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Noah, Abraham, Moses, king David, king Solomon, Daniel, the prophets... Do you think it's all made up or is it based on true people who lived years ago and their relationship with the divine Creator? How can someone who knows the ins and outs of Marxist theories and reads hundreds of books in detail not know the contents of these books? How come Israel exists today if God isn't real? Deep topic I know |
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I haven't read it myself. But I can't see that reading it would instill any kind of faith, either. I think there's a possibility the Old Testament had it all right. Also a possibility that Mohamed was a real prophet, or Jesus. Maybe Hinduism or Buddism got it on the mark. Pretty much anything but Scientology, fuck that shit. I'm comfortable saying "I don't know and will never know," but a lot of people arent. In your case you seem to have a strong faith. I don't really understand faith, but it doesn't bother me. I wonder where it comes from though, this faith. Not just with you, but with everybody who displays it. Usually it's just parents that tried to instill you with their values, combined with some fear of eternal damnation. Anyway I've had a lot of open and closed eye psychedelic visuals that are eastern-flavored, elephants are almost always in the mix. Six armed goddesses sitting indian style. If I'm just going off what I've *actually* experienced, that'd probably be my top pick. <3 |
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How come Israel exists today if God isn't real? |
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I'm just answering you with my honest take and not pooping on ya. My take is that Isreal is a just a plot of earth, constructed by geo-physics (tectonic plates and the likes), on a planet that's composed of matter forged in exploded Stardust, made from stars that congealed massive amounts of hydrogen and helium, which was forged in the big bang. To be, how come Isreal exists is a stupid question. WHY is there hydrogen and helium instead, instead of a void, is a real question. |
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I heard God's voice in a dream a few times |
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if it was me I'd really listen to it and try and apply it |
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Which hitchens brother are you? Christopher hitchens, supports Israel but is an atheist Peter hitchens, paleoconservative, believes in God |
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I haven't read either one I think I'm just a garden variety agnostic, who tends a bit nihilist. Wheres your new acid music bro I havent heard your stuff in ages |
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tends? trends? one of those has to be right there. |
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https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/king-solomon-quotes |
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Sold my 303 |
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to buy more old testaments? |
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Paid some debt off and bought a ps5 |
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I should have stuck with flstudio on a cheap laptop. No need for all these 10 grand machines |
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Solomon had 600 wives and concubines There was a law in the bible that said for the king not to have too many wives they say biblical israel split into two kingdoms because of this true/false? it also says in the books that the descendant of Solomon would lead the world to peace and prosperity after a gigantic war |
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I have a King's James Bible on my shelf. My mom (completely non denominational christian who never really forced the issue of faith) gave it to me for xmas. Maybe it has the old testament in it as well. Also one year for xmas I got Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, from one of my uncles who correctly ascertained that I was probably a bit libertarian. I haven't read that either. Both too preachy, I'm assuming. I think the bible is good to read for a history lesson tho, if nothing else. |
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The Old Testament is a many-translated collection of earlier stories from multifarious cultures of the Middle East; any factuality has been diluted beyond relevance and many of the codes within it are regional. Marxism doesn't require a knowledge of The Old Testament. Israel exists because the Europeans felt guilty after the Holocaust, due to Jewish people being persecuted in most of Eastern, Central and Western Europe for centuries, and also because it made a useful outpost in the Middle East. |
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book of daniel(name means God is my judge) is crazy good, wikipedia says it like this: He is not a prophet in Judaism, but the rabbis reckoned him to be the most distinguished member of the Babylonian diaspora, unsurpassed in piety and good deeds, firm in his adherence to the Law despite being surrounded by enemies who sought his ruin, and in the first few centuries CE they wrote down the many legends that had grown up around his name. it doesnt say anywhere but his character indicates he is a descendent of solomon and david. wiki also says he's a made up character, which is impossible because his deeds are what made him famous. it's weird how some names from the bible became commonly used by parents today then others dont, you hear of a lot of daniels and davids but not so much solomon |
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theres a law for each praiser of God to write a torah scroll, the king has to write two. thats how you know it's been passed down since the time of Moses. marxism, for clever atheists who've never read the most influential book of all time. yeah i agree with point 3, hitler's crimes were too much for anybody sane to be able to comprehend |
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when the demon is at your door in the morning it won't be there no more |
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to answer your question: i dont know, but historians have been digging to find out what is and whats not, what might etc.. havent read the whole thing and watched a few dokus. my personal belief is, that it is a mix, part happened, part is legend, but largely its metaphor to give us a moral compass. i said that in school and the teacher in religion agreed in relief. |
