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i realized soundcloud does not actually solve any problems for me. it dangles the potential of connections and networking and then laughs as it sells all your data [probably your tunes too (sooner than later {if not already})]. i swear they encourage the bots -- likely because they're in too deep; using the bots as part of the "engagement" numbers the report to potential investors like elon musk or whatnot eventually, eventually, i realized: there is absolutely nothing stopping me from doing this with bandcamp.: uploading tracks to that bandcamp album. culling them (but making them "bonus tracks" so they're still there really). i'm also thinking i'll keep the price low while it's pinging around for months and then raise it once it's an album and i'm shedding my skin and moving on to another blank purple cover to fill in. start a new album track pool this seems a relatively reasonable way to, like, flatten what was some pointless multi-level effort: soundcloud to just post stuff, bandcamp to sell stuff, then perhaps on twitter or something lord help me, and i'd theoretically be on here saying "please retweet my soundcloud announcement about my bandcamp release" and instead here's me uploading tracks just like soundcloud, except you can buy them, then i cull them down into an album when it feels like an album, or time, or whatever, and you get all the less-ridiculous ones for free. at a price if you bought early. given that i've had to move around so much i did take a moment to think of bandcamp's end, the spirit of the setup, etc. and this also seems entirely fair in that context. thots? |
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It depends on what "problems" are you trying to solve? Does bandcamp have metrics? Like with soundcloud (free version), I can vaguely see that one person in Tel Aviv listened to my track 6 times. Fucking awesome, one dude found something worth listening to *6* times in that track. I quite enjoy that. It's really all I need, personally. But it sounds like you're trying to network and "make it" as an artist. No platform will ever, ever do that for you, I promise you that. That's extracurricular networking, meeting the right people, etc. You (and I) are very likely just too old for that now. The trajectory you are on right now gets a few listens on xltronic and a few listens from friends, and that's all it will ever be unless you deep dick the network and hustle. If you're going to respond to any one thing, let me know about the bandcamp listener's metrics as opposed to soundclouds, I'm interested in that. |
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Even here on xltronic you need to network. If you want people to listen to your music, listen to theirs. It's something I quite enjoy doing (like Big, I have a xltronic tracks folder). If you DON'T (and you, epicmegatrax, most of the time ignore most other people's spam and just post about whatever tangent has tripped you up for the day), no one even here checks out your stuff. |
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The ideal platform for me (it doesn't exist, one of you should make it) would be like "My music for yours." You upload a track. You post a comment about SOMEONE ELSES track. The "someone else" can't see your comment until they listen to YOUR track and comment. Tit for tat. |
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wow you went down the soundclot rabbit hole right fast But it sounds like you're trying to network and "make it" as an artist. no, see, this is exactly what i am fed up with. what does "make it" even mean? i put some legitimate effort into it a few years ago and that was exhausting because, go figure, writing music is where i go when i'm fed up with coding and career and playing chess with the insurance company. from there, once you actually try... the hunter s. thompson quote “The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.” |
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why are you so difficult? i'm hungry. i want a zigguraut. i'm going to go smoke a zigguraut. please figure out what i actually want. |
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whats the sound cloud rabbit hole? re: making it. Well scratch that terminology. You're the one talking about pricing like anyone is going to buy your stuff without knowing who you are? That's what I meant. If you want a ziggurat, you ensalve people and have them construct it, like in Dwarf Fortress. And finally, you didn't respond to my actual point blank question about the metrics on bandcamp. Restated, can you SEE that one dude has re-listened to a single track? That's an advantage soundcloud has. The funny thing is your selective responses to direct queries, selective choosing of who and what you'll engage with is probably the exact same as SPAM. It probably extends to all aspects of your life. You've probably pissed SO many people off by disregarding that which you're not completely interested in. *I notice that you do it,* and other's will too. It makes you less likable. |
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Sometimes you have to respond to something *even if you dont want to.* especially if you want that person to spend actual currency on your music, lol |
