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/r/chomsky thread: /r/stupidpol thread: i haven't watched this yet, but i understand there's a lot of knowledge here, with three scholars (and not from the monkey twitch streamer), that are all over the spectrum, including a bonafide zionist |
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stupidpol sure likes to call destiny 'cuck', i'm sure in some double irony way (i don't stupidpol, but the takes i read were decent) |
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it's about the other guys! (also finkelstein rips the streamer several new ones) |
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isn't daniel finkelstein supposed to be umbro's candidate for the messiah? |
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Oh dear god, can you imagine? |
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this is norman finkelstein though, does he share messiah blood? |
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We have established that Norman Finkelstein is not the Messiah. Finally, the XLT led peace process is making some headway. |
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He’s not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy! |
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who? daniel or norman? |
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norman finkelstein is a piece of shit cosying up to holocaust deniers and isn't lex fridman some kind of elon musk stooge or something why would you watch this |
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Brian. But yeah Umbro was talking about Daniel. |
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Brian. But yeah Umbro was talking about Daniel. |
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Damn hospital wifi! |
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Damn hospital wifi! |
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maybe for the other two guys, thought one is a zionist i still haven't managed to watch the finkelstein guy is controversial, don't know about these specific accusations yeah, the host isn't great either |
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Best post in this thread wins a coupon for a free... [squints at coupon] ...bacon pizza?! |
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I love the whole "I hate the Jews and support thieir persecution but I'm not a Nazi" movement. |
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p.s. bacon pizza in the joke because it highlights Muslim-Jewish brotherhood in abstaining from the swine |
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More bacon for me then. Though I did only recently find out you're not meant to eat blood. And I like Black Pudding. |
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Many countries have gone to war for far fucking less than being existentially threatened. Anyone wetting themselves about that? No? |
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Finkelstein doesn't seem too bad to me. a bit odd, yes. it should be noted he's Jewish and his parents were the only holocaust survivors in their families : On Holocaust denial In a July 2020 online discussion with British activists, Finkelstein called Holocaust denier David Irving "a very good historian". Finding insufficient the evidence of Richard J. Evans as the expert witness in Irving's unsuccessful libel action in 2000 against Deborah Lipstadt, who had labeled Irving a Holocaust denier, Finkelstein said Irving had "produced works that are substantive … If you don't like it, don't read it. In the case of Irving, he knew a thing or two—or three".[125] In October 2020, Finkelstein published an extract from his forthcoming book, Cancel Culture, Academic Freedom and Me on his website following the banning of Holocaust denial from Facebook and Twitter. According to Finkelstein, "Holocaust denial should be taught in university and preferably by a Holocaust denier" as a means "to inoculate students" against it. He states: "If one is committed to the purity of truth, not just in its wholeness but also in its parts, then a Holocaust denier performs the useful function of ferreting out 'local' errors, precisely because he is a devil’s advocate—that is, fanatically committed to 'unmasking' the 'hoax of the 20th century.'"[126][127] |
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should be noted because also i didn't know this about him |
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well and it's not irrelevant |
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(also i have looked into this before, i'm pretty sure, because i'm following him on Twitter. probably because bad empanada has mentioned him) |
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Big. Why do you hate Jews? |
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That's great Roger, I hope you're keeping track of these zingers in woke_destroyer.rtf Use Comic Sans to be extra cheeky. |
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why do you hate brown people? (pretty genuine question: islamophobia intersects with that greatly.) also what Fleet says, with 'it is very simple' (i'd include civilians with journalists and kids, though) i started watching: it's very informative and it has some interesting dynamics (like: the zionist is also respected for his historic work, by the other side) |
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well said |
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don't call people "zionists" as a pejorative unless you want to alienate jews (including leftist jews). if what you mean is "supporter of the far right israeli government and the massacre of palestinians", say it as such. |
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Fuck Islam, sure I'm Islamophobic. Who wouldn't be? It's a violent crock of shit. Prove to me it isn't. What do you know about Islam? Bearing in mind they won't let you into their mosque to casually browse their DVDs and browser history. What with you in your pink shorts. |
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i mean it a 'zionist'. his wiki page says he calls himself that. would be odd if he wasn't. like: would be odd to be a scholar and in support of Israel's politics and not be a zionist |
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why would it be that bad, though? i don't think zionism is good. and the far right israel government is rooted in it (as is the state Israel) |
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Most Jews are zionists, ie they believe Israel has a right exist as the home of the Jewish people. You're against that. You'd rather there was yet another failed Islamic state. Why? Because you're a poof. |
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there's plenty of antizionist Jews leave my threads alone, please, go yell in the street |
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or that's what it looks like, now, yelling in the street. a forest would be more preferable, or take up kungfu |
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then why is it a problem for you if someone hates jews? (not that anyone here hates jews) |
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big is responsible for these threads every time. i remember him saying he didn't like the discord because ppl talked politics there in the politics thread (don't remember what it was called) that is now closed and 90 percent of his threads are like this here |
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it very little of my threads, but the threads get too much engagement it's only two threads also the intend of the two threads was benign |
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Shame. You sound like my Dad, who’s a good man but becoming twisted with hatred. Of course there’s good in Muslim faith and Muslim people. What was Christianity up to when it was roughly the age Islam is now? ‘Member? In my worthless opinion it’s all down to interpretation and the fact some rather scary people decided stuff had to be rigorously taken word for word and no interpretation was allowed. Funny how most Islamic terrorists (the ones who actually do the nasty work, not those who plan it) were known to play video games, smoke weed and drink beer. Roger, no one in their right mind would accept terrorism as being the correct way. But I also think it’s extreme to put everyone in the same basket. In its youth Islam was the religion of science, art and poetry. Some people are cunts, that’s all. All over the place. |
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Also I have to agree with big, not all Jewish people believe in the state of Israel as a right. What is it with generalising everything? |
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now that he's a jew he can speak for all of the jews |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_Zionism |
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and so, you know, i'm not a big fan of nations and borders and all, but goys singling out jews and disapproving of them for wanting a jewish state after a couple millennia of persecution is a bit inconsiderate at best |
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but if you want a more practical answer: anyone who's just a tiny bit attuned to antisemitism encounters the word more often as a sort of euphemical than as a meaningful descriptor, and that is how it will come across |
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what about the new york tunnel jews? they didn't let them keep their tunnel either |
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i'll try not using it as a slur i guess i meant political zionist, here, specifically |
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They won't thank me, but what Darius said. |
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honestly, bar some very specific expert contexts, at this point i just don't see how the word could be useful in political discourse, except for raging antisemites to maintain plausible deniability. it's not worth the confusion if you're truly only using it to mean "supporter of the current israeli government" (which is a very reductive usage of a concept that has a very long and very broad history). dan i don't want to ruin our moment but if you can't manage a she i'd really rather be he'd than they'd lol. |
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