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Limits of Knowledge

offline welt on 2023-04-08 09:30 [#02626519]
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So … let’s accept that human reason is not able to
comprehend ultimate reality.

--> Modern argument: Human reason is bound to to the
human perspective. It can show the world as it reveals
itself to a human subject, but not as it is in itself. I can
understand the sun as it presents itself as an object of
knowledge to a reasonable human subject equipped with the
knowledge of astrophysics, but never as it is in itself.
(Kant and so on.)

--> Medieval argument: Human reason can understand
the objects of the world as they are. But it cannot
understand God. God, however, is the ultimate reality (Moses
Maimonides, bin Arabi and so on).

How can we go on from here? Both the modern and medieval
perspective agree that if reason is used rigorously it leads
to the limits of reasons and we have to accept that there
are some things we do not and cannot reasonably know.

Solution a: Pragmatism. You stop caring about
ultimate reality and just figure out “what works” and
helps your interest. Problem with this view: I am
“paradoxically” not interested in “what works”, I am
not interested in my interests being the centre of my life,
but I want my interests to be shaped by what is true. So
pragmatism fails as soon as you desire ultimate knowledge.

Solution b: Revelation. You accept that reason is not
giving you insights about ultimate reality (other than that
it cannot be reasonably known) but assume that revelation
– revealed Holy Scripture – can give you some insight.
Problem: It is not perfectly clear which revelation you
should trust and how you should understand it, so this
solution pushes the question back further: Based on what
criteria can you trust reports about that which surpasses
human reason?

Solution c: Deconstruction. You still care about
ultimate reality but never settle on a specific position
because you acknowledge the inherent tensions within it. You
just deconstruct and reconstruct ad infinitum.


offline welt on 2023-04-08 09:31 [#02626520]
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Solution d: Mysticism. You are convinced that either
spontaneously or in the context of spiritual practices you
can receive crystal clear knowledge about ultimate reality
which surpasses reason and cannot be clearly stated in

Solution e, f, g …. !?

What solution do YOU opt for!?


offline Tony Danza from nuked west on 2023-04-08 13:53 [#02626521]
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What about a Hegelian approach in which our truth reveals
its flaws and those flaws become the foundation for a new
truth which subsumes the previous truth? As I understand
Hegel so far anyhow. A spiraling movement. A growth process.

This has the virtues of being optimistic, and also closely
correlating with the particulars of intellectual history.


offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-04-08 14:21 [#02626524]
Points: 38972 Status: Regular


Hi Tony!


offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-04-08 14:21 [#02626525]
Points: 38972 Status: Regular

Welt, didn’t you make music years ago?
Don’t be shy and post brah


offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-04-08 21:24 [#02626531]
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quite firmly "Solution a: Pragmatism."

Not at all bothered by not knowing some ultimate truth, the
mystery makes it interesting.

If ultimate truth was genuinely offered to me I wouldn't
take it. It'd just make my life worse and I probably
couldn't enjoy the next season of Curb Your Enthusiasm.


offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-04-08 21:24 [#02626532]
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It's funny to think it but it's true. The last season of
curb is worth more to me than the meaning of life.


offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-04-08 21:36 [#02626535]
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if I'm being REALLY sappy and corny

the meaning of life to me is to experience other people's
minds, preferably in an abstract way. I enjoy the discourse
more than the answer. happy to share being alive w/ you all.


offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-04-08 21:39 [#02626536]
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So I made it sound like I'd take no answers. That's probably
not true.

