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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-27 03:13 [#02629402]
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though i was perfectly unclear about this on page three of my
bullshit thread in 2016, it's probably worth being more
direct:

- words can be seen as a tool to do a job
- the right tool for the right job

e.g. if i were to continue with, "not all languages have the
right tools" then "tool" would be the wrong, and "word"
would be the right: "languages will often have a word for
which there is no equivalent in another language." Or there
is an equivalent word, but it's so obscure as to be
useless.

i've made new topics for word requests, and it has
not gone well. so let's try:


If you find yourself saying, "There should be a word for
this, if there isn't one" and you can't find the answer
yourself, you have a word request. Please post it here;
please help others find their words."



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-27 03:19 [#02629403]
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Disclaimer: As people will be attempting to ask for words
that may not exist, please be patient if they come across
sounding like me at my worst. Salsa-level bad


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-08-19 20:19 [#02629911]
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The word I currently need is most succinctly defined as,
"Like 'Signal Chain', but moreso."

Imagine you're viewing a framed photographic print. The
photographer's domain is The Ansel Adams Signal Chain: [The
Camera, The Negative, The Print]

Pointedly, Adams packed it in there, and didn't continue on
to The Frame, The Lighting, The Art Gallery, The Art Show,
The Captions On The Placards, etc. etc.

...I am the sort who would want to control this whole...
Signal Chain?

and you see my problem. this phrase doesn't cut the yardbird
at this depth


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-08-19 20:28 [#02629912]
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the closest thing i can think of is this raymond scott
quote:

The composer must bear in mind that the radio listener
does not hear music directly. He hears it only after the
sound has passed through a microphone, amplifiers,
transmission lines, radio transmitter, receiving set, and,
finally, the loud speaker apparatus itself.


...and i do believe i once suggested something like
[releasing an album that costs $20k because every copy comes
with a $20k sound system to ensure an even experience across
listenership]

...however, firmly believe scott shanked badly when he
suggested the future would have the composer directly
transmitting his thoughts to the listener. that robs people
of their own reaction. it'd be like being force-fed cotton

instead, i'm interested in creating an "experienc^H^H^H

...and you see my problem, here in this context, the
word "experience" smells of both crusty bellbottoms and
karen-grade marketing vernacular. i can't have
experience in my experience. sorry jimi. sorry karen

...instead, i want to build some giant machine like in Cube
2: Hypercube. except, the meanest thing i could see myself
actually trying is "can i make a room that somehow makes
people get cross and argue with each other?" so it would
heighten the effect of the adjacent rooms intended to
trigger [fondness, giggles]

i could predictably make them argue, but the topic and style
would depend on who was in the room at the time. to do it,
however, i'd need to control the lighting. the sounds. is it
okay with the gallery if i make the argument room smell like
dogshit? because i need to control the whole... signal
chain? experience?

maybe it's like a waveshaper for people. with simulated
annealing


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-08-19 20:44 [#02629914]
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...as a close miss: imaging works for photography, i
would say. as "imaging" refers to everything...

. from getting good light on a shot of someone's [strange
mole/growth]
-- to post-processing; proper colorspace and resolution
--. to ensuring the doctor's computer monitor is
color-calibrated [so he can diagnose someone's []]

imaging: The Camera, The Negative, The Print, The Frame, The
Lighting...

we don't have this word for music. or any number of other
things. i've been sorting through the usual bin of latin and
greek recycling but nothing fits


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-08-21 23:58 [#02629990]
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*looks at the word clock*

...

*taps foot impatiently*



 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2023-08-23 13:46 [#02630010]
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farm-to-plate


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-08-23 20:13 [#02630012]
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soup-to-nuts. balls-to-chin
nah. but lol


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-11-30 15:00 [#02631096]
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when a car has one dead headlight, you say "padiddle"

...but what do you say when one is just significantly dimmer
than the other? it's been bothering me all morning


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2023-11-30 21:50 [#02631106]
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fuck cat


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2023-11-30 21:51 [#02631107]
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car


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-11-30 22:06 [#02631114]
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i was thinking you say pahdihh -- like, padiddle but
only the first half of the letters

space carts.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-12-01 00:33 [#02631118]
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car


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-12-01 04:01 [#02631122]
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carts


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-09 00:16 [#02634680]
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a noun for a unit of melody that makes you
laugh


[ [[ EXAMPLE!!