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so 1) [early 10's] a casual stab at "the grind" -- bleh 2) [10's-2020] whatever, i have a usable setup again and i'm stoked i'll just upload stuff to soundclot for zilty and linking people over teh SMS 3) [2020] soundclot has reached the stage where a tech company is like, "sorry, guys, we need to squeeze a buck by any means necessary because we sold our investors utterly unrealistic projections 4) [early 2022] stuck it out on soundclot because zilty people there, other people. i maintain an account, mind you, i get the messages. there are a few spare tracks up. but i thought: i have my own web hosting 5) [mid 2022] oh i have web hosting i can just post FLAC if i freaking want 6) [end 2022] this is too annoying 7) oh, hey! it's WAY easier to just post tracks to bandcamp as if it were soundcloud. it does the same exact thing -- i think the bitrate might be better? and, wishing on a meagre rat fart's chance in hell... someone can buy the WAV, if they want. 8) oh, hmm. this is not what bandcamp is meant for? 9) so we arrive at i don't have the time -- and it's a pisser, because i totally still could -- to grind out entire albums in a mad three-day spree. instead you get kind of like, journal entries. if i have enough time in close enough clumps, the journal entries coalesce into an album. otherwise, one-offs. so i think it makes sense to kind of post them as i do them, journal style, whittle it down setting most as bonus, then, mmm, that's about an album. if you want some "hustle" i guess people can see the album before it's an album, if they're actually watching. like watching a tadpole become a princess-thieving koopa |
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i guess it just seemed interesting as a business model for someone, really. i intend to noodle, chow mein, whatever with it, myself. a little. however, the idea that i am locked into some metaphor i don't know from the eminem movie i haven't seen -- absurd |
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It's actually amazing to me that we're now 10 replies in and you didn't reply to my direct question, stated TWICE in post 2, and again in post 7. And completely ignored all points I made about the value of exchange. Instead you opted to post some year by year life history that NO ONE (including me) finished reading. Why didn't I read it? Because you didn't bother to respond to my question. It's so damn simple. This applies directly to networking too. If you EXPECT people to just flock to you, read your shit, listen to your music, GIVE YOU MONEY, while you do fuck all? You're a fucking idiot, or you have an insurmountable mental illness. |
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the germ of it really came out of me being, like... i'm too impatient to read bandcamp's rules, but i know how the place is, and i cannot just use this as a messy file dump. there has to be some arguable path to monetization, here. this is after i already have a bunch of tracks up in "acid repository" and some hidden... and then began tuning it up into an album i thought: hey, this is a reasonable pattern for me to repeat. this is kind of what i need. and i started coming up with all the cheeky psychological twerks like... well, it's $7 ~for now~ because it's not finished yet, and i don't expect you to pay full price for something that's not done. similarly, when i was just bunging things on soundcloud randomly, i wasn't really offering anything organized, and i didn't bother to post anything to bandcamp at all. worry about "promoting" it after, like... a reliable pipleline going. just start a blog or something. or set up an RSS feed to my recent posts i actually thought of RDJ. saying things like, "i still have holes in my catalogue," as in, "i still never tried that corner of that idea i had back then." that he does reams of tracks, then, fuck, boo, such a pisser to put them all in albums and have this pressured big reveal so just do a track in your bathrobe and post it to a bandcramp album and then blog about it as you paywall the b-sides with "bonus" and fix the mastering i had never considered that assembling an album in public could be easier and less tense than assembling an album in private. at the end of the day, here is the problem bandcramp solves: they give me: a) a place to post all my things b) a payment platform that doesn't require a PhD c) peace and quiet i don't get over at soundclot |
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This applies directly to networking too. If you EXPECT people to just flock to you, read your shit, listen to your music, GIVE YOU MONEY, while you do fuck all? You're a fucking idiot, or you have an insurmountable mental illness. this is the longest definition of irony i've ever seen |
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you ignored the first thing i said and you're just repeating the same things over and over again. i actually never had a zigguraut. trying to qubit. but you've broken me |
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>>you ignored the first thing i said and you're just repeating the same things over and over again. you responded to none of them. AND, verifiably false. the first thing you said was: i realized soundcloud does not actually solve any problems for me. thing first thing I said was: It depends on what "problems" are you trying to solve? You didn't answer the question because you are literally incapable of answering a question. Literally. fucking. incapable. I'm so sure you won't even answer it here. I don't care about your stupid ziggurat. |