For just a few seconds
I'd like to see the world the way a bug sees it. Mb a

And I'd like just a glimpse, just a taste, of an advanced
alien culture. Their music, their entertainment, their daily

I would take those small things if offered.


offline Mr_mathers from The Cave (France) on 2023-04-08 22:33 [#02626541]
Points: 139 Status: Regular

Solution B. I can't justify my choice but we talked about
this in my philosophy class sometime ago. D*construction is
a terrible solution and I'm ambivalent about the others


offline hevquip from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2023-04-08 23:02 [#02626542]
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you have to die to understand it all


online belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2023-04-08 23:52 [#02626544]
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probably closest to C. when i was floridly psychotic D fit
my experience but the revelations i received were temporary
and largely garbage


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-10 19:25 [#02626630]
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Queen Elizabeth II ordered me and my family to be tortured


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-10 19:35 [#02626632]
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It could be a while before the Messiah reveals himself to
all, a year away? 10 years? 20 years? Does he reveal himself
after he conquers death or is it during the war of Gog and
Magog? He exists today, is 60 years old, lives in England,
and runs the government there. He is the king of love,
truth, and justice according to divine law and every legal
system. He is the anti-Putin. His existence is proof of
God's existence. And Putin is proof of God's existence,
because Putin is the main antagonist of the Messiah in the
world. After Putin and his armies are destroyed by God,
there will be peace in the world and the dead will be


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-10 20:02 [#02626636]
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Deuteronomy 17:14


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-10 22:53 [#02626639]
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If you are not hot for philosophy, best just to skip it.

The Aneristic Principle is that of APPARENT ORDER; the
Eristic Principle is that of APPARENT DISORDER. Both order
and disorder are man made concepts and are artificial
divisions of PURE CHAOS, which is a level deeper that is the
level of distinction making.

With our concept making apparatus called "mind" we look at
reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures
give us. The ideas-about- reality are mistakenly labeled
"reality" and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by
the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see
"reality" differently. It is only the ideas-about-reality
which differ. Real (capital-T True) reality is a level
deeper that is the level of concept.

We look at the world through windows on which have been
drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different
grids. A culture is a group of people with rather similar
grids. Through a window we view chaos, and relate it to the
points on our grid, and thereby understand it. The ORDER is
in the GRID. That is the Aneristic Principle.

Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with
contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids
in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all
reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be
True. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the
ANERISTIC ILLUSION. Some grids can be more useful than
others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant
than others, etc., but none can be more True than any

DISORDER is simply unrelated information viewed through some
particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a
concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say
that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa,
is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The
artificial concept of no-relation is the ERISTIC PRINCIPLE.


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-10 22:53 [#02626640]
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The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or
somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of
disorder, is the ERISTIC ILLUSION.

The point is that (little-t) truth is a matter of definition
relative to the grid one is using at the moment, and that
(capital-T) Truth, metaphysical reality, is irrelevant to
grids entirely. Pick a grid, and through it some chaos
appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another
grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and

Reality is the original Rorschach.

Verily! So much for all that.


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-10 23:04 [#02626641]
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i suppose i am arguably agnostic, but in a much more narrow
way than i used to be. i never bought into the idea that an
angry patriarch lives in the sky, that i believe in
evolution... big bang; i'm not qualified to do better. but
who put that there? in the end, i feel the question
"why do things exist at all" is pretty thoroughly
unanswerable. so that's where i agnosticate and say "it just
does, ok?"

but then you get to... oh, it's TLDR, but when god speaks to
someone, i know what that is, i'm pretty sure. and it's
actually more than what's just in your individual head, even
if god doesn't exist (unless he made the big bang etc. and
then absconded; let it play out however). i've tried the
theory out on a few of the more thoughtful christians i
know, and it's kind of like... "well..." *furrowed brow*
"...i dunnnnooo" and then after a moment they're kind of
like, "...but i'll allow it" i'm very happy i feel like i've
found a compromise for both sides there. but tldr

i guess i'll just go with the time i posted a photo of
lewis's desk on xltronic, and there is just such.
weird. shit. on his desk. that, like i knew
someone would -- i think it was umbro -- someone freaked
out, and was all, OMG!?!?! is that HEROIN on the desk? are
you on heroin

no, it was actually a pile of cocoa powder just sitting on
his desk. at that time, he was brushing cocoa powder into
his hair to darken the color a bit. knowing that it was
cocoa powder for brushing into his hair, and not heroin --
that's already past, like "we may never know." but then i'm
tight enough with him that i know, and i still wind up at
the same place: i still have no idea why the fuck he decided
to use cocoa powder to darken his hair

there's always another question. i would actually lean
towards "we're not answering questions, we're accumulating


