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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-10 12:05 [#02629163]
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let the wokie win


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-07-10 12:30 [#02629165]
Points: 39139 Status: Regular



I thot you had to treat all people and living life forms the
same. None better, none worse


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-10 13:51 [#02629166]
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please answer my question


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-07-10 13:55 [#02629167]
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EfffffNo. Wookie lyves matter more


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-10 14:28 [#02629168]
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you're on it

this morning i "let the wokie win" from the same part of my
brain that cool band names. then i thot: wait, crap... does
that come across as a slur against black people?

and this is not simple, if you think on it

1) is black person / wookie actually a slur?
2) this doesn't specifically mention black people?
3) so if you're offended by this, i guess you think black
people own the woke movement?

because then you're treating woke and black as fungible.
on top of assuming wookie is a slur¹.




this means what you've done here, th4dDd30uS, is to leap a
few neurons over and imply that black lives matter and woke
are fungible. except black lives matter is clearly black

anyways i was just curious how peopled parsed it and that is
actually a solid response, for, i dunno, kind of taking the
pH reading of it

¹ i don't feel like it is? chewbacca was tall as a baller
and brown so i think everyone simply makes the mental
association naturally. but wookie is a silly word, everyone
loves chewbacca. slurs are supposed to be mean and this is
somewhat charming and cuddly


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-10 14:37 [#02629169]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to recycle: #02629165



I thot you had to treat all people and living life forms
the same. None better, none worse


ha! yesterday, i thot: "you know what? i've not used the AI
stuff to do absolutely anything mean or sketchy at all."²

then i'm thinking: my cool band names, that stuff, they're
really not mean or racist or anything. it's because when one
that's genuinely terrible came out, i thot, "oh, no, that's
dreadful, i can't use that one" and eventually it learned
that these would typically be sent back to the kitchen and i
began to get far less of them.

that i'm down to edge cases like this, really. that i am not
a chatbot, but i have trained a weasel that genuinely loves
sitting in his workshop generating cool band names and feels
that mean ones detract from the purity of the silly

² i should try asking it how to make meth or a bomb, or a
meth bomb, actually, to ensure there aren't still some
built-in limits i've not noticed since i'm nice



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-10 16:04 [#02629172]
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that there's another layer. it sounds like the sort of thing
that could be a meme phrase meaning "eyeroll; it's not worth
arguing with the woke -- let them have it and move on"

1. you simulate the person writing "let the wokie win" as
you parse it -- all of you did; think back on it

B. since it sounds like some q-anon polar opposite of, er,
the woke, and these people very well might think woke-ology
is the same thing as BLM and, thus, before even perceiving a
conscious impression, you've made a judgement about who's
saying this and glued it into a dictionary of how these
sorts think and talk. and these are all stereotypes, in a
sense -- be careful what you put down there

dear geoffrey hinton: once a chatbot can explain why "let
the wokie win" might be considered offensive, then we
have something. your joke thing has thoroughly been shot
down in recent weeks; give me a crack


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-10 16:05 [#02629173]
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anyways i'd appreciate big's thoughts. if only to the first
post in the thred [i dislike assigning homework]


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2023-07-11 15:39 [#02629190]
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i think this thread has been a very striking example of the
maxim "if you have to ask then yes"


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 17:26 [#02629191]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02629190



i gather you're used to having things you say make sense to
other people. i've said very offensive things that offended
no one, because no one understood. if you look through the
mental gymnastics of what you have to get through to find
the phrase of discussion offensive, i think it's genuinely
interesting as a case study w/rt how much active processing
one does when reading without even noticing.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 18:46 [#02629193]
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you also have to get the reference to the original star wars
meme. adding -ie for "wokie" is a diminutive thing like
-chen in german and thus it has a belittling tone to start
with. then you're on xltronic reading an epicmegatrax thred,
and that's been factored in as well.

i'm used to looking at it as part of asking, "will people
get that?" ...or is it too many leaps, as i'm listing out.

recycle's kneejerk reaction was more what i wanted. like i
set off a little grenade in that area of his brain and he
landed at "wookie lyves" and i nod, like, alright, it's
offensive because he posted in a very free and direct way,
no thot whatsover, and he landed there. a sort of pH
reading, like i said. and it answered my question


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 19:47 [#02629194]
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WEAVE SYNDICATE

