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though i was about this on page three of my bullshit thread in 2016, it's probably worth being more direct: - words can be seen as a tool to do a job - the right tool for the right job e.g. if i were to continue with, "not all languages have the right tools" then "tool" would be the wrong, and "word" would be the right: "languages will often have a word for which there is no equivalent in another language." Or there is an equivalent word, but it's so obscure as to be useless. i've made new topics for word requests, and it has . so let's try: If you find yourself saying, "There should be a word for this, if there isn't one" and you can't find the answer yourself, you have a word request. Please post it here; please help others find their words." |
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Disclaimer: As people will be attempting to ask for words that may not exist, please be patient if they come across sounding like me at my worst. Salsa-level bad |
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The word I currently need is most succinctly defined as, "Like 'Signal Chain', but moreso." Imagine you're viewing a framed photographic print. The photographer's domain is The Ansel Adams Signal Chain: [The Camera, The Negative, The Print] Pointedly, Adams packed it in there, and didn't continue on to The Frame, The Lighting, The Art Gallery, The Art Show, The Captions On The Placards, etc. etc. ...I am the sort who would want to control this whole... Signal Chain? and you see my problem. this phrase doesn't cut the yardbird at this depth |
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the closest thing i can think of is this raymond scott quote: The composer must bear in mind that the radio listener does not hear music directly. He hears it only after the sound has passed through a microphone, amplifiers, transmission lines, radio transmitter, receiving set, and, finally, the loud speaker apparatus itself. ...and i do believe i once suggested something like [releasing an album that costs $20k because every copy comes with a $20k sound system to ensure an even experience across listenership] ...however, firmly believe scott shanked badly when he suggested the future would have the composer directly transmitting his thoughts to the listener. that robs people of their own reaction. it'd be like being force-fed cotton instead, i'm interested in creating an "experienc^H^H^H ...and you see my problem, here in this context, the word "experience" smells of both crusty bellbottoms and karen-grade marketing vernacular. i can't have experience in my experience. sorry jimi. sorry karen ...instead, i want to build some giant machine like in Cube 2: Hypercube. except, the meanest thing i could see myself actually trying is "can i make a room that somehow makes people get cross and argue with each other?" so it would heighten the effect of the adjacent rooms intended to trigger [fondness, giggles] i could predictably make them argue, but the topic and style would depend on who was in the room at the time. to do it, however, i'd need to control the lighting. the sounds. is it okay with the gallery if i make the argument room smell like dogshit? because i need to control the whole... signal chain? experience? maybe it's like a waveshaper for people. with simulated annealing |
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...as a close miss: imaging works for photography, i would say. as "imaging" refers to everything... . from getting good light on a shot of someone's [strange mole/growth] -- to post-processing; proper colorspace and resolution --. to ensuring the doctor's computer monitor is color-calibrated [so he can diagnose someone's []] imaging: The Camera, The Negative, The Print, The Frame, The Lighting... we don't have this word for music. or any number of other things. i've been sorting through the usual bin of latin and greek recycling but nothing fits |
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*looks at the word clock* ... *taps foot impatiently* |
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farm-to-plate |
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soup-to-nuts. balls-to-chin nah. but lol |
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when a car has one dead headlight, you say "padiddle" ...but what do you say when one is just significantly dimmer than the other? it's been bothering me all morning |
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fuck cat |
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i was thinking you say pahdihh -- like, padiddle but only the first half of the letters space carts. |
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car |
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a noun for a unit of melody that makes you laugh [ [[ EXAMPLE!! some vsnares track off detrimentalist has a bit where it does... ..the dog mocking you in nintendo duckhunt ...with a 303... ....but it's NOT the rembrandt approach, it's sort of like vector art and a cartoon having a party. so it's not, you know, linearly identical. but if you're the helical scan hed in a VCR, and the whole thing is played back in continuous motion, and we then continuously take discrete samples of that continuous motion, a histogram of the resulting samples approaches a vague approximation of the nintendo duck hunt dog asymptotically¹ ]] ] ¹ i picked "asymptotically" because it was the silliest matching morsel of analytic geometry we had on tap. my vague sense is that it works, but it's technically off as... nevermind. it's simply the silliest word i could come up with that still allows me to remain scientifically credible. |
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I don't think a pure melody could make me laugh. I mean you could make it out of funny squeaks or something, but that's more the squeaks that are funny than the melodic structure. I guess a melody could make me laugh if the context was funny. Like someone playing a super sad bit of the piano super emotionally but in context they're just pathetic like tim heideckers character in on cinema. |
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To be clear I'm not saying a melody can't be funny. It can but it needs the proper context and very specific sound design. I'd go as far as to say classical, orchestral stuff can easily achieve whimsical, but never funny. Unless the conducter was an obvious idiot, but then you're just laughing at him. Melody conveys a lot, buy humor is a tough one. |
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Maybe funny always, always depends on context as a rule. That seems right, to me anyway. |
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To be clear I'm not saying a melody can't be funny. It can but it needs the proper context and very specific sound design. that's a very interesting question -- can a melody be funny, devoid of context? and i suppose that depends on context. perhaps it could be funny to any human ever without context, but dogs don't get it at all. like usual or perhaps it's impossible for a bit of abstract music to be funny outside of context. i would absolutely love to continue on this. HOWEVER this is why i side-stepped the whole matter, and gave a specific example [the nintendo dog, the vsnares song, it's very definitely funny in a reference sort of way -- as i described] because that is a long debate that we will never be solved here and i asked for a word for this, sir. and don't sass me we need to understand it before we word it -- SPACE! what a great word we've worded, here. but, hey -- do we really, actually know what that is? FUCK NO what is word. for a bit of music that's funny and the spirit of this is a nonverbal joke, that is arguably not simply slapstick... i suppose. bonus: "what is a word for a bit of music that isn't funny?" banned hot-tub topic: "what is funny?" |