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-10 23:52 [#02626643]
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science never "proves" anything -- you can "disprove" a
theory with the right "evidence" but then someone can come
back later and prove the right evidence, was the wrong
evidence, thus un-disproving the theory.

while this may sound like a set-up to tear down science, you
can't very well say, "the physics properties my smartphone
works on, was designed based on, are all just
theories, none of this is proven they could be
totally wrong"

...but your phone works, doesn't it? and stfu. i can't prove
that gravity won't shut off tomorrow, but i'm not making any
contingency plans for that scenario either

that we "answer" a question with science -- oh, look, the
higgs boson does seem to exist -- and it immediately
asks plenty more, like "why is the mass of the higgs boson
weird? this breaks the symmetry of the universe" and on we

i guess it's more like a tree growing. we chase questions,
the questions lead to more questions, we never reach
answers, but humanity acquires more and more communal
and i suspect we're not really intended to
answer anything; we're supposed to generate information


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-11 00:14 [#02626645]
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that going on about dad stuff is a warning to check myself
that i'm not a half-dozen tangents deep; lost the plot. but
some are relevant

i never got a solid answer out of my dad as to whether he
believed in god. he definitely believed in science;
understood more about physics than i probably ever will

when i was 14 and my sister was 12, he sat us down, and
said, there's this thing called the bible, and here's a bit
about it, and if you want to go to church, your mom and i
will take you. i decided i wasn't interested. my sister,
however, was. she decided it was crap after two or three
years, but until then, my parents reliably drove her to
church like soccer practice

that i was 14 and he was dad and i just assumed this was how
everyone got raised, somewhat, but part of why i don't
really want kids is... now that i look back on it, that took
some fucking iron will. to present christianity as an option
and does his best not to influence us either way. most
parents, no matter what they believe, couldn't fathom
just... leaving it alone

years later, the topic kind of came up somehow, or close to
it, and he spoke of pascal's wager, in which pascal all
"since i can't prove whether or not god exists, i'm going to
hedge my bets and go to church." the older i get, the more
sure i am: he wasn't sure. in fact, he thought it was crap
-- but since he couldn't be sure, i think he decided to show
a little deference to god. not just in his life, but in how
he raised his kids

myself ~ i'll raise. and call pascal's bluff. heaven and
hell are just emotional tentpoles because without that
carrot and stick no one would follow the rules

...even though i still allow, "well maybe he just set it up
with the big bang and then left, there might be a god if
that's how it went down"

but heaven, hell? nah


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-11 00:16 [#02626646]
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i'm sorry welt, i didn't really address your letters. i
think i have all of them at once in varying proportions.
modern/medieval mix of A-C


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-11 00:19 [#02626647]
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oh, you need this part: just because "god" didn't create the
universe, doesn't mean he isn't still a conscious entity.
more that we created him through planet-scale cooperation


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-11 02:04 [#02626649]
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umbro have you ever fallen through a crack in reality and
spent a few hours in the serial experiments: lain universe


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-11 02:16 [#02626650]
Points: 21949 Status: Addict | Followup to EpicMegatrax: #02626646

oh there was a D) myst/riven/etc

but i would say you'd bin me in C) probably

to which i counter: what there's not particularly much
deconstructing these days? like, #02626647 above is sort of
like the "abstract" if this were some science paper and not
my jfdgkdg ramble

yeah, though -- formally stating it would be a mess. proving
it is [formally, theoretically, mathematically, practically,
...] impossible. personally, though, i feel... satisfied
with my general conclusion, here? like, whew, that's a
relief, i've cracked it. and i haven't gotten that feeling


offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-04-11 07:10 [#02626651]
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if you pull back and look at the answers in this thread

it's like a "party" scene in a David Lynch movie.

All disconnected, everyone just doing their one thing that
they do. One guy untying a horribly tangled knot, another
just bouncing a ball. A fat woman sitting idly in the
shadows. And no one is ever having any fun!