[...is that in the cool band names thread? i think it's just
something i texted someone around five years ago]

how about that?

there's this thing in the south where black ladies wear
fancy fake wigs called "weaves" and i replied WEAVE
SYNDICATE in response to being texted about a WEAVE HEIST --
seriously, they stole thousands of dollars worth of weaves.
those things are no joke

but i don't think it's offensive because a) it's so
flagrantly absurd to be funny even if you don't get that b)
weaves are a thing in the south

welcome to my life.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 20:31 [#02629195]
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...if i opened with WEAVE HEIST and [reader] knows how
genuinely expensive weaves can be, [reader] will know that
this could be a real event: "that happened over there a few
years back, yeah"

i then go from WEAVE HEIST to WEAVE SYNDICATE, [reader]
would be like "lol wtf that's wacky" and not even realize
this stemmed from two very silly gentlemen texting back and
forth and trying to one-up each other with absurdity: the
WEAVE SYNDICATE fomented the WEAVE HEIST. oh. there is logic
to this

no? alright


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 20:43 [#02629196]
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...WEAVELORD

i'm going to text him that right now


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 21:16 [#02629197]
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now i can't stop. i'm changing to go out for a bit and:
well, the WEAVELORD may run the WEAVE SYNDICATE but he's not
as big as the WEAVE CARTELS and then we have the bond
villian level, W.E.A.V.E.

of course you need a matching arc of law enforcement
agencies to counteract this hierarchy, with Intergalactic
Weave Command at the top of the pyramid. see if you can work
your way back down to the street from there


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 21:51 [#02629198]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02629197



see if you can work your way back down to the street from
there


tried this myself on a walk, and it's not easy. it's
actually quite a bumpy ride getting busted down all the way
from INTERGALACTIC WEAVE COMMAND to a mere WEAVE CADET.
like: WEAVE DETECTIVE? that's crap. it has no sauce. maybe
if we go british? WEAVE INSPECTOR -- yes, money

...what were we talking about again?

oh, right. is INTERGALACTIC WEAVE COMMAND offensive?







....because it completely excludes those who wair a
hairpiece instead?


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-11 23:08 [#02629202]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



It's sometimes worthwhile to be offensive to broad groups/
people who identify foremost as group x. Not for their
immutable traits mind you, but for their consistently self
righteous and authoritarian attitudes. I don't respect your
stupid lame ass group, whatever it is, whatever you
"identify as".

But it's almost always rude to be offensive directly to an
individual, unless they really have it coming.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-11 23:15 [#02629204]
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I think the most pathetic thing from the woke area is the
notion of being in a "protected group because I identify as
x." What a fucking beta bitch concept.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-11 23:20 [#02629205]
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was originally gonna be a nicer one in SF (a short ferry
ride from my buddy's house) but I opted for this closer one
in the east bay that he vouches for. It's probably better
for a beginner and less $$$ for something I might end up
hating. We'll see how it goes.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-11 23:22 [#02629206]
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^mispost. Sushi post.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-11 23:23 [#02629208]
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extra points for me catchup up to thad's 40k


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-11 23:50 [#02629210]
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> I don't respect your stupid lame ass group, whatever
it is, whatever you "identify as".


how feel you about california's potential slavery
reparations?


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-11 23:59 [#02629211]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02629210



even the most hardline liberals around here think it's the
stupidest thing ever. Newsome walked it back after how crazy
the "reparations task force" suggestions got.

it was like $5 million for any black resident that had a
family member as a slave (we're talking what... 5-6
generations out?)

elimination of child support debt for black residents

people on the reparations panel were even saying shit like
white men are a danger to society (thus reparations neede....

It's just embarrassing man. How can I vote for any
progressive when they're like this. I don't WANT chris
christie either (I think you made a funny analogy that he's
like a lead pipe wielding goon, agreed), but this shit is
way more annoying to me.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 01:31 [#02629212]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular



i went on some long rant about it, so i was kind of curious.
that, yes, it was just because i wrote forever. so i'll sum
it up:

- the danger of money has no skin color. if you write checks
to people en masse for more than a few grand you're getting
children drunk in a wood cabin and giving them matches. i
think i said anything more than $5k is insane to send anyone
because a drug hobby could become a habit and etc

