but I never bothred to find out. 4/4 is BD SN BD BD SN BD 5/4 is BD BD SN BD BD SN BD Am I right !? Help me.... |
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Of course I've done beats in 3/3 and 7/8. I guess it's one of the few ways to keep your music from starting to get boring. Doing 4/4 over and over again simply isn't enough imo. Digitonix btw is a nice simple program to start experimenting with 3/3 and 7/8 etc. |
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No, that is still 4/4, Monoid. |
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SO how would 5/4 look ? |
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I never use loops and program every mashed up sample snip-bit in Cubase on a 1/16 scale (natural for me thanx to my tracker background),...to further fuck things up 1/32 and 1/64 for snare-rushes and such. When programming halion in midi U can go 1/128. If U can program samples it really doesn't matter in which timescale U work,..I can make a beat sound 7/8 while programming it in 1/16. |
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there would be 5 beats to a bar.... the 4 refers to a crotchet-- 4/4 would be BD-BD-BD-BD 5/4 would be: BD-BD-BD-BD-BD in 7/8, the /8 refers to a quaver, of which there are 8 to a 4/4 bar (making a quaver half as long as a crotchet) -- so, 7/8 means there is one quaver "missing"...so it could look like this :- ||:BD-OH-BD-OH-BD-OH-CH:|| sorry if this looks like gibberish, butit's hard to explain within this little box :| |
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yeah i agree with you about the snare rushes thing -- also with my bass-drums, i like to do 3 crotchet-thirds into 4 semiquavers (1/16 notes) -- so it stutters first before rushing... that 1/16 sounding 7/8 -- i dont get that -- 7/8 would translate as 14/16... so you're either working to that time signature or not, surely? maybe i misunderstood it |
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btw, in fruityloops, you can do snare rushes of 1/24th of a 1/16th note... altho i'm pretty sure it would sound either terrible or unnoticeable (like when you go so fast it seems you are going slow) |
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monoid it's simple. wheter it's a 5/4 or a 6/4 or a 7/4 or whatever it just means that you play . notes in . time 4/4 is 4 notes in a measure of 4 5/4 is 5 notes in a measure of 4 7/8 is 7 notes in a measure of 8 3/3 is 3 notes in a measure of 3 etc. it's simple in words but it's hard for some people to execute. |
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There appears to be a common misconception here.. 4/4 IS 4 notes in a measure of 4, but what this means in easier to follow terms x/y IS x of 1/y note. Thus, 6/8 is six eighth notes per measure. This, mathematically is interchangeable with 3/4, but is different in style and application. 3/3 means very little, as the third note does not exist in any applicable or non-redundant manner. 3/4 Is probably what you are meaning. 3 quarter notes per measure. Boom chic chic boom chic chic boom chic chic. 6/8? BUkakaBUkaka 5/4? Lots of ways to do five four. BOOM CHIC BOOM BOOM CHIC BOOM CHIC BOOM BOOM CHIC... Examined further, 5/4 and time signatures like it require abnormal or syncopated counting, i.e. 121231212312123 Where 1 is a downbeat. 5/8 is an unusual one because it's usually counted as more like 10/8 (which is unusual because of it's close relation to 5/4) 12 123 123 12 12 123 123 12 12 123 123 12 In dance(i use that term loosely) music, beats like this usually are used to double time standard 4/4 rhythms, thus keeping a continuous pace interesting. I hope that helps. |
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you didn't even mention the blues 12/8 measure!!! |
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nope. i got tired of thinking about time signatures without making music, so I opened up cubase. |
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So its true, music is math eh ? Oh well.......im still confuzed..... |
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it's really easy... it just needs to click! 4 2 = 4 minim beats to a bar 4 4 = 4 croquet beats to a bar 4 8 = 4 quaver beats to a bar 4 16 = 4 semiquaver beats to a bar then the top number just changes depending on how many beats u want in the bar .i.e. how long u want the bar to be. hope that didnt confuse ppl.... bye |
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hahah i mean crotchets... oopsss, i always spell it wrong :-) |
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it seems like it should make sense to me, being just ratios, but i can't make sense of what the bottom number means. so the ratio is number of beats to what? top number is beats in a bar, but what does the number mean? what's the difference between a 4 bar and a 6 bar? how is 3/4 different from 6/8? |
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3/4 and 6/8 are the same when it comes to drums, for piano music there is a difference between 3/4 6/8 in that you accent the notes differently. |
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so, let's say we have a little melody. do ray me do ray me do ray me would be 3/4? do ray me fa do ray me fa do ray me fa would be 4/4? if so, i still don't understand what the purpose of the four is. |
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the 4 is the amount of beats per loop the 3 is the amount of divisions between the beats.... 3/4 one,2,3,two,2,3,three,2,3,four,2,3 4/4 one,2,3,4,two,2,3,4,three,2,3,4,four,2,3,4 etc. I should be a teacher! |
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its just to make things easier when youre writing music. do ray me do ray me could be 3/4 or 4/4 or 5/4 or 7/8 or whatever, you could write it however you like. The top number represents the number of beats in a bar, the bottom number is what kind of beats they are. IE: 3/4 would be three quarter notes per bar. 7/8 would be seven eigth notes per bar. To go back to the do ray me example: if you were to write that in 3/4, each bar would start with 'do', if you wrote it in 4/4, the first bar would be "do, ray, me, do" the second would be "ray, me, do, ray" the third would be "me, do, ray, me" etc... it will sound the same regardless of whether it is in 3/4 or 4/4, but if you were to look at it on paper it would be different. |
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mine was the best, that just sounds confusing 8). |
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except yours is wrong :) |
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I know but I'm pretending to be a teacher. 8) if you can do, if you can't teach, it's sad but generally true. |
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You ever see Annie Hall? "Those who cant do, teach. Those who cant teach, teach gym" :) |
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Woody allen is a genius! Genius is banded about everyday but he is really a genius! which is your favourite film by him? |
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Hard to pick just one, Play it Again Sam is definitely up there I have never laughed so hard in my life as when he goes to the bar for a drink, takes one sip, takes a sip of water and then sashes his head on the table and passes out. Im cracking up just typing this. |
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I can't say one! there are too many precious moments in most of his films that really are mind alltering for the better. They make me laugh 'till tea squirts out of my nose. |
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Heehee, the first part of bananas when hes dating those girls is so priceless, his facial expressions are brilliant. |
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genius! |
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I admire www.mp3.com/tom7 for often using unconventional time signatures. I just see it as a set decided number of time units that are repeated over and over, you can choose 5,7,16, anything, though if you choose a larger number it's more divisible unless it's like a prime muthafuka bitch yo, allowing you to place strikes of sound in time in more intricate places, yo. |
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yeah man, just think fractions. |
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nexus 6: isn't that a band that dan myer produces? |
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I do a lot of 3/4 without even thinking about it. it's probably cos I have Polish heritage. |
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did any of you hear my song "Beat in a Bottle"?! I would like an oppinion since the topic is unusual time signatures it's on |
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