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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 05:44 [#02627256]
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offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-05-07 14:00 [#02627295]
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When you’re going to kill people remember the rule.

KILL YOURSELF FIRST.
Then kill others

But always kill yourself first!!!

😥😥


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 15:21 [#02627303]
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raffi wrote bananaphone. i think we need a rule about
writing songs like that as well


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-07 15:27 [#02627304]
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LAZY_TITLE ~ true fact. i used to post on the forum
fucksociety.ca run by the deplorable dave teatro. i'm sure
he's in a gutter somewhere, eating spoonfuls of lard from a
tub. same as back then, really

a lighthearted interlude. i'm cheering for texas, so i can
post "1" tomorrow


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-08 05:48 [#02627327]
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Death toll increases to 8 after car plows into a crowd in
front of a Texas shelter that was housing migrants


[1] Day Since A Texas Shooting


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-08 07:19 [#02627331]
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i was just thinking, that... you know... DeSantis was kind
enough to bus Massachusetts some migrants all the way from
Texas. i think it'd be only fair if Massachusetts returned
the favor and bussed a clue down to the south


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-05-08 08:16 [#02627333]
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"The attack is one of at least 199 mass shootings this year
in the US with four or more people shot"

what?!
:(


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-05-08 14:54 [#02627335]
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Yeah ameican a and guns are fucking out of control
😥😥

That’s what happens with the nra

And every 5 year old playing shooter guns
They arnt all bad but it can’t……

Parents need to teach their kids right from wrong!!


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-08 22:43 [#02627336]
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i did pause for a moment before making this thread. like:
this could be a bit of a crazy ride when it regularly fails
to make it past 2-3 days

...and, first day: "Welllll... that's not technically a
shooting" -- already we're off to the races, here.

"The attack is one of at least 199 mass shootings this
year in the US with four or more people shot"

what?!
:(


i had the exact same reaction when i read this a week or so
ago. which is part of why i did make the thread


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 02:25 [#02627352]
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i found a copy of the vid -- i think reddit, they're about
who is left to get it from, before torrent, without entering
a personal phone number to prove your age. it's
simultaneously clear and ambiguous: this is very definitely
either A) he aimed for them and floored it, and he's an
idiot and didn't realize the curb would flip his car at that
speed, or B) he was loaded and half nodded off, sagging into
the gas pedal as he's running a red light

and i actually lean towards B, simply because there's not
really much reaction from him. the car is on a straight,
direct line towards these people, but there's neither an
attempt to aim nor avoid. mostly it's just the completely
placid, utter lack of reaction as shit goes horrid -- even
if it were deliberate, any sober driver would have twitched
and at least attempted to keep the car in control instead of
sleepily letting it all happen like a halcion dream

i watch these things when i feel the news is too full of
shit and it's important i take a moment to make up my own
mind about the matter, from the only direct evidence
available. on that level, this one's actually not too bad.
not close enough to be genuine traumatizing. but i've still
saved you from watching it, if you trust my assessment


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 02:48 [#02627353]
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probably the most surreal one of these [no, really, just
don't] videos was the new zealand guy. because he sounded
exactly like the EEVBlog guy, who i've spent
countless hours watching. and when i say it sounded exactly
like him, i mean he's even narrating it aloud as he shoots
people like the EEVBlog guy.

that one, i downloaded because there was some fit about it
being available online, and i was really just being a bit,
like, fuck you.

and i was utterly not expecting what i got. that the guy
himself, like, treats this all as a lark. someone on SA
tastelessly loaded the doom music over this and added gfx so
it's like he's in an FPS [didn't watch that one, just read
of it] and, yeah, absolutely.

so that one, believe it or not, isn't bad either. but
combined with the EEVBlog guy voice and chipper attitude, it
was... dissociative. uncomfortably. despite how you really
don't see any gore.

