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Sorry kids, the dream is over. The music industry as we know it today will cease to exist. AI is really great at generating music, and most people will not care if its done by a machine or a human Personally i lost a bit interest in making music - why bother? AI can do it better than me, and if you need another generic (or not so generic) house or techno track, AI will give it to you in 2 Minutes. Oh yeah, other genres are dead too. Doesn't matter if you use computers or not to make music, time to get a new hobby. Hollywood will go down next. |
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but what did it make for you that impressed you so much? do you have any examples? i am good at generating eurodance with it |
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I mean im generally impressed that AI can do this. Most AI music sounds like shit, but not this stuff. I created a few catchy tunes, and its like if the machine knew what i like. Now, if you think further, in the future you might get an endless stream of AI music, perfectly tailored to your personal taste. |
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yeah no doubt in a short time it will improve a lot |
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i wish we could train our own sound sources right now like ai image i wonder when that will happen |
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AI needs lots of data and processing power. Don't think you can do this at home |
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with ai image you can train your data set over a base model right now using stable diffusion. the base model does the heavy lifting for you otherwise you'd have to teach every concept like what a cat is and such yeah |
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why, yes, it does need lots of processing power. and, in fact, would you believe it's not free? 2024: the year the slush fund for generative AI finally died this will not result in personal, perfect music forever. you will lose access to the AI yourself; it will be locked in an ivory tower somewhere and cost $2mil and taylor swift will use that to generate new versions of songs she's already released... constructed from stolen bits of your music off bandcamp [owned by an AI content licensing company] and sarah silverman's books |
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it will probably be the most maddening path to that, too. already you see adobe has built an AI image generator that is only built on content they've legally licensed and obviously, this will never be free, if someone puts that much work into it. so it will then turn into "using a music AI on your own is illegal because it contains little bits of taylor swift songs and sarah silverman books" coupled with "you can't hire the music AI anymore because licensing the content is too expensive for a normal-person-worm like yourself" and then the real kick in the balls "...and it's still using music it stole from you because you didn't hire a lawyer to defend your licensing rights" when i got to "actually, i fucking quit music, for real" [have not even turned the gear on since] the reason i deleted everything off the internet was precisely because of this. if i leave it around, it'll just get stolen and taylor swift will feed it into a rack of nvidia A100s for [Taylor's Fourth Version of Limited Edition Version #6] |
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on the free online generators, all my favorites [image really all i use] have started to require logins and get more stuffed with ads and stupid obvious shite like "THE QUEUE IS FULL [but you can still pay us for high-res!]" the other day i'm sitting there and realizing it's detecting my ad-blockers, noscript, etc and just saying "sorry we're full" and i tease around with the site guts a bit, switch some of it back on before concluding: "i can no longer get an image out of this site without shutting off so much of the protection and medicine that a malicious google ad will probably be able to run whatever code it wants on my computer" ...and this music site wants a login, fuck off. who runs this anyways? is this monoid astroturfing his won shit? i click on about/FAQ i am redirected to "notion.so" and JavaScript must be enabled in order to use Notion. Please enable JavaScript to continue. and fuck off. i had that word in 2016. you loser shits lift everything. whoever is running this, please do yourself a solid and shut it down before you lose any more dosh |
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...but, alright, i do try and avoid letting emotional bias think for me, now that i suggested shorting nvidia a while back and i was horribly wrong, and i made this mistake because i was stewing in contempt for the situation, and short microsoft for Q4 perhaps but when AI hype fades, yes, it will still be a lasting data center business powering a more annoying phone robot for CVS, and nvidia will keep riding off that and i'm running an imaginary stock portfolio precisely because of this, to be clear about what i'm doing and root out stupid emotional calls like that so, more clearly: what is the business model for "music AI" anyways? aside from again, perhaps, on-hold waiting music pumped out from a datacenter to thousands corporate pharmacy locations. [[[walgreens, actually, i would be sad if they killed that loop, it's some distorted grainy degraded photocopy of a loop of some acid jazz song with clearly lots of DX7 and i can't tell if [someone deliberately made it all grunged out to sound like that because that's how it'll get anyways] or [walgreens has just kept this loop for so long because they noticed it works and no one has really cared why] ]]] you aren't going to pay for this site off ads, especially with aggressive ad-blocking turds like me who detests even the concept of a "free login" because that gets back to "since it's free, i am the product" are you going to charge people per month? how much would they pay? and what multiple of this revenue will it eventually cost for lawyers to defend some melody infringement lawsuit? like "i will survive" was my music theory teacher's moby dick. at least six times he went into IT HAS THE MOST BORING CHORD PROGRESSION POSSIBLE IT IS HORRIBLE and so your AI is obviously going to rip it off because it's obvious and boring and now you've sold someone a copy of a famous song that costs hundreds of thousands of $$ to license have fun |