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Last thing: When was the last time you, epicmegatrax, approached ANYTHING not on your exact terms? This is a question, and since you don't answer questions, I don't expect answer. It relates directly to you selling your music. You won't sell them on your terms. You won't get listens on your terms. Without an exchange of value, you'll get exactly nothing, not even listens here on xltronic. The other day in umbro's thread I lobbed "slap hits king solomon, how do you proceed?" at fleetmouse. That joke was on my terms, though it was shitty DMing (shoulda said as a good DM, slap hits king Solomon, he gets up and grabs you directly by the balls, how do you proceed?" Fleet answered that he rolled poorly and was turned into a pillar of salt. He took a layup from someone else and scored the point. This tit or tat is how anything works, and I'm really not kidding- I've never seen you take the ball and do anything with it. You take the ball and run off and talk about your childhood and ziggurats and ignore the game around you. |
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this is a retarded thread. sorry to the retards i should have used mentally challenged |
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NOT COOL, mermaidman. In all seriousness tho, epic, nothing I said was about your music. Your music is cool, I *genuinely like* much of it. It HAS a monetary value. *Selling* your music is an outside skill that no platform will help with. How can you sell a track when you can't even communicate, except on the most specific terms, exactly how you want to. I don't think that's how communication works. If you fail to answer even the most basic, earnestly asked question about bandcamp metrics, because you're simply not interested in the question, how can you really put anything cohesive together as package or presentation? |
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back to dwarf fortress |
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what baffles me is that i did answer your questions... including, like: what problems does bandcamp solve for me? what "problems" am i trying to solve? in particular, the first time i'm actually replying to you, i quote you directly, and say something that... well, none of what you're saying makes any sense in that context. bandcamp has some sort of metrics shit. it looks very glossy and pretty. i never open it. happy? |
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wolfslice do you do meth |
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wolfslice has one or more of the attributes [trying to troll me with a counter-deluge, on meth, works for soundcloud] |
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or maybe you just made it way deeper than i did, with... well... i've put all this effort into soundclot... i have a bunch of followers now... so i should just... keep... going and you never see yourself going off the deep end; you just melt down one day. about metrics |
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i mean, bandcramp has some of the same horseshit going on, for sure. here's my "dashboard" with "metrics" and all If you aren't exhibiting at least three signs of being in a cult, you're not trying hard enough! We notify your followers when you release new music or merch, so the more you have, the more sales you can expect. > Get some followers > How do I start a cult? that, yes, i know this is trying to be silly, that they do not literally mean a cult. i don't find it funny. not because of the cult reference, but because... they are fucking half serious. they do literally mean a cult. or do they? and i'm supposed to be this un-look-away-from-able attention magnate (how do they work?) and start a personality cult and build followers and beep beep beep digits does anyone stop and think how fucked up this is? that it's so basic it's even summed up by a fight club quote ("we were all told we were going to grow up to be movie stars, and we're not" or someth) that i've searched on youtube for things like "how do i iron the pockets on my techwear pants" and there's this video of this hispanic chick in a sagging youtube channel and she looks like she's on the verge of tears, this youtube shit isn't working. shame of it is she did teach me to iron pockets but i never log into youtube so it's just a lone view that i do think my stuff is good enough to pay a bit for, to some people. that if enough people start looking around and telling others, it could go somewhere. but the idea of going around and sucking everyone's dick to get mutual "likes" or starting some manipulative personality cult (and it's me, so it'd bomb anyways) is like fucking no thanks i'll just work a real job and treat this as a hobby thx |