i've never watched the really bad stuff, terrorist beheading
etc. there's no mystery to solve there [these people are
violent shitheads] but NZ guy i just needed to see what the
fuss was about. probably the only one that truly haunts me,
actually, is a guy electrocuting himself standing on top of
a train somewhere in india. i won't describe it any further.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 02:50 [#02627354]
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^^ pretty much, i've made this thread, i should clarify
where i sit on it all etc. and there you go.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 03:29 [#02627355]
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alright. the dismal state of current affairs is: i'm
relieved to say i think the guy in the land rover was just
drugs. that this is a relief. because i don't think it was
intentional

i realized: i've seen it before with my own eyes. there was
a guy on a local highway, and i have my eye on this
gentleman because he's driving... weird. like, i'm waiting
for him to fuck up badly, weird. quietly keep my distance.
we come to a light at an apartment complex the size of rhode
island, and he stops at the red light perfectly well

then, fifteen or twenty seconds later... he just starts
going. as if the light turned green. right into some lady's
car. i was on the fence about whether i should stop myself,
given i was a lane over and, like, four cars behind... but,
no, other people are on it already; i'd rather not be a part
of this. i drove back that way an hour later and saw the guy
sitting in the driver's seat of his destroyed car -- legs
out the door, sideways -- being grilled by both cops and
paramedics

and now that i think about it: he's stuck at a red light and
he uses this as a chance to insufflate some opiates and/or
downers. then he nods off. and leans on the gas pedal

that i always figured that guy was loaded and thought the
light turned green, for whatever reason. but, no, that was
about the amount of time you'd need to do a few bumps and
start to pass out

a few more hours, texas, and we can add a day. fingers
crossed


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-05-09 05:03 [#02627358]
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us population is 331,000,000.

There are probably more than 199 that literally had sex with
their own grandmother in that time.

just for some perspective.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 06:28 [#02627359]
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that was referring to the number of mass shootings, which is
defined as shootings in which four or more got shot, i
believe.

and i didn't even specify "mass shootings" i just said
"since a texas shooting" but if i covered the small ones too
we'd run out of disk space on the board.

[2] Days Since A Texas Shooting


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 06:53 [#02627360]
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have you ever seen the Jason Stateham new version of Death
Race? solidly ok movie. but at the start, there's a scene
where a bunch of blue collar guys are getting stiffed out of
back pay after being laid off by Exploitative Corporation,
angry yelling. Then a whole grip of cop cars descend on the
scene, cops start pouring out of them like bees, and now
everyone's duking it out in a riot.

And Jason Stateham says -- please hear this in Jasson
Stateham voice in your head; this matters irrationally much
to me

like clockwork.

there are already news articles like "gun owner at mall
shooting now wants gun control" and meanwhile the vast
majority of them that weren't at the mall that day are like
AW HELL NO and so the desire to tamp down on the insanity
will likely unleash some proper insanity over the
next few weeks/months. and buckle in


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 06:54 [#02627361]
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ironicly the quickest way to get AR's banned, actually


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 07:07 [#02627362]
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i guess it's worth stating my opinion on the other side of
the situation unequivocally: i support your right, as an
american, to sleep with a glock under your pillow. but a 9mm
and a backup for home defense; a hunting rifle... i see no
argument for much beyond that.

oh, people are collectors? stuff off. collect guitars or
something like a normal person.

something something, make it incredibly expensive to own
more than three guns. $50/year fee. fourth $500. fifth $5k.
sixth and already most people are priced out

but the real problem is all the shit guns. people know
grandpa has seven guns and he won't miss the one behind the
cereal box in the cupboard. or guns that are mostly broken
and taped together and used once and thrown out. these do a
lot more damage than ARs. but no one goes into a mall with
grandpa's vintage luger either

i generally favor practicality


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-05-09 07:31 [#02627363]
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theres numbers on guns in the house aswell
surely they dont look very good either.

my mother recently had a family drama on the lawn of the
midi highrise she has a flat in. the father who had a
restraining order was circled by special forces after he
went out so seek his child and exwife with a gun.
red dots all over the grass until he shot himself in the
chest.

the local bank atm got blown up multiple times each of the
past years and her neighbour was stolen 30.000 cash from her
flat at gunpoint (although everyones guess is insurance
fraud in this one)

this is a rather new development. afaik none of us thought
or talked about getting armed and i wouldnt see what the
benefit was. it only increases the risk of getting shot or
accidents or the occasional murder.