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-11 08:58 [#02626654]
Points: 6013 Status: Regular

i think it's something you have to reason in your own mind,
that there's a creator.

nobody can show you the truth, you have to see it for
yourself, but when you become seeing, you can't become

actually it seems preposterous that there's a king of israel
who is psychic, but thats how it is. there is evidence,
thousands of years old, and prophecies that i put at the
bottom of that atheism thread.

it's not some dickhead who is going to anoint himself, he
will be recognised as the king because he protects, loves,
supports, enables goodness, advises truth, and brings
justice as a law abiding man. everything he does is through
the law and 100% legal.


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-11 09:04 [#02626655]
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i did freak out when i found out you were gay/bisexual
i think i kept asking you about it, but you didnt say
it's none of my beeswax though, im sorry for that

i dont remember anything about heroin but that reminds of a
picture of the former chancellor of the exchequer george
osborne, there was cocaine on the table in the picture, when
i used to argue with him online he was under the name jack
stone. nobody believes that i helped force the tories to
concede a referendum on leaving the EU, but it's true. i put
a lot of pressure on them, all through my laptop, i didnt
know the blooming messiah was in their party at the time,
running things. i thought he was just a regular guy, but in
fact he's the king of israel.


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-11 09:12 [#02626656]
Points: 6013 Status: Regular

the thing is, the tory party was supposed to be destroyed
from the inside by entryists from the sdp party. that was
their plan. the tories are an evil anachronism in society,
holding back progress. when cameron came in, he humiliated
the conservative members who are old fashioned toads. in
2010 their good scheme to merge with the liberal democrats
and kick out all racists, sexists, homophobes, and make a
new liberal party based on social democracy without the
right wing rascals fell apart, all because of me. i saved
the conservative party from oblivion, which was a massive
error of judgement. just because you can do something,
doesn't mean you should do it. everyone associated with
brexit is being locked up or put down or destroyed,
according to the law. the messiah has amazing political
skills, beyond imagination, i only know because ive been
fighting him for years, which means game over for me. only a
fool would knowingly take on the messiah. i didnt know he
was the messiah.


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2023-04-11 09:15 [#02626657]
Points: 6013 Status: Regular

if hes not the real king of israel, and i made it up, then
putin can become messiah, then uncle xi can become ruler of
the earth? i dont think so. the world was created and
designed for a reason.

one day it will all be on tv, oh there's a king of israel
now? and half the world wont believe it's true. but zilty
will believe because you heard it here first.


offline welt on 2023-04-11 18:42 [#02626658]
Points: 2032 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02626521

Yes, I guess Hegel could be seen as someone who attempts to
integrate aspects of all the options a-d into his position.
Absolute knowledge, Hegel seems to think, would not be
ultimate knowledge in the sense that now everything is known
but an ever self-correcting practice of knowledge which is
aware of what it is doing and can question itself without
thereby destroying itself.


offline welt on 2023-04-11 18:48 [#02626659]
Points: 2032 Status: Regular | Followup to recycle: #02626525

I'm surprised someone remembers. I haven't recorded anything
in ages. These days I mostly play Persian Setar (not to be
confused with the Indian Sitar) since I love the
quarter-tones of classical Persian music.


offline welt on 2023-04-11 18:52 [#02626660]
Points: 2032 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02626535

It doesn't sound that corny. But close to Zen-Buddhist
philosophers like Nishitani or even to Martin Buber, even
though they would prioritize the concrete rather than the


offline welt on 2023-04-11 18:54 [#02626662]
Points: 2032 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02626651

I think the description is accurate with the exception that
I feel the fun running trough everything.