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sorry, "Sean Banned Roger" kind-of EP. the main two tracks are now just acid repository bonus. "pclonky" the only one that made it. also folded and deleted ASDFMR EP. are these even EPs? it's so divorced from vinyl the fuck does that even mean anymore anyways, just growing the album fractally. trim off the tail eventually. fix the mastering. do a more fancy cover. it's like and in the end i was really just making this thread to be like "hey i'm not sure albums really make sense any more in the traditional way" and then "journal entries make more sense" and furthermore "just upload it all to bandcramp because it can stream same as soundclot and there are no bots" finally "publicly whittle it down into a proper album and delete nothing just make them bonus content" because it's honest, it's sustainable, it's fair to bandcramp financially but if i were trying to "make it" i suppose it'd probably make more sense to spend months trying to make an album intricately tailored to do well on tik-tok and build "hype" before the "drop" i dunno i do think about trying that sometimes, but usually i just go do another track instead |
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(PRO TIP: HOW TO HACK THE METAVERSE ~ shut javascript off entirely for the site and it'll just dump the full article out and not bother you about signup, trial, etc) |
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use the archive today and you get |
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oh, that's not bad. but it's always, in some ways, better to... like, here is something you can just adjust in most any web browser and no plugins required; no external site. that i ran this thread through it, and, oh, that's cute, i think i've or something on someone's linux box. but who runs this anyways? obviously it stores whatever you put in; that's your fault. but who's to say all the shortlinks won't turn into malvertising some day? let's poke about there are no names. no about. but there is Q: Will advertising appear on the archive one day ? A: I cannot make a promise that it will not. With the current growth rate I am able to keep the archive free of ads. Well, I can promise it will have no ads at least till the end of 2014. the web page certainly looks at least ten years old. probably is what it says on the in. no guarantee it'll stay that way. most subtle, really, would be to function as normal 95% of the time and 5% malware instead. i've used this same trick myself, except with tubgirl instead of malware. then it's also getting in over its head trying to format things so seems like a nice honest nerd weekend project. simpler than asking people to figure out how to shut JS off. yeah sure, probably will come back to this |
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~ because i know you all care so very much. swapped two tracks around. swapped two others around. deleted "conflictrest" EP-ish thing and made them all bonus tracks (some good sounds but too much waiting about). i think i've about cleared out all the bits i've made since i got the behringer "303" and that was kind of my general file-folder here |
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so, simpler: wolfslice, do you see me saying, like, "the whole promo circle-jerk grind just made my soul sad and everyone buying each others' bandcramp albums does nothing but enrich bandcamp at the expense of everyone involved." but instead i went into some timeline trying to say, like: i tried that seriously for a bit, it made me miserable before that, starting the thread: hi, this is kind of an odd way to do things, but i think it makes sense for me and my situation, and perhaps even in the context of the times, what do you think? so of course i'm rambly; this is just conceptual tinkering meanwhile: still waiting for you to recognize the absurdity of me going around and making everyone happy and being a slick salesman that's well-liked with a knack for the market and actually understands tik tok and ...oh, hell, maybe i'll go "the timelords / doctorin' the tardis" at some point and take a genuine stab at something viral. but just look what that mashup did to bill drummond |
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that money is tight now. driving me crazy, actually, which is part of why, just... "it should be available for purchase not because i am expecting a huge rush but because if anyone wants it and it's not i'm just letting it go out the door." so, tempered expectations, really. people buy this stuff sometimes. if they actually like it, you know? and not just for "networking" ...but, at some point, for a giggle, when money is less $*%( i think i might actually hire some of those bot armies and spamhands for a laugh. doubt it'll pan out. but seems like amazon reviews where you can buy a few thousand soundcloud plays off the bots and suddenly you look like hot shit and people start piling on the bandwagon. model clearly works for rap |
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additional thought: actually, i could write my own bots? (and sell their services?) |
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that you'd want to leverage test automation software for the browser emulation. chromedriver is shit for actual test automation, but that's not the job here, and... it's free. meanwhile, i hate cypress with a passion, and cypress charges per run, fails randomly, charges you for that. no, just a passable emulation of chrome with seemingly real user tussles with their donkey dick of JS |
