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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 13:34 [#00212194]
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I was just reading about this... It's mad, makes the Jehovah's witnesses seem like altruists!
Anyone here ever (or known anyone who has) had anything to do with them/ seen them/talked to them?
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wizards teeth
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 13:36 [#00212195]
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Look deep into my eyes and I will tell you all about us (sorry I mean "them")
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 13:40 [#00212197]
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I got approached by them when I was in the UK. Funny people. I bought Ron L. Hubbard's book just to shake them off. Read just a small portion of it and, while most of it was obvious new age bullshit propaganda, there were some useful practical observations in there... Ron Hubbard was a ridiculous sci-fi writer but as Church head, he's been very successful as he offered a religion that seemed "practical" which a lot of people in our time seem to appreciate.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 13:44 [#00212201]
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Yeah Meho it was just to shake them off ha, ha. You were tempted by the fact that your hero Tom Cruise signed up. Admit it.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 13:46 [#00212202]
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Ha, ha. No, I hate Cruise, but Travolta and Dustin Hoffman, well, that's another thing, right? I was a young kid, was only 16 at the time, cut me some slack, will ya.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 13:50 [#00212204]
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Fair enough. I was just ribbing ya bitch.
I worked with a guy who was a memeber of the Church of Christ or something. He said he'd given up all drugs so couldn't drink hot chocolate. Hmmm.
They tried to book St Davids Hall Ceri as a charity and got refused. They wanted cheaper rates the bastards.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 13:55 [#00212209]
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Religion doesn't do it for me one way or the other.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 13:57 [#00212212]
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Yes, we all know 'what does it for you' Meho. Its a good job you're not a Catholic. The shame of looking at porn would have ended you ages ago. Catholic guilt is very powerful. I used to punch my genitals after every wank as a teenager.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 13:58 [#00212214]
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me too, but im not catholic :D
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 14:03 [#00212218]
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No, you're kidding? God, Christianity is so cruel to the body, Nietzsche was right...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 14:09 [#00212224]
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Problem was that doing this turned me on even more and caused me to have another chubby which I had to wrestle with until it died, spitting white blood as it did so. Ahem.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 14:10 [#00212226]
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yuk! hey i'm eating here!
you put me right off my sushi
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 14:14 [#00212231]
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Ahh, the joys of self-punishment... Well, I have never had this problem, I grew up in an environment very low on religion. But now we have a backlash, everybody is boasting how they are great believers and shit and I constantly have these arguments with people who won't understand that being true christian means being humble, guilty and good-natured.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 14:17 [#00212236]
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I hated the do-gooder Catholics in our church and school. There was one family who were just like the Flanders family in the Simpsons, but sanctimonious to go with it.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 14:20 [#00212240]
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ok im gonna post sensibly now.
Being Christian isnt about self punishment, its having faith and 'doing unto others', no where does it say u have to feel guilty about every thing you do. you dont have to be humble either, just dont be a bad person. Jesus saved when he died...but saved us from what? from having to save ourselves i.e. from feeling guilty.
although thats just my interpretation
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 14:22 [#00212244]
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Actually being Catholic isn't such a bad deal. You can sin and then confess afterwards. Its just a shame I don't believe in God as it makes the exercise a bit redundant.
Where's Ceri gone? He starts a thread and then buggers off. Pah!
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 14:24 [#00212249]
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well if u dont beleive in God why are you posting! why are you catholic!
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 14:25 [#00212250]
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Well, I was a Catholic. I renounced my religion many years ago. It doesn't mean I can't be interested in religion.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 14:29 [#00212255]
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I'm back. I was doing some video editing, had a n omlette and now I'm watching "america's hottest twins" on Jenny Jones. The most blatant attempt at soft porn pre watershed in a long time...
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 14:31 [#00212258]
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sounds nice! tape it for me
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 14:32 [#00212259]
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What are you talking about Bob? How do you mean we don't have to feel guilty: we are born guilty of Adam's and Eve's sin (the original sin) and this is why we have to be baptised as children, so we don't die with that sin on our conscience. And we are also guilty for letting Jesus be killed, we are practically obliged to Jesus for what he's done for us. But fuck that, no blackmail will be accepted here. And, hey, I didn't mean to make this post sound so aggressive, I have nothing against you or your opinions, rest assured.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 14:37 [#00212261]
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2 pornstaresque blonde twins were just mud wrestling as their "talent" in the talent contest...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 14:41 [#00212264]
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2 others have jsut done a cheerleading routine that incorporates the notorious double cartwheel...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 14:45 [#00212266]
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The concept of "Original Sin" is one pushed predominantley by Catholics. Many Christians believe that a part of Jesus dying frees us from guilt.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 14:51 [#00212269]
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That's correct, Ceri but there's still sin in a lot of what we do. Carnal passions and stuff... Sex without love is sin and so on. Me masturbating everyday for the last 18 years is a sin and so on. Christianity is very strong on guilt.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 15:02 [#00212281]
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I remember being told not to masturbate by my mother. I was eighteen at the time and we were in Tescos but that doesn't matter. Nah, seriously when i was about 6 or 7 she used to catch me when she came to wake me for school. The affects are still with me.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:06 [#00212287]
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You masturbated at 6? Mate, you are way ahead of me. I only started at 10 and got serious about it at 11.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 15:09 [#00212289]
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Lots of the christians I know used to be druggies or cultists etc. they're quite non-judgmental. That said I accept that a lot of right wing Chrisitians can give the impression of a very guilt laden religion.