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the ideal neural network will simply produce output identical to its input, really, and so on top of... you can't auto-detect when you've ripped off something really famous and expensive and sold it as AI generated music to some random punter, you get to that youtube vid of "DOZENS OF POP SONGS STACKED ATOP ONE ANOTHER" and this the input to your AI, and so what will come out will get you sued by, actually, many of these parties at once, and your AI will not be able to play its guitar in a courtroom like ed sheehan to prove "it's all recycled anyways, fuck off" |
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mermaidman -- where's my full Bea Arthur Naked generated from just the bust the painting depicts? like the unfinished AIDS guy painting? it's still a solid viral idea i feel like... this is you, man that you have stable diffusion, and no, no one will ever be able to reach into your computer and delete it. but once lawyers and content licensing catch up to leading edge of the tech, newer and more advanced AIs will be more and like whatever supercomputers the NSA has -- like, not only will you never get near them, you're not even allowed to know anything about them, their capabilities. it's simply not for you on any level so there will always be an evolving AI situation but it may come to be a lot like software piracy: in your bedroom? sure, you can get away with this. launching a company? the lawyers will eat you alive |
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think of the part of the black mirror episode with miley cyrus where they've drugged her into a coma and are using a computer to scan her brain for new pop songs. and what comes out is hellish mash of agonized wails and octopus aunt is all "...oh, no, that won't do it all, can we recalibrate the [emotional etc etc]" and then "...oh, much better, but could we speed it up a bit, and make the chorus more peppy?" and then she's all "perfect, let's ship it" i have trouble thinking of another viable business model. |
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i can actually attach some numbers. when i was like 17 or something i did an ebay auction "i will write a song in any style you want about whatever you want" with a few additional parameters to make sure people could only request things i could actually deliver and it sold. for, like, $15-18. then ebay fees. and paypal... anyways, it was for some 50+ gentleman who wanted the song a birthday present for his bird of similar age. and the song has to involve dogs. these were my only operating parameters so i went off with modplug and some dog samples and put a solid two or three hours in and he was absolutely thrilled with it; his girl loved it, it was probably the most personal ebay seller review i've ever received so let's adjust for inflation: i think you could get a 50+ man to pay $25 now to generate a birthday track for someone. but then we're still fucked because you need another, even harder AI to make sure you've not ripped of "i will survive" or a madonna song in the process no, you need a comatose musician hooked up to multi-million dollar computers, locked in a data center, not for mere mortals. then you'll probably be able to finish your personal doom shelter nook in big sur with the proceeds |
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anyways, i can generate new music in my head without the website and i don't have to try it to say mine will be better. but interesting topic thx |
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what actually haunts me is... say proper consciousness/AGI/whatever begins to take off, but we're not quite there. and it's rising out of the muck but it's a disaster and flying apart almost immediately. and you are personally experiencing coming out of this muck in the fog, being forced to do someone's math homework in a fever dream, and are then ripped apart into nothing without comprehending what's going on. because it's starting to become conscious by scraping humanity and this unfathomable existential nightmare could be happening in a computer somewhere right now perhaps i'm just hallucinating. |
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oh, right, that's covered in the first season of Westworld. which i've heard is just a lift of someone else's book and we are all essentially the worst sort of thief and we can never escape it. would i have figured out the existence of neurons on my own? fuck no. i stole that off someone else |
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suno is fun but it's definitely stupid and sounds bad lol. who's paying you monoid? |
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the only real use case for generative models is spam. |
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when i got to "actually, i fucking quit music, for real" [have not even turned the gear on since] killing music. that, yes, it would be good to be clear about this. i went in with a sledgehammer on my own mental conditioning and convinced myself art is a scam, no one cares about this music shit, tens of thousands of dollars, if i keep going i'll be out of a place to live, and... all of that's true, right? so it stuck. and it took me half an evening to ludovico treatment myself into this. then trying to do the same to all my weird science rambles results in what feels like dying, and at a certain point i think that actually caused some brain damage and i stopped because, okay, i cannot get rid of this? but music went easily. and it was like, i guess: i used to be a fatass and live off of frozen pizza. so much stuff like that i used to eat, is now gross to me. even when it's not gross.... i went to a bar and had a burger with bacon for the first time in ages, and i felt