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(disclaimer: i addressed one (1) of these posts to wolfslice rest is optional wolfers, calm down) the biggest problem any botlord faces is... you find a way to make it work, hey, it's working! but then as you scale it up for $$ it becomes flamingly obvious and they take it down. scale too much, you risk burning your setup. so then the typical botlord's setup invests a significant amount of resources in obfuscation... chaff, smoke-screens, what-have-you. that then you have to spam people additionally to advertise your bots, in order to get paid, and... same cycle; you're exposing yourself so i think it'd be much less of a deal to just quietly pump up a few tracks to a few tens of thousand, just once, for one account, which would presumably be as rancidly viral as dr. whooo-ooo (did you know? gary glitter just got out of jail) |
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that it's fucking annoying. that i actually kind of understand the path to understanding mastering. that i need to actually fucking read the bob katz book more and use the ear training CD and then just compulsively listen to my tracks in different setups for ages in conjunction and eventually i'll start to just feel it. but that's a lot of work, and things like, fucking malfunctioning smoke detectors, lost at least 500 hz a few months ago and no one seems terribly enthusiastic. so i think this may be where this album stays. up to $11 because that's effectively the tracks, in the right order, with bonus, but the mastering is very uneven and depending on my mood of the day. but no one seems terribly enthusiastic so i think i officially don't give a shit about mastering it and making it to $12. frankly too much going on now; haven't recorded anything at all in a bit. maybe i should pack it in |
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If you could stick this into 1 or 2 short paragraphs I would be happy 2 engage |
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does anyone stop and think how fucked up this is? that it's so basic it's even summed up by a fight club quote ("we were all told we were going to grow up to be movie stars, and we're not" or someth) that i've searched on youtube for things like "how do i iron the pockets on my techwear pants" and there's this video of this hispanic chick in a sagging youtube channel and she looks like she's on the verge of tears, this youtube shit isn't working. shame of it is she did teach me to iron pockets but i never log into youtube so it's just a lone view 7 and a half minutes to say, "wash the potatoes off, put in enough water to cover them, then use, oh, the brown rice setting" and this is why i hate youtube when just 1/3 of a paragraph of text would do now 2 engage? |
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that i just thot, "can you do potatoes in a rice cooker?" and it just seemed like the sort of idea that wasn't insane at all and... yes, sure enough... yes. |
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has anyone cracked open a google nest puck and put in am LM386 in place of its motherboard or something cheeky like that? it sounds fucking fantastic, loud, bassy, stereo i think even? and this is not bad for something the size of a computer mouse. but all it will say is stuff about connecting my phone with an app and the obvious thing to do is replace the malfunctioning amplifier inside with a 1/8" jack or maybe it's not an integrated amp and you could just snap off the PCB after some xacto noif 2023, comments: -feature ~ The free AOL floppy disks have much better bass -bug ~ The free AOL floppy disks are much harder to reformat |
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When was the last time you, epicmegatrax, approached ANYTHING not on your exact terms? This is a question, and since you don't answer questions, I don't expect answer. my terms have remained steady; reliable -- downright predictable -- but i do feel a slight red shift as the world goes up its own fundament and multi-million dollar deals are forged off of bots swarming spotify. my terms, thankfully, are mounted firmly, and it's almost peaceful watching flying bits of flaming garbage from the 2008 Universal fire fly by at hundreds of kliks per quantum |
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How can you sell a track when you can't even communicate, except on the most specific terms, exactly how you want to. oh, i see what you're missing. i need a megaphone of some sorts. we're tangled up in complaints about the music bidness and complaints about my situation, and the issue is i'm yelling about both at once -- another failed attempt to be brief it's crass, but massive marketing budget would fix my problems. i can communicate just fine, thanks, and if the taxi meter is running, i can write minimal ads. but this is xltronic and there are no consequences not just music, really -- oh, you tits, you could swap me and Kevin Roose (NYT) out for a week and i suspect i'd pass the taster's choice test writing his articles for him. this includes following the journalistic standards; as an engineer i take specifications seriously... but i've no journalistic credentials, so no new york times, no platform for my thoughts music? i don't expect every little bit to go over well. but with a marketing budget, people will listen to it a bit anyways, whether they mean to or not... and, from there, we can determine "alright, these people over here really prefer these sort of tracks" and then it's just expanding a particular corner of what i'm already doing that, oh, did anyone like ? what i'm doing with... well, start with chorus and keep going? i've no idea really |
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