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-11 20:26 [#02626665]
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still not hearing any criticism of my conclusion that god
may actually be a composite entity existing as a gestalt
created by the shared cooperation of hundreds of millions of
believers on a planet-wide scale. people praying for each
other, for what the pope suggests to pray for. that's quite
a firehose you have there, whatever you feel the actual
results are

the believers are like small clusters of neurons in the
brain of god

regarding being gay/bisexual -- very definitely bisexual,
though i do prefer men. overall, i like asses, irrespective
of gender. i remember being like seven years old and staring
at all the butts in some educational history book, the page
of the cave man era, that page had lots of nice butts. but i
was seven and i didn't even understand why i was so
fascinated. so if there is a god he made me this way; no one
led me down the garden path or corrupted me or molested me
or whatever

what makes me weirder is, like... it's always felt everyone
is a lot more urgent about getting laid than i am? i care
about my music gear more


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-12 01:38 [#02626673]
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as a brain is many interconnected neurons, a god is many
interconnected believers. this is a conclusion arising out
of a long and rambling thread trying to chase down what
consciousness is, i suppose, and i wasn't even looking for
it. as such -- like i said -- it's hard to state formally
[tldr] but personally, i feel satisfied with it.

that i also feel it is a charming compromise: jettison all
the stuff clashing with science -- did you know a man once
sent a boat full of animals over niagra falls for no
discernible reason? all died but a goose

...jettison all the stuff clashing with science, that old
nutter site of jesus partying with dinosaurs. but then
perhaps god is an actual conscious entity. that as a
believer, you form part of his brain. you are a part of him.
inherent in all this is the idea that prayer is a form of
meditation, a form of mental focus that subconsciously
guides your actions towards a particular result... so the
power of prayer, particularly at scale, we're accepting this
as well.

the idea that god may be a conscious entity -- if you buy
all this acidhed nonsense -- actually makes me inclined to
follow the prime directive on some levels. that perhaps god
has a right to exist. that believers acknowledging they are
small clusters of neurons, a small part of god, may actually
be what's needed to turn the switch on whether god is
conscious or not. it's a fascinating train of thought. but,
point is, i think you can keep a lot of this while ditching
the stuff that's causing everyone pain


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-12 05:46 [#02626682]
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previous post, that was mad succinct [for me] just go with

but, continuing implications: all the Ahl al-kitāb arguably
timeshare god, and that's quite a number.

...what about, like, hinduism, though? split up into many
gods? that perhaps this would wind up more like the
consciousness of an octopus


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-12 06:15 [#02626683]
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> there's always another question. i would actually
lean towards "we're not answering questions, we're
accumulating data"


"But to a select few, the fact that the best-understood
theory in modern physics technically yields infinite answers
to any question you might care to ask remains deeply
disturbing. “We do not know how to simulate the world,
even in principle, even with unlimited computational
resources,” said Emanuel Katz, a physicist at Boston
University who studies new methods for going beyond Feynman


offline kei9 from Argentina on 2023-04-12 23:21 [#02626710]
Points: 378 Status: Regular

im a closeted D. in public im C because i reckon my own
mystical experience cant have real meaning to any other than
me. actually thinking about it i find they are quite
compatible as you need some C with your D so as not to have
the problems in B

basically you should accept and try to understand all
experience as it presents to you, if theres something to
know about ultimate reality you should be able to learn it
from whatever there is in front of you, feed your experience
until maybe your intuition can synthesize an insight?


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-13 04:51 [#02626711]
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if theres something to know about ultimate reality you
should be able to learn it from whatever there is in front
of you

is this what tiktok is for?


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-13 04:58 [#02626712]
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you know... lots of other people have written lots about
ultimate reality, and some of it isn't bad. that burning
through some of that stuff like a netflix series, mining it
for the choice morsels, but not getting sucked into the
gravity of any one paradigm... that this is catch-up; you're
merely trying to catch up to the the bleeding edge. and
mining the old codgers is faster than re-inventing it all on
your own

what were we talking about again


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-13 04:59 [#02626713]
Points: 21949 Status: Addict | Followup to kei9: #02626710

> im a closeted D

Closet D

cool band name.