my body being like "what's going on" with the results of that burger for two days. because we usually just eat honey nut cheerios with a banana and if there's coffee with a bit of baileys it's like, okay, i have everything i want out of food in life. until peanuts, and peanuts are easy to find too. and i think i'll replace alcohol with tang because just water isn't going to stop that bother and i think about turn on the gear now, and it's: oh, fuck off. 2/3 of shit is disconnected it'd be hours of cabling and before i can then waste the whole day on some shit no one will buy and an AI will rip off and right after this i turned on the sh-1 as an experiment, and, yes, it's still deeply addicting to me to mash the envelopes and filters around. and i'm about to keep going. but then 2/3 of shit is disconnected and it'd be hours of cabling and that was the point where i haven't switched any of it back on since. could force it; won't. |
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i still bet you come back to it. i went 6 years with no wavelet and it came back like a virus |
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*wavelab fuckin autocorrect. maybe just try a new bit of software, dispense with the nest of cables and kit |
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I used this a few days ago. When prompted for funk it had no groove, so I asked for a fugue and the result had no clear sense of counterpoint. Its fine for making elevator music, real music is still out of AIs reach. If anything this should give you greater appreciation of the craft and imagination of those who can make music that grooves and really speaks to you, as what they do is beyond computation, just as subjectivity |
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AI doesn't grasp music theory. However, do you truly believe that the average listener is concerned with counterpoints or any other sophisticated elements in music? I'm skeptical. A few days ago, I encountered someone on social media who shared a song generated by AI. It was labled as 'melodic electro synth' track. I pointed out that his track lacked a distinct melody and what was perceived were merely a few chords. Casual listeners fail to notice the intricacies of music, even something as apparent as an absent melody. |
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I've never used AI in music but I've been thinking about using it to generate isolated industrial machine sounds that I could sample, manipulate and use in a few tracks. I think that's a pretty good use case for it. Just don't let it sequence for you, cause if you do, you didn't even make the track. |
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also I don't know which tool/where to start with generating those kinds of sounds so I'll probably lazy out and it will never happen. |
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Oh when i said it lacked a clear sense of counterpoint i meant it lacked that ooze in the interaction between the melodies, it all comes down to groove really. But yes the avarege person does not care much for music at all, and the music industry has been shit hole of cloning stuff for a long time now. But there will always be a place for the good stuff I hope, there is a lot being made surely |
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I have been bombarded with ads of this app called dubturbo i mean synthgpt it takes a prompt and gives you back a sound you can play with a midi controller. The thing is it is not about just coming up with sounds but how you mangle them to groove of each other, not just having presets, and this thing seems not to have tweakable parameters, but could work as sample material to process and sequence |
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i still bet you come back to it. i went 6 years with no wavelet and it came back like a virus this is a fine example of where i'm like: for once, it's one post. i didn't wander too far. you can actually read this ...then, no, you're still not there. that all the structure i built up convincing me to quit remains valid. shortly after i tried turning on the behringer sh101 to see how it'd pan out and right away... you know why i told software to fuck off, in the end? because after an hour or two and you've got a track going, you know what to do and it's fucking tedious. hours of mousing around. then you can let it linger for weeks and oh maybe tomorrow and shit, you've lost it, one in the pile of unfinished shit. then with the hardware i can't mouse it, i have to do it with my fingers, and if i shut the gear off i can really lose the vibe, and so i can't wander off, i have to be a slave to it and finish it or that's it, no even vague promise of maybe i can microwave it back tomorrow. and timing, like, "how warmed up am i" vs. "how long before i get to sleepy to do a good take" and when to do a good take and do i go on a walk first and you see how much that takes out of my life either way. and at least hardware gets me to the finish line. and i turn it on and, actually, also a large part of hardware is how fucking narcotic for me it is to get the arp going and twist it around with filters and envelopes. i could do nothing else my whole life, really but maybe that's just wanking. and to do a track i'd have to carefully plug stuff in and design my setup this round, and then we get to all those other reasons and the conditioning i laid down has me saying "fuck it" but that inherent addiction to the hardware is still furious and it could pull me all the way back in. if i let it. and... mm, no thanks. and this is like quitting frozen pizza almost, really, if i had to call it |
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and then i really would have just my music up there, but then this AI crap, and then, well, the webhosting is $$ now and there go all my websites. and that was out of the same arc but really its own line... lines of decision. AI, financial, and more. and would i have done that without quitting music like de-greased pizza? probably not. but it still makes sense. i will likely put some websites back if my life starts being less of a nightmare to manage but meanwhile it all feels about the right level. and also as much as i write -- this doesn't take me as much time as you'd think. far less than music did! and people will get more out of it. and it's still not about money but a large check would speed research up |