 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 08:26 [#02627364]
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that i'm a yankee and i'll admit limits on my understanding
of the south. but you go up to the boonies in western mass,
or off to maine, and there's an Appalachian variant of the
same thing -- except up here, we're not hospitable. we're
quite rude

but the real thing i'd hone in on is

theres numbers on guns in the house aswell surely they
dont look very good either.


the abundance of guns is a problem that can be addressed
without violating peoples' second amendment rights, which
i've clearly stated i support. how many guns do you
reasonably need? being a collector, well, fuck off. can i
collect hydrogen bombs in my shed too?

so then i say: the first three, perfunctory administrative
fee. $50/year. won't even cover the paperwork. because we're
not trying to stop you from sleeping with a glock under your
pillow. i never would, but if a roommate wanted to i'd
merely shrug. then you have a backup. a hunting rifle. the
fourth gun, a more fun one for the weekend, perhaps, now
that's $500 a year and still most can afford that. the
fifth, though, $5k a year, and suddenly you're thinking
about which ones matter most and you've trimmed your
collection down.

there are probably things like this that have been
suggested, even tried, and gone down in flames. i'm just
saying what i feel is reasonable. and i'll note i deeply
resent being told what to do as much as anyone.

and with all the craziness, well, i wouldn't blame you for
sleeping with a glock under your pillow. but you're just
taking the piss when you say you need an AR

...blowing up an ATM? christ. odd timing just today i was
thinking how the bank ATM is not only in the card-access iso
bubble, but built into the wall of the bank so no one can...
nevermind, guess they still can


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 08:41 [#02627365]
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i'll be a complete nerd and say: what's an ATM have in it,
$10-20k? guessing. the classic is thieves rent a forklift,
pick up the ATM, carry it off, withdraw the cash at their
own convenience somewhere more private. the shit expensive
ATMs at gas stations, obviously, free-standing little shits,
probably have far less.

meanwhile, if you're blowing up the wall of a bank to get to
an ATM's nutty innards... for $10-20k... with inflation
costs, explosives are expensive, and... that's a lot of
risk, a lot of effort, for what i see that clearing. sounds
rough out there


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 09:18 [#02627366]
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i've never actually fired a gun. but i'm a bit of an
obsessive sort, and there have been multiple stretches where
i actually got, like, almost vaguely good at CounterStrike.
and as such, i have some fond feelings about both glocks and
the krieg. i can translate my gushing love over synths, that
few really seem to understand, to guns, in light of these
feelings from just a game. if synthesizers could kill you
might have a point in saying, "but what if i tried to limit
the number of synths you have?" -- but they can't, and you
don't


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 09:44 [#02627367]
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had some good debates with the roomate who... not under his
pillow, but there were definitely a bunch of guns under his
bed.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 12:02 [#02627369]
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further refinements to my well-intended vision that will
never actually happen

you know what? if you are over 21 and i'm confident
safety/security is taken seriously, you should be able to go
to a place and fire a freaking howitzer if you want. but it
can't leave the premises. for something that dangerous you
need two guys watching you, new jobs for people that are so
obsessed with the big stuff they can't leave it for just the
weekend. for an AR, i guess a single minder will do. but it
has to be a good minder, and they have to be paid well.

meanwhile, instead of going to $50k for gun six we just keep
it at $5k a gun from there. then we take the money from oil
billionaires being "ppf!" and retaining their 200-gun
collection and send the cash to the california reparations
thing.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 12:29 [#02627370]
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that you'll probably need some exceptions. that i'm putting
on my stern judge face, peering over old man glasses, and
"why do you need this exception? you need six different
kinds of really weird esoteric guns for dispatching
livestock? show me references? ok, weird, it's actually a
thing, ok, exception granted." next case: "you need some
fancy gun you saw in a movie because deer wander on to your
property sometimes? denied"

i'd be a good judge until i got bored and began messing with
people, really.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 12:46 [#02627372]
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that i maintain we'll never make it to having star trek
replicators because there's no way you can stop some bipolar
nut like the guy from 13 Monkeys from building something
civilization-grade bad; as soon as we get even close we'll
all be dead.

people are saying this about the current arc of AI stuff but
they're underestimating how much it'll take to... well, i
tried having it write some python code for me, and it was
utter shit. but if you can't code at all it probably seems
good

i won't even share the details for obvious reasons, but i
was just thinking: if i were so motivated, how much damage
could i do before anyone stops me? i'm confident i could
raze an area the size of rhode island at least.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 13:00 [#02627374]
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you know what actually terrifies me? and people either
laugh... or ask me what it means, and then they laugh?

another carrington event

at least it'd cancel netflix


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 13:02 [#02627375]
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Boston operator (to Portland operator): "Please cut
off your battery [power source] entirely for fifteen
minutes."