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-13 07:34 [#02626714]
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ultimate reality, such a nice place to hide.

actual reality like: this guy i was -- or maybe still am? --
friends with, just hardcore blocks me about ayear ago. that
i was depressed and i wanted someone to come over and hang
out and i was being pushy but it absolutely did not match
the scale of, like, the level he exploded on me. it's one of
those stupid human things, where, like... this isn't me. or
it is me, but not because of anything that actually has to
do with me. and just now i'm stewing on it

that he and i went on a date or two before it became clear
he was into fetish stuff i just utterly refuse to do and
nevermind let's just be friends. we did mess around
sometimes, but... long-term, no. a few weeks before it blew
up last year he was said: "you are just _so _good-looking."
this genuinely blew my mind -- is that weird? like: really?
i am? i'd never quite thought about it

anyways, he found a boyfriend with compatible deviances, and
we all got along great for a bit, even lewis getting
involved in bunging around the used vinyl store with us.

then i'm a bit moody one day and being a pain saying come
over and jam synths and i'm banned forever?

no. this isn't me. or it is me, but not because of anything
that actually has to do with me. or me being a pain was part
of it, but that certainly can't be all of it. simply out of

i actually fear it's because his boyfriend quite likes me
too -- once, suddenly, i got tackled onto a bed, and oh,
it's fine. but i was like, are you sure? oh, he's sure

maybe he's not sure, though. and that would be so fucking
stupid. because i could never be in a relationship with
either of them because... nevermind, you really don't want
to know. and if it's jealously there, dhjfg

or maybe i'm just annoying. that's also possible. i guess
i'm good looking, too. this is bloody irritating. i'm going
back to thinking about consciousness now that's not as


offline Tony Danza from nuked west on 2023-04-13 14:21 [#02626719]
Points: 3203 Status: Regular

Coincidentally, was listening to this podcast on
Schelling, Whitehead and process philosophy yesterday. If I
understand correctly, the idea is that humans and ultimate
reality or "the absolute" are essentially continuous,
bridging Kant's gap between the noumenal and the phenomenal.


offline Tony Danza from nuked west on 2023-04-13 14:35 [#02626720]
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it gets a bit hippy dippy at some points lol


offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2023-05-09 04:44 [#02627356]
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"[that sounds] close to Zen-Buddhist
philosophers like Nishitani or even to Martin Buber, even
though they would prioritize the concrete rather than the

should look up those guys you mentioned.

The abstract is way, way cooler than the concrete though.
Everyone's opinions are total shite. YOU reading this? your
opinion is gay. and you're probably a self righteous fucking
asshole to boot.

I don't care to peek inside your head on a concrete level.
I'd much rather "feel what Richard D. James has to say"
through Yellow Calx than some telepathic-like stream of
consciousness, if given the choice.


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-10 02:59 [#02627408]
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weaselpedia has a php error. how dreadful! i'll link it
later, after... whatever that needs, is done.

but, effectively, i was so incredibly frustrated with my own
difficult brain that i created a crappy recursive sci-fi
plot in which i am injected into my own brain, fantastic
voyage style. and it's a vast city of weasels. that it would
be as simple as "bits of poetry mixed up with mathematical
formulas" like in the scott/henson "organized mind" is,
well, let's just say it's harder than that

what richard d. james has to say depends on the moment, the
mood, and how much he's being paid. by treating him as a
cartoon character with mathematical inputs, i can generate
far more reasonable approximations of what he might say than
your average fanboy

that maybe there was something in the windowlicker vid; i'm
not sure i even do want to get too close. i've heard he
takes chemtrails seriously


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-10 03:09 [#02627409]
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it is rather bizarre. probably at least fifteen years ago i
started debating with myself: if you very thoughtfully
imagine someone, are they temporarily borrowing your
existence? your consciousness? and i found this a very
charming thot. i'm not really sure of the answer, really, i
was more like: that sounds freaking great. i think i'll do
it like that

so i have what is, i suppose, somewhere between an abstract
mental machine and a private joke, and now microsoft has
scraped the whole internet to create a genuine abomination,
and it's like... i'm okay if something else is good at this
too; it's just strange to have any company at all


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2023-05-10 03:33 [#02627411]
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the zend engine decided it was no longer going to identify
by its old pathname. i've updated the rolodex


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