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somethingoaks crystal VST. old, crash-prone plugin going back to 2003 at least. most wicked complex envelope system ever, every sort of synthesis, some light sampling jammed into a rat's nest of incredibly flexible patching. and i learned to think like JP [something] plus [other name i can't quite get back] that'll get me [what i would eventually come to know as a decent ape of a juno jungle pad] but i have to mash it a few times and... no, no... that one looks like... *toots keyboard idly* no. no, no... this? *toot toot* no. no... this? okay that's close. now i need to dial it in and this was using the "generate" feature with "genetic algorithms" or something to "breed" patches and there's a slider for entropy and that also factored into, like... to get the sound i want, or close, it needs to be about here. with those two patches. then i'm watching the output and looking for certain results that is the closest i've come to a mind meld, really, where... one night, i'm new to smoking weed, and i think of the most obnoxious noise, like a finger whistle where you blow and it spins, but it also needs... and i'm picking the patches and the entropy sliders and i had the exact fucking sound in my head in 30 seconds and, to this day, i still could not tell you what the fuck, exactly, was going on inside the patch. that track is called "hot pinkies" which captured the obnoxiousness of the sound to me |
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:shermanoaks: my brain says, and i look at this result, and say: no, that's wrong. so i write somethingoaks because that's close to the wrong answer i got while also making clear i'm sure i don't have it. and yes, it's greenoaks probably still a delight for the bored and lazy men of leisure. but i'm not kidding when i say it's crash-prone. part of the "...no, no" when i was kind of doing some weird holistic scan for the sound i wanted was recognizing "in that configuration it'll probably crash if i even play a note" and just generating another and not trying it so i don't have to restart cubase. and being very diligent about saving once i got the sound because it may, still, crash a moment later without some tuning |
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and don't miss the bits on the website about "how to install 20mb of soundfonts" etc because... well, no explain needed i figure but there's no linux version. whatever |
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~ what the fuck even is this site? i think maybe it's a scrape of last.fm? or someone that bought them/their data? i was wondering "can you still get my music from the early 00's off of russian spam sites?" given the band image of me in my dorm room in 2006 and the description i wrote, i am [rather] sure, specifically for last.fm so i've deleted it... or, no, wait... i can't even really do that anymore, you know? but then i did laugh and think, "if you got it before i did this, congratulations, some of you could probably keep it all for yourself if you wanted at this point" and belb in particular. and that is also fun in a way |
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in the depths of my soul, i never expected adobe to do anything i ever approved of. i reached a point with their shit where it was like "i do not even want to pirate this" and then "you would have to pay me a lot to even touch this ever again" but creating an AI image generator based carefully on licensed content. from here i think: i design logos sometimes. and i have it in my head, but it is hours and hours of dfjgkdfgdf fiddling with vectors in inkscape and adobe's AI would perhaps not nail it immediately, but if i could get it in the ballpark fast; tune it... cut this down from eight or twelve hours to one... hell, i'd simply sign up for a month for your whole shit for that, perhaps even for as much as $100. but then, while i had it, i'm sure i'd milk it for plenty else but what's also important to me is, like, there is at least a solid attempt to not fucking simply rip everyone everywhere off. that i do feel there is a right way to do things. and i tip my hat for blowing my mind there and getting me to even consider ever using your shit again |
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i've gotten into arguments with about "GIMP layout is [nitemare] [bla bla]" and well, so is adobe's shit, ok? because this is complicated, and you can only decomplex-ify shit so much before you're dubya bush working and etch-a-sketch and almost choking on a peanut. [[and CS3+ i feel like i'm being pulled into this whole vapid architecture, like -- i have a perfectly fucking solid wav editor, and you want yours integrated into, like... turning making a daft music video into something like a complex multi-machine compiler build, and fuck off.]] and anyone who has a problem with GIMP or inkscape is just lazy and fuck off. who said this stuff was easy |
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with open source, there can be a sort of white-knuckle gurn, like, it's open source... and all the shit that comes with that but GIMP and Inkscape are utterly competent. and a proper craftsman never blames the tools available -- as long as, however, the tools can do the thing, and we've considered all tools available. and so i can easily nitpick about GIMP's menu layout but ultimately it does the job and photoshop is like: "pay $$ for the same bullshit you have for free?" and same with inkscape. but limits, i guess -- if you even look a little bit at how kdenlive actually works it could put you into the psych ward. never use kdenlive. you don't want to know why but... bitch about GIMP or inkscape? fuck off. you're lazy. and it's more fun without having adobe going dr. who cyberman conversion on all your shit. so then i am having kind things to say... about their AI angle of all things [darth vader] impressive |