some vsnares track off detrimentalist has a bit where it
does...
..the dog mocking you in nintendo duckhunt
...with a 303...
....but it's NOT the rembrandt approach,
it's sort of like vector art and a cartoon having a party.
so it's not, you know, linearly identical.
but if you're the helical scan hed in a VCR,
and the whole thing is played back in
continuous motion, and we then continuously
take discrete samples of that continuous motion,
a histogram of the resulting samples approaches
a vague approximation of the nintendo duck hunt
dog asymptotically¹ ]] ]





¹ i picked "asymptotically" because it was the silliest
matching morsel of analytic geometry we had on tap. my vague
sense is that it works, but it's technically off as...
nevermind. it's simply the silliest word i could come up
with that still allows me to remain scientifically credible.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-04-09 02:25 [#02634681]
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I don't think a pure melody could make me laugh. I mean you
could make it out of funny squeaks or something, but that's
more the squeaks that are funny than the melodic structure.

I guess a melody could make me laugh if the context was
funny. Like someone playing a super sad bit of the piano
super emotionally but in context they're just pathetic like
tim heideckers character in on cinema.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-04-09 02:30 [#02634682]
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To be clear I'm not saying a melody can't be funny. It can
but it needs the proper context and very specific sound
design. I'd go as far as to say classical, orchestral stuff
can easily achieve whimsical, but never funny. Unless the
conducter was an obvious idiot, but then you're just
laughing at him.

Melody conveys a lot, buy humor is a tough one.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2024-04-09 02:34 [#02634683]
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Maybe funny always, always depends on context as a rule.
That seems right, to me anyway.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-10 07:48 [#02634714]
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To be clear I'm not saying a melody can't be funny. It
can but it needs the proper context and very specific sound
design.


that's a very interesting question -- can a melody be funny,
devoid of context? and i suppose that depends on context.
perhaps it could be funny to any human ever without context,
but dogs don't get it at all. like usual


or perhaps it's impossible for a bit of abstract music to be
funny outside of context. i would absolutely love to
continue on this. HOWEVER



this is why i side-stepped the whole matter, and gave a
specific example [the nintendo dog, the vsnares song, it's
very definitely funny in a reference sort of way -- as i
described]




because that is a long debate that we will never be solved
here





and i asked for a word for this, sir.

and don't sass me we need to understand it before we word it
-- SPACE! what a great word we've worded, here. but, hey --
do we really, actually know what that is? FUCK NO

what is word. for a bit of music that's funny
and the spirit of this is a nonverbal joke, that is arguably
not simply slapstick... i suppose.

bonus: "what is a word for a bit of music that isn't
funny?"
banned hot-tub topic: "what is funny?"


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-10 07:50 [#02634717]
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bonus: "what is a word for a bit of music that isn't
funny?"


oh, of course. "autechre"


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2024-04-10 10:38 [#02634721]
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bnc castl is pretty funny imo


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2024-04-10 11:14 [#02634722]
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I thought it stood for Bouncy Castle but then someone
no it isn't and I felt ashamed of being naive and having no
courage in my convictions.


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2024-04-10 11:15 [#02634723]
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someone *said no it isn't...

If Autechre is still on the board, could you please clear
the matter up? Phobia's fax machine still works if you want
to go via that route.


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2024-04-10 12:12 [#02634724]
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they have done little dry jokes like that before, reniform
puls = kidney bean, i thought bnc castl meant bouncy castle
too


 

offline mermaidman on 2024-04-10 14:05 [#02634725]
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so you guys are gonna just say i thought bnc castl meant
bouncy castle and not say what it actually is??


 

offline mermaidman on 2024-04-10 14:05 [#02634726]
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does that sound fair to you?? just leave it like that???


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2024-04-10 15:18 [#02634727]
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Well, I personally belive it does derive from "Bouncy
Castle". I don't recall which arsehole said it
wasn't. Probably Sean Booth and one of his dupes.


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2024-04-10 15:22 [#02634728]
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Come on Dickweeds. Let's all try listening to elseq again.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-04-10 15:58 [#02634731]
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I took that as a challenge and I'm listening to Elseq 4.


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2024-04-10 16:08 [#02634732]
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I started with 1 because I stand by my word. I found myself
pondering that you can no more criticise it than you can a
thunder storm.

This brought me little solace.