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bonus: "what is a word for a bit of music that isn't funny?" oh, of course. "autechre" |
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bnc castl is pretty funny imo |
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I thought it stood for Bouncy Castle but then someone no it isn't and I felt ashamed of being naive and having no courage in my convictions. |
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someone *said no it isn't... If Autechre is still on the board, could you please clear the matter up? Phobia's fax machine still works if you want to go via that route. |
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they have done little dry jokes like that before, reniform puls = kidney bean, i thought bnc castl meant bouncy castle too |
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so you guys are gonna just say i thought bnc castl meant bouncy castle and not say what it actually is?? |
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does that sound fair to you?? just leave it like that??? |
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Well, I personally belive it does derive from "Bouncy Castle". I don't recall which arsehole said it wasn't. Probably Sean Booth and one of his dupes. |
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Come on Dickweeds. Let's all try listening to elseq again. |
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I took that as a challenge and I'm listening to Elseq 4. |
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I started with 1 because I stand by my word. I found myself pondering that you can no more criticise it than you can a thunder storm. This brought me little solace. |
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My strategy for reading a book of stories I've failed to make headway with more than once is to start in the middle. Just so for Elseq. Enjoying latentcall atm. |
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i can't crack a single autechre joke without autechre taking over the thred. jesus heck guys again, you've gotten lost. autechre's track names are regularly hilarious. their music is incredibly serious but then even i get lost here they have done little dry jokes like that before, reniform puls = kidney bean, i thought bnc castl meant bouncy castle too ...you say that as if it's happened once or twice. it's more like they can't help themselves. Cichlisuite. Sickly Sweet. it's entangled with a spiral of trainspotting fans hunting for the clever meanings no one's cracked yet [1/5 of watmm's revenue right there]. i should dredge up the thred where i was all "the plc" means "the place" and autechre did this track, because they were somewhere, and -- hey, shit... this is the plc and then someone corrects me, no, it's like the P.L.C. and perhaps like K.L.F. or N.W.A. i dunno and i still like mine better and fuck off. autechre's track names are hilarious. and bnc castl is clearly a palace constructed out of Bayonet Neill–Concelman coaxial cable in the garden, by the shed, on LSD. but i'd have to actually listen to the track to be sure. i don't think i've heard it and i did have to look up what BNC stood for. but, yes, the cabling was my first thot and i've little else. also i still prefer my fake leak of exai to the real album. |
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why is bnc castl funny? to those who remember hearing it before reniform puls is unusually sappy and teary for autechre |
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there is definitely... it's funny, but it's not like the duck hunt dog thing; it's abstract. but it's still funny somehow. i've pulled it off a few times. universally when i'm deep into something and i'm somewhere in the middle of the track and suddenly i see a way it could be funny. or i suddenly hear a way it could be funny if i just... twisted the sound like... anyways, i think i'll have to do it somewhat myself. if an earworm is a good precedent. this is our start. but earjoke? sounds like shit. earlaugh? earl, augh, no. eargiggle? i like this slightly, but despite how the word giggle dominites, people will still be all "earg iggle" and it's not that great. that i feel "ohrwurm" is actually crap compared to "earworm" but maybe it can be serviceable here. Ohrwitz, ear joke part of what makes earworm great is that worm is both a noun and a verb. it is a worm; it worms its way in. like a catchy tune in your ear i suppose a laugh emerges from the belly, instead of worming its way into the skull? is there something that's both a noun and a verb in this zone? in english or german |
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the duck hunt dog thing off of detrimentalist that this is simply what i got in my head, the duck hunt dog going hurr-hurr. because, i have no doubt, the general motion of the 303 sound has a similar form to the original nintendo sound... but, no, it's far from identical. so that's part of the thing. is it actually some sort of sensory percept reference to the duck hunt dog? or is this how my conscious mind interpreted it when it made me laugh? does aeser remember when he played me this track? when i bought his mixer? and i've never heard detrimentalist before, and this is the first song i've heard, and i say: "it's like the duck hunt dog"? does aeser still post to watmm? is he still alive? now that i've banged on it so hard, will he maybe see this and wtf severely hard? or was the duck hunt 303 moment not in kyokushin and i've this whole nonsense incorrect? fascinating questions |
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man, it's like... i'm here for the programming, alright? that this is not a huge deal to me like it would be your average watmm forum member. and i love detrimentalist forever. but the 303 sounds are very thin and unsatisfying like the shrinkwrapped "dinner" one receives on an airplane |
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> car can you believe this word has been taken already? |
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contenders so far 1. Ohrwitz 2. fuck cat |
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...El Sequencer |
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the reason i might actually find that one small moment off detrimentalist is ~drumroll~ i've realized this would work super as a text message alert sound for my fone. so when someone gets on a tear and starts sending bunches of messages in a row... yes, that would sound good. which is very high up there in my criteria for a text alert sound |
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i actually still haven't listened Elseq pulled it up on wikipedia now, and i'm squinting at the album cover and trying to understand what has happened to the ODAN logo? |
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i think i can get this thread back on track what are synonyms for autechre ? |
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...El Sequencer Elseq, that. right? just now, though: El Cid off of Rhythm & Stealth. LCq. Del Leek. LS-Desequencer |
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