- the disconnection between the guilty, the recipients, and
the crime. it was all a long time ago. some black people
were... oreos? and profited off of slavery. like the danger
of money, greed gets all races here and there. so how do you
determine that these turncoats don't get the payout? but
this is just an attempt at crystallizing how this is
actually pretty random and probably mostly not going where
it should

- it will bring nothing but resentment from people paying
taxes seeing their neighbor buying a new car just because
they're black. that's just fucking unfair


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 01:34 [#02629213]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular



as a california resident, can you please, for the love of
synthesizers, get them to stop putting that fucking P52
warning tag on EVERYTHING, and just, ugh, this is a patch
cable? you hippie shits?

recently i went on a tear and went about the house removing
all the warning labels from, like, everything. i've ignored
them for too long


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 01:36 [#02629214]
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DO NOT REMOVE THIS WARNING LABEL
why? in case i forget that slamming an electrical cable in a
door is bad, and all the time i spend reading and re-reading
these labels will help?

at least that can be explained by lawyers and liability. the
p52 tag is probably responsible for tons of environmental
waste because of all those fucking warning tags on
everything. take that.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:01 [#02629215]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02629214



what ACTUALLY offends you epic? It can't honestly be the p52
warning tags--- most people would just ignore those.

I'm trying to think for my own case.
One time someone here, probably in 2010 or so said "oh
Wolfslice- that's the guy who likes ICP? no one should
listen to anything he says, ever." I forget who said it. I
found that offensive, or at least, my feelings were slightly
hurt, at the time. But that's cause there wasn't even any
humor in it. Just kind of a piece of shit thing to say.
Marlowe says a good deal of humorless piece of shit
sanctimonious stuff, which is why I single him out a bit.

But it's gotta be a direct personal insult.
To be offended at this though? Fucking glad your
offended, fuck off. This where we're at right now in the US
and I believe the wokest peeps in Western Europe as well.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:03 [#02629216]
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you're.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:04 [#02629217]
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you just see someone with that hairstyle in the photo and
it's like a poisonous snake. do not approach for any reason


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:06 [#02629218]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



that hair used to mean like punk, anti authority etc.

now it means maximum authoritarian borderline ccp shill,
disagree and you're a nazi


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 02:13 [#02629220]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02629215



what ACTUALLY offends you epic? It can't honestly be the
p52 warning tags--- most people would just ignore
those.


yes. there is one reason that should be entirely
understandable to people here: WARNING TAGS ON EVERY PATCH
CABLE MEAN WARNING TAGS EVERYWHERE BECAUSE PATCH CABLES ARE
EVERYWHERE

that, exactly, i ignored them. then suddenly, there are just
so many, and i saw the fnords, and FUCK these things are
everywhere and they're just such useless crap?

so, second reason, still understandable: this is simply
putting more plastic trash in the ocean. because they're
always these impossible, tenacious, superglued loops

third reason: when you want to remove them, they're ^^ 3a)
annoying as shit 3b) leave residue

fourth reason, perhaps harder to grok: your mind is
processing everything in your field of view at least
somewhat, and, i dunno, if you had me come around and remove
all the things i didn't approve of, stopping at minor
changes like removing labels, your feeling would be, like "i
feel relieved for some reason"

...and the ones on window fans and extension cables, that's
because of idiots and lawyers and idiots with lawyers. but
the p52 tag is like just like CALI LAW SEZ THIS MIGHT and,
you know what? either get it banned or stfu. because the
warning genuinely has no impact as anyone, and adds to the
contents of landfills. and it's ugly, and when it's on every
patch cable in a pack you're fucking batshit yo?


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:24 [#02629221]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02629220



lol.

well, I'll officially withdraw the claim that the p52 tags
can't be an offending agent.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:41 [#02629222]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



gotta look at it long term

at some point in earth's history, humans will be completely
extinct.

the p52 tags will have been long degraded, the elements put
back to use through natural processes.

human made climate change will equalize and correct itself.
the earth will warm (warmer than now) and cool many times
over

the sun will engulf the earth as a red giant, deleting our
planet.

the sun will die

the universe will reach a heat death equilibrium.

is it nilhilism or straight up facts? were too focused on
right now and some little tag right infront of us.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:46 [#02629223]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



and also if your view is that the spent p52 tags are going
to make it worse for earth's life in say, 2 generations

what about 2 generations previous?

The people that haven't been born yet are the same as those
who have already died. They don't exist.