 

offline Tony Danza from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2024-04-10 16:19 [#02634733]
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My strategy for reading a book of stories I've failed to
make headway with more than once is to start in the middle.
Just so for Elseq. Enjoying latentcall atm.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 00:54 [#02634743]
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i can't crack a single autechre joke without autechre taking
over the thred. jesus heck guys

again, you've gotten lost. autechre's track names are
regularly hilarious. their music is incredibly serious

but then even i get lost here

they have done little dry jokes like that before,
reniform puls = kidney bean, i thought bnc castl meant
bouncy castle too


...you say that as if it's happened once or twice. it's more
like they can't help themselves. Cichlisuite. Sickly Sweet.
it's entangled with a spiral of trainspotting fans hunting
for the clever meanings no one's cracked yet [1/5 of watmm's
revenue right there].

i should dredge up the thred where i was all "the plc" means
"the place" and autechre did this track, because they were
somewhere, and -- hey, shit... this is the plc

and then someone corrects me, no, it's like the P.L.C. and
perhaps like K.L.F. or N.W.A. i dunno and i still like mine
better and fuck off.




autechre's track names are hilarious. and bnc castl is
clearly a palace constructed out of Bayonet
Neill–Concelman coaxial cable in the garden, by the shed,
on LSD. but i'd have to actually listen to the track to be
sure. i don't think i've heard it

and i did have to look up what BNC stood for. but, yes, the
cabling was my first thot and i've little else. also i still
prefer my fake leak of exai to the real album.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 00:54 [#02634744]
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why is bnc castl funny? to those who remember hearing it
before

reniform puls is unusually sappy and teary for autechre


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:19 [#02634745]
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there is definitely... it's funny, but it's not like the
duck hunt dog thing; it's abstract. but it's still funny
somehow.

i've pulled it off a few times. universally when i'm deep
into something and i'm somewhere in the middle of the track
and suddenly i see a way it could be funny. or i
suddenly hear a way it could be funny if i just...
twisted the sound like...

anyways, i think i'll have to do it somewhat myself. if an
earworm is a good precedent. this is our start. but earjoke?
sounds like shit. earlaugh? earl, augh, no. eargiggle? i
like this slightly, but despite how the word giggle
dominites, people will still be all "earg iggle" and it's
not that great. that i feel "ohrwurm" is actually crap
compared to "earworm" but maybe it can be serviceable here.
Ohrwitz, ear joke

part of what makes earworm great is that worm is both a noun
and a verb. it is a worm; it worms its way in. like a catchy
tune in your ear

i suppose a laugh emerges from the belly, instead of worming
its way into the skull? is there something that's both a
noun and a verb in this zone? in english or german


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:29 [#02634746]
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the duck hunt dog thing off of detrimentalist

that this is simply what i got in my head, the duck hunt dog
going hurr-hurr. because, i have no doubt, the general
motion of the 303 sound has a similar form to the original
nintendo sound... but, no, it's far from identical.

so that's part of the thing. is it actually some sort of
sensory percept reference to the duck hunt dog? or is this
how my conscious mind interpreted it when it made me laugh?

does aeser remember when he played me this track? when i
bought his mixer? and i've never heard detrimentalist
before, and this is the first song i've heard, and i say:
"it's like the duck hunt dog"? does aeser still post to
watmm? is he still alive? now that i've banged on it so
hard, will he maybe see this and wtf severely hard? or was
the duck hunt 303 moment not in kyokushin and i've
this whole nonsense incorrect?

fascinating questions


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:31 [#02634747]
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man, it's like... i'm here for the programming, alright?
that this is not a huge deal to me like it would be your
average watmm forum member. and i love detrimentalist
forever. but the 303 sounds are very thin and unsatisfying
like the shrinkwrapped "dinner" one receives on an airplane


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:34 [#02634748]
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> car

can you believe this word has been taken already?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:34 [#02634749]
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contenders so far

1. Ohrwitz
2. fuck cat


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:35 [#02634750]
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...El Sequencer


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:44 [#02634751]
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the reason i might actually find that one small moment off
detrimentalist is ~drumroll~ i've realized this would work
super as a text message alert sound for my fone. so when
someone gets on a tear and starts sending bunches of
messages in a row... yes, that would sound good. which is
very high up there in my criteria for a text alert sound


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:54 [#02634753]
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i actually still haven't listened Elseq

pulled it up on wikipedia now, and i'm squinting at the
album cover and trying to understand what has happened to
the ODAN logo?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-11 01:55 [#02634754]
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i think i can get this thread back on track

what are synonyms for autechre ?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-12 16:31 [#02634823]
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...El Sequencer

Elseq, that. right?
just now, though: El Cid off of Rhythm & Stealth. LCq.
Del Leek. LS-Desequencer


 


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