Portland operator: "Will do so. It is now disconnected."

Boston: "Mine is disconnected, and we are working with the
auroral current. How do you receive my writing?"

Portland: "Better than with our batteries on. – Current
comes and goes gradually."


will this also work with my fiber link?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 14:10 [#02627378]
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i guess i'm saying: there are things worse than texas, and
far more credible disasters to consider than AI apocalypse.

the recent test of musk's "starship" ended in what was
cheekily described as "a rapid unscheduled disassembly,"
e.g. it fucking exploded. in the same manner, feb 2022, 40
starlink satellites also experienced a rapid, unscheduled
disassembly as they found themselves unable to weather a
solar storm and burned up in the atmosphere.

and if we get a good 'un -- why, yes, amazon is launching
zillions of satellites of their own too, and six other
companies are also doing this -- and oh hello they're all
raining down from the sky. that they will probably burn up
in the atmosphere and not actually rain flaming garbage on
anyone. the planet is actually large enough that it's more
likely to hit the ocean than land

however, any planes currently in the air will not
conveniently burn up in the atmosphere, and will be far less
likely to crash down in unpopulated areas.

have a nice day


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2023-05-09 15:47 [#02627380]
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personally, my guess and statistically proven seems to be
less guns, means less deaths by guns. so decreasing the
number is probably a good idea. i dont remotely see the
necessity to have 1-4 guns without a greater hassle, but if
the majority of u.s. people choses its what they want (or
more as it is), its their decision.

as with counterstrike etc., i played a lot of shooters in my
life and fancied the (secret) toy gun in my childhood never
transfered that into real life. guess the pacifist attitude
of my upbringing was greater. or maybe i just feel like
having guns is kind of dangerous and foolish at times.

back to politics: we dont want a general speed limit in
germany, which would result in less accidents and reduce co2
without further cost, but people with fast cars wouldnt be
allowed to go fast. its a weird comparison but the death
toll about equal in the u.s.. in 2021 the u.s. had roughly
the same amount of deaths in traffic as with guns (about
45.000) guns was leading by a margin of 2.000 or so, thats
why i brought it up without further point.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 20:38 [#02627394]
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personally, my guess and statistically proven seems to be
less guns, means less deaths by guns. so decreasing the
number is probably a good idea. i dont remotely see the
necessity to have 1-4 guns without a greater hassle, but if
the majority of u.s. people choses its what they want (or
more as it is), its their decision.


exactly. i picked my numbers deliberately. there is not a
snowflake's chance in hell we will never get all guns
banned, not in the current climate. if you tried to put me
in charge of everything, i'd promptly resign -- too much
work, thanks -- but if you put a gun to my head (seems and
apt metaphor) i'd take away everything immediately. then i'd
go around and interview people lightly, nothing invasive,
and if they seem reasonably sane give them back one handgun
and a hunting rifle. anyone impatient or rude gets no
supper; no guns.

but this is america. this is reality. and back when, i spent
a year and a half living with a gun nut... who was very
sharp, and delighted in arguing just as much as i did. that,
effectively, over that time, we both put a lot of deep work
into getting very clever with each other, and it was
actually kind of strange when, after, i dunno, a year, we
started hitting "i actually agree" and then it's just an
awkward silence and we sip beer with no words because we're
both not really sure what comes after that

so:

- three guns of the [handgun, rifle, shotgun] class for a
fee so low the govt loses money -- to make it SUPER CLEAR
we're not stopping you from pushing it right up to the line
of "how many guns makes sense"
- fourth gun $500/year, covers the money we lost, still
affordable, more slack for gun fans
- fifth gun and every gun after $5k/year what are you doing
with this many guns
- reasonably efficient hearing process to potentially get
fees waived but no funny business mister
- you can fire a howitzer at a range but it can't leave the
premises


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 21:02 [#02627395]
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as with counterstrike etc., i played a lot of shooters in
my life and fancied the (secret) toy gun in my childhood
never transfered that into real life. guess the pacifist
attitude of my upbringing was greater. or maybe i just feel
like having guns is kind of dangerous and foolish at
times.