And why is 2 generations ahead more valuable to us than 20
generations ahead?

It's a psychological trick. King's statistically more likely
to kill off 2nd cousins than immediate family. We're
designed to look to the near future, but it's just a innate,
evolved preservation mechanism, it has no meaning beyond the
subjective.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 02:49 [#02629224]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



p52 tags


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 03:31 [#02629225]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02629222



gotta look at it long term

....

is it nilhilism or straight up facts? were too focused on
right now and some little tag right infront of us.


you've failed to consider another option: what if this is
all a simulation?

within a simulation?
within a simulation?

...because, if you consider it possible we're all living in
a simulation, then you're forced to conclude it's just as
possible the simulation of the universe could contain other
simulations of the universe

and can we get something like the drake equation to
determine approximately how many layers deep we are? you'd
obviously need to use limits


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 03:34 [#02629226]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02629223



and also if your view is that the spent p52 tags are
going to make it worse for earth's life in say, 2
generations


that part was really more, "...and i can think of another
reason, that, while not particularly on my mind, should kick
the cali hippies right in their... ego"


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 03:44 [#02629227]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02629221



well, I'll officially withdraw the claim that the p52
tags can't be an offending agent.


on every patch cable in a pack; this is a system run amok.
that i was normal and ignored them. in fact, i literally did
not consciously see them. they'd been there for a while and
were tuned out p52 overdid it to such an extent that it
blocked my view of what i was doing, and at that point it
was all ruined and i just saw warning labels everywhere i
looked. i removed them all, and mused, "it feels like the
house just took a dump; it feels relieved." or it was
smoother. i dunno. i'm just a cybernetics researcher


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 04:23 [#02629228]
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Q: P52?
A: Weave better things to do


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 04:35 [#02629230]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



The hippies all became yuppies over 40 years.

Went from freewheeling love and peace to shareholder
meetings about p52 tag litigation.

What happens to the woke progressives in 40 years tho?
Nowhere to go but up, I'd say.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-07-12 04:45 [#02629231]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



Hunter s Thompson pinpointed the exact turning point and
turned it into a true work of art.

Then he had the foresight to off himself before this
terrible 2nd wave hit in full force.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 17:47 [#02629236]
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yes, yes, see dennis hopper going from easy rider to
pharmaceutical commercials. arguably the greatest generation
is who got us into space; the children of the 60s just went
and did loads of drugs on haight-ashbury and then turned
into that

do not have high hopes for the "the woke progressives in 40
years tho"


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 17:50 [#02629237]
Points: 22898 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02629231



thompson killed himself because he was in constant physical
pain, miserable, and his suicide note was something like, "i
already gave you bastards ten more years than i wanted to
stick around, i can't do anything anymore, stop being
selfish and let me go" and it actually strikes me as one of
calmest, orderly suicides on record. he called his wife to
say goodbye, but didn't upset her. someone heard the gunshot
but thought it was a book falling off the shelf. johnny depp
spent millions giving him the funeral he wanted. i know it's
strange to say this and mean it as a compliment, but i think
he did a very good job. respectful, tidy, no loose ends


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 18:33 [#02629240]
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contrast that to gen x's kurt cobain, where people will be
forever arguing and dreaming up conspiracy theories. my
personal take: courtney love was bored of him and he might
have lived if he'd found another solid girl. but meanwhile
he fucking hated fame and people were trying to get him off
heroin as he was increasingly on more. he did the math after
escaping some facility and concluded he'd get chained up
again, and that was it. but he never explained it, he was
running from those around him at the time, and so it's this
mess that's frustrating to everyone. thompson, though, you
just sadly nod and say, "i understand, i understand" and
"i've given you 17 years i didn't want, stop being selfish"
is like: i know you love me, and i stuck around because i
love you for as long as i could tolerate. that emotions of
his family would still be what they would be but somehow
that might have taken some of the sting out of it


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-07-12 18:35 [#02629241]
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prince is another one. i think his handlers cut him off from
his usual supply of opiates in an attempt to get him sober,
so he went over to dodgy fake oxy pills. someone were weak
and did nothing, others a double dose. he knew what he was
doing with opiates, but he was a little dude, and the
inconsistent mix on his dodgy pills walked him right into an
OD. if his minders had let him keep on the good shit he
might still be around. is this a controversial opinion?
totally serious about this


 


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