I am almost completely without guilt- Without meaning to sound pious I don't do anything I really regret... I have good self control. I think you have to act in a way that you wish you hadn't to be guilty.
Whilst I accept the concept of original sin - had we been Adam and Eve we would have done the same thing... I don't feel bad about it.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 15:09 [#00212290]
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16. I know, I know...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 15:15 [#00212300]
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10?!!! 16?!! I feel really bad now. I used to lie in bed thinking of snogging girls I fancied and did the thing. It was great then - no mess.
Toddlers play with their genitals so you guys must have.
So you've been trying to catch up these past years then Meho.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:16 [#00212303]
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16? You're kidding, oh well, that's the age they talk about in books and they always go: "it's perfectly normal for a young person to masturbate once or twice a week". WTF? Once or twice A DAY is my current diet and back in the early teen days it was up to 5 times a day.... Ahh, those were the days...
I'm glad that you don't feel guilty about anything you do, that's a good way to lead your life but it still doesn't say anything: you still recognize the concept of guilt/ sin and try not to cross the line. For my part, I don't accept that anything as sin does exist, if I feel guilty that's because I violated my own rule, not some divine rule. Original sin always bugged me: God gave Adam and Eve a gift of free will, a choice. Once they excerscised it he got mad and chased them out of paradise. WTF, what kind of free will is that if he doesn't tell you that there are going to be serious consequences etc.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:18 [#00212306]
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Yeah, but since I'm eight years older than you, mate, I have ejaculated a lot more spunk, I'd say.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2002-05-09 15:19 [#00212308]
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theres a church of scientology around the corner from my work.
my work mates say its a crazt scary place, but.....what the FUCK is scientology about anyway?
are they the enemies of the hari chrishnas?
i think ive seen them do a gangwar once
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 15:20 [#00212310]
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I think the concept of free will is why God favours people over angels- angels have to do as he says, we have a choice. The thing with the garden of eden is that there was only 1 thing they had to do to honour God and they chose not to. Now we've got loads more stuff we have to do/not do ;)
I tend to feel that most of my "religious rules" coincide with my ethical/humanitarian ones which is quite cool as it means I don't have to behave drastically differently.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 15:21 [#00212311]
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5 times a day? You lightweight. I got into double figures some times. I found it difficult to walk for a while.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 15:22 [#00212312]
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THey're a crackpot "religion" started by a Sci-Fi writer. Do a google search on scientology and click on the first one in the list. It's quite a comprehensive site.
Aparrently they do do gangwars and mass violence if they count someone as "fair game" i.e. they have pissed them off.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2002-05-09 15:30 [#00212328]
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yair once a daie is a pretty good diet :)
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:32 [#00212335]
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Ceri: one thing or million things, it makes no difference. What is your free will about if I inflict punishment on you for excersising it. Will means might. If Adam and Eve actually had the might to oppose God than you could say that they had actual free will. This way, they were more or less disrespected and punished like little kids. God did not respect their choice and send them to live on Earth as a part of an agreement: he did it out of rage and as a punishment.
Jonesy: some of my mates claimed they did it 11-13 times a day but I really could not believe it::: Now you tell me the same. I feel so pussy now...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:32 [#00212336]
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yeah, it keeps you in shape...
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 15:36 [#00212349]
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haha, you guys crack me up, I love the way topics can change so quickly
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-05-09 15:37 [#00212350]
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I masturbate almost everyday............how old are you Meho Krljic ? I hope yar not some 56 year old perv..........
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:41 [#00212357]
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Eh, I'm 30, does that sound better. I'm sure I'll still be beating off when (and if) I reach 56... A habit hard to break, and i have a relationship and all. I mean look at her (she's in my avatar) - not bad, is she. But masturbation is just my habit...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 15:41 [#00212358]
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They always degenerate when Meho is on the board. I don't like to take part in such sordid discussions.
Has anyone got any techniques they wish to share? Ahem.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 15:42 [#00212360]
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i jerk the gherkin every other day and havent been caught yet :D but 6 is a bit young...i didnt even know of sex at that age
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 15:43 [#00212367]
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Believing in something such as mainstream religion seems to take the intelectual work out of understanding existance. Oh well. Easy answers made easier right?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:44 [#00212373]
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jonesy: No, man, you're the one who brought up the masturbation theme. I behaved well up to that moment.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 15:45 [#00212374]
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yes meho, she looks quite attractive.
I thought it was a typo when I saw 6, that's far too young, maybe not for fred and rose west's kids though =)
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 15:49 [#00212387]
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Leave mum and dad alone. It was society's crime not theirs. Ahem.
There must be some of you who masturbated at that age. I didn't do it the conventional way. I just used to rub the quilt vigorously at my crotch.
Besides Freud talked about children's sexuality. Children are sexual beings also. In the masturbatory sense of course.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 15:54 [#00212397]
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Freud actually attributed every tactile pleasure to sexuality, so in this regard, even babies are "sexual". I envy you mate, don't get me wrong.
B3N: Thanx, mate, she is attractive, but she's a great person too, that's what keeps me around her, actually.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-05-09 15:56 [#00212403]
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My mom actually walked in on me as I was ejaculating, imagine the sad, twisted mix of shock/pleasure on my face. God damn that woman, can't you fucking knock?
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