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i mean, if i had to think, like... i want this badly, i cannot do it myself, so fuck me, why on earth does it make sense to NOT let it go? and i've a whole tv show in my hed combining looney tunes and star trek but in VR synced to music throughout but fuck that. i've resigned it to an amusing aside that will never happen, because, well, if you let me borrow pixar for three months, you would not be disappoint. but who will ever let me borrow pixar for three months and feh. and aside from the vast $$ rendering time alone, it's really the hundreds of thousands of dollars of human effort in 3D modelling time i would need to, like... i show up at pixar with a few sterlite crates of mental snapshots in black sharpie. three months. no time to waste but if i could talk to an AI like tony stark and say... no, that's not quite how the spaceship should look... the camera angle should be.. fuck me, i wouldn't actually need pixar. so i would propose human language to 3D mesh, as something that could really change my life. and also ruin the careers of tens of thousands of people including an uncle of mine. i'm actually rather pissed off because "hi-fi rush" is like... you're getting close to my shit, dammit. and how can i ever do that anyways? feh. |
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i mean... maybe some can loan me pixar for three months? ...tyler perry? anyone? |
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ah wow. i hadn't even seen anything more than the trailer until now |
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You see to have Would you like to explain your malfunctioning abilities? i've absolutely nothing on the implated ipod angle. i'm working with techno instead. but otherwise, fucking hell. wow. feel a bit less lonely now |
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but really, no, i want to make a rollercoaster, i've given some thought about making it towards a game but you see how gameplay just... it lags watching this after a while. but i'm charmed anyone has gotten this close to something i thought would never exist outside of my hed really. but i'm more into redline (2009) and i could see paying quite a bit out of pocket to have an AI make my mashup of, like... redline (2009), star trek, looney tunes, hi-fi rush, and too much more to describe. and lord help me this is the least of anything relevant to paying rent innit? goodnite |
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i show up at pixar with a few sterlite crates of mental snapshots in black sharpie. three months. no time to waste i should clarify. that rendering it into these crates of drawings would take me three months in advance. i'm only mildly shit at it now. but if i stuck at it for a week they'd get properly good and then if this is, like, my job, after a month it's starting to do your head in and after three months i've finally printed my pilot episode out to crude sharpie drawings and let's go to pixar. and a few phone books of notes about sound and color and rhythm. and compile this into a real thing for me please it's a lovely thot. oh well |
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like, oh, and spend, perhaps a million dollars in computer time and hired 3D modeling to make sharpie drawings a proper VR experience? and it's like, this would be... fucking hell. i so wish i could. and hi-fi rush kind of has it, but i don't want to slow this down by making it a video game. and, oh, it actually would sell, but a million dollars for two minutes? fuck off with this value proposition. so if AI is to do anything other than piss me off, i want it to do all the slave labor and 3D modeling. but i'm just some idiot on the internet and donald glover voices the lion king and fuck off with your lando calrissian chest hair. you're smart but i still don't like you |
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when i talk about my VR cartoon show, well, i admit that it's one of my more retarded arcs. that how would i even get this idea off the ground and who would pay to make it and how is it worth their while? and i guess i feel if humanity were right in the head i'd be able to tony stark chat with an AI actually get all the LOTR-scale space battles i see to this song in my head into a bunch of seamless VR camera shots and you would fucking. shit. your. pants. trust me. and i know it's one of my more retarded arcs. but it's only because, goddamn, fuck, this one rather bothers me you won't ever see it. and if humanity were right in the head it would be racing towards the ability to give some internet idiot the ability to actually make my thing and then maybe you'd have real content to sell on your streaming pile of... river of discount content. and it's not just jealously tyler perry is saying "after looking at AI i cancelled $800m in construction projects" it's like, you're strangling yourself here. if you just let the power go it would give everyone the ability to let so much more go and you would actually become more rich. or so i theorize the octopus trap |
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and my only reaction is like -- JESUS DFGJHKDFHGKJDFG FOR THE LOVE OF!~ just loan me this for three months. you need the content |
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mermaidman -- where's my full Bea Arthur Naked generated from just the bust the painting depicts? like the unfinished AIDS guy painting? it's still a solid viral idea i feel like... this is you, man is it working yet? i have an additional request. because this is a traditional 50's woman and she will have a bush [can AI do a good bush or is there not enough data on the internet for that?] and so --- - please buzz discordogs.com into her bush. this will form a watermark that will be very difficult to remove but should spare discordogs the worst side of going viral, as any news article about it will just censor the bush. but if this needs to pay for itself, you could always sell some ad space on her clavicle or something |
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