that's kind of it. it's a real toss-up, i have to concede --
not even shooters in general, but particularly
counterstrike. they changed the names after lawsuits, but
they're all real guns, effectively. the knives too
[reportedly gabe newell has/had a massive collection of them
in his office]

but that CS has given me a fondness for glocks despite never
having even fired a gun... like, thanks, glock. you've been
so good to me. as i hunt people down

i've never really felt an urge to get a glock, or any gun.
i've never fired one. i would, probably, if the opportunity
came up for free. but i really don't care much; it'd be more
"oh sure cool" and then probably "check i've done that" and
i still probably wouldn't want to buy one.

however, the fondness -- i'd argue counterstrike is actually
a good answer if you want to use an AR but we've all
sensibly given them up

but the hunting people down. when you're on a server where
people yell at each other constantly, but it's just you and
one other guy left, cat and mouse, and everyone is just...
fucking quiet. sneaking around, throw a grenade through a
window to make some noise and creep back the other way.
however... when it's just you and one other guy, and he's
simply a lucky n00b... i guess this is how cats feel playing
with mice? strange. exciting. and perhaps it is a bit too
real

but it's been a game for 20 years and there's no unringing
that bell. and overall, i think it's an appropriate
replacement for owning an AR once they get banned -- for
whatever reason. it's inevitable


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 21:05 [#02627396]
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back to politics: we dont want a general speed limit in
germany, which would result in less accidents and reduce co2
without further cost, but people with fast cars wouldnt be
allowed to go fast. its a weird comparison but the death
toll about equal in the u.s.. in 2021 the u.s. had roughly
the same amount of deaths in traffic as with guns (about
45.000) guns was leading by a margin of 2.000 or so, thats
why i brought it up without further point.


are you saying # of german traffic deaths equal # of
american gun deaths? or that # of american gun deaths and #
of american traffic deaths are equal?

i'm not sure what your point is, but germans can drive cars
properly, don't fuck with the autobahn


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 21:09 [#02627397]
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reduce co2

do germans like electric cars? i'd actually never even
considered this. i have to say, i'm not sure how to call it.
i'd lean towards no. part of fährengnugen are the resonant
harmonics of the internal combustion engine, and, in asking
germans to go electric, you're going up against something
like those beer purity laws that are hundreds of years old


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 21:23 [#02627398]
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co2:go

no, original, thx... but there's an entire discussion to be
had around where CS can .go with presence, in the VR sense
of the word.

it happens in other games, but CS is the only one where i
can just reliably... feel someone staring at me. feel
someone around the corner. that i'll still reliably go and
walk right into it sometimes just to see if i'm crazy and
imagining it. and i'm not. and it's certainly not the
graphics, which are actually celebrated for being somewhat
crap.

that's a full-bore tangent, though: CounterStrike as a study
in next-level telepresence


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 22:29 [#02627399]
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you know what actually terrifies me? and people either
laugh... or ask me what it means, and then they laugh?

another carrington event


you know why government actually terrifies me? because
they're only as good as the information they have, and they
have, right now, this, it seems:

In June 2013, a joint venture from researchers at Lloyd's
of London and Atmospheric and Environmental Research (AER)
in the US used data from the Carrington Event to estimate
the cost of a similar event in the present to the US alone
at US$600 billion to $2.6 trillion (equivalent to $698
billion to $3.02 trillion in 2021"

so this is an estimate from JUNE 2013 and someone on
wikipedia has simply used a currency calculator to convert
$2.6t to 2021 dollars, $3.02t

and if you want to know how hopeless i am -- that, like, i
do get stuff done. but like a magnet, i come back here
because.... $3.02t?! and no, fuck off

did people use the internet as much in 2013? did absolutely
everyone ever have a smartphone in 2013? were all cars small
rolling server farms in 2013? did as many people work from
home in 2013, as did when wikipedia just used some online
calculator to update your 2013 estimate to 2021 dollars?

suffice to say it's putting it lightly to say $3.02t is
probably a bit low, and how hopeless i am -- i actually
remembered the specific number and i'm fucking mad about
this number and dammit i'm walking back upstairs to post
this.

and i'm terrified that the government is all hurrDeDurr
assuming that some assessment of how people depend on
computerized crap made in 2013 is still relevant for policy
today. and i'd be right to be terrified. and you can't shoot
solar flares. guns are right out as a solution there


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-09 22:31 [#02627400]
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a lot of this would be more digestible if i could edit
posts. if i could i'd kind of feel obligated to. however,
since i can't, i'm off the hook.


 


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