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I havent, but Ive been told the story of job. one day satan and god were chit chatting when the later mentions Job, a wealthy pious dude who was always "well behaved". satan then points out that maybe this job guy was such a believer because of how blessed by god he was, so he gambles that he can make job lose his faith. god is like "bring in on m8", so then satan kills jobs sons and wife, job loses his wealth, and finally his health; he gets scabies. but he never loses his faith in god, even when confronted by his friends. finally god himself appears before job and "doubles his former wealth", gives him "new sons" and a "long life", for all his troubles and for being "such a good boy" I think this tells a lot about the god in the old testament, people get killed over his bet with the devil, he does not give a fuck, then tries to make things right by throwing money at the problem. hes only concern is our acceptance of his power, hes willing to gaslight his sons just out of ego. |
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there's very little jokes in it |
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Three thousand years ago, in the Southwest Asian lands we now call Israel and Palestine, a group of people worshipped a complex pantheon of deities, led by a father god called El. El had 70 children, who were gods in their own right. One of them was a minor storm deity, known as Yahweh. Yahweh had a body, a wife, offspring and colleagues. He fought monsters and mortals. He gorged on food and wine, wrote books and took walks and naps. But he would become something far larger and far more abstract: the God of the great monotheistic religions. |
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i went to a private high school. i had a great history teacher there one year, and he said, "since this is a private high school, i'm allowed to put the bible into the curriculum and i intend to do so." he then went on to explain that he was actually a mormon, but he was going to treat the bible as a historical document and leave faith entirely out of it. he was one of the funniest teachers i've ever had and that was the first time i'd heard him mention mormonism at all; i was stunned. but then he was promptly good on his word -- that the class was supposed to cover that area of history, and he wove a module on the bible into all the roman stuff. so it is strange, that i actually have discovered... because of that, i've read more of the people than some of the dullards screaming about jesus. like, catching them on a technical level, knowing they're wrong... because... i read that part, alright? but i don't say it. just a quiet giggle so yes, a little. i had a hilarious mormon who did an amazing job of not pressing faith onto anyone curate various sections from it for me, along with the new testament. i wouldn't go so far as to call myself any sort of export, but i did get the flavor. |
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the testament |
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I've read the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible in its entirety. What I find striking is that it is very different from other religious texts such as the Daodejing, the Bhagavad Gita, the Dhammapada, the Diamond Sutra, Greek mythology and philosophy. The "normal" tendency in "higher" forms of religion seems to be the human desire to harmoniously align with nature or the supernatural, to become a harmonious part of the whole, to merge with an anonymous basic divine or natural force. Whereas the Hebrew Bible, at least it has been read in this way for centuries/millenia, puts an open dialogical relationship between God and human beings in the center. The human being is not to become merely a part of the whole, of nature or of God, but is always irreducible to nature, irreducible to God, irreducibly singular. .. And that, I guess, is true. ... I don't know what the Bible's status is, but I think its the most impressive religious text/tradition. Even more impressive than Zen-Buddhism which in the end, it seems to me, remains stuck in the redemptive experience of becoming one with the whole. That experience exists and it is important. But I think the communication between irreducibly singular non-equals is even better. |
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I like this analysis and i share that the jewish (and christian) tradition is all too obsessed with humans. but I dont see how "the communication between irreducibly singular non-equals" could be better than the "experience of becoming one with the whole" as the first, is in its root, metaphysical raving and the later is what will happen (or already has happend) to you, whether you understand it and accept it or not. |
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I think this accounts for the strong character of naive realism in Christian-centric cultures, and why people in them often have an abhorrence of evolution. It's a worldview that trades in irreducible essences, that doesn't emphasize one thing flowing into another or the fluidity of history, of change. This is evident in the morality as well. Which is not to say that everyone in a Christian-centric culture is a naive realist, of course. |
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also goes some way towards explaining why so many of them have a stick up their ass about trannies and gays imo |
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Accept Ye in to your heart. |
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in a vivid dream I said who are you? and I saw a hand pointing up to the sky (to mean God). then i saw a black wing, like an angel's wing because he was in the darkness it was black. then i looked to the right and saw the face of God himself, or at least a representation of God. it was a pyramid with an eye inside. i believe the holocaust happened, that gay and transgender rights are part of God's plan, the end of slavery is also part of God's plan. i believe the messiah is real and is alive today. i believe God is 100% real and has a plan for the world. also i believe i will be tortured for my sins of going against his plan and for a general rudeness towards him. and my family will be tortured too. i wish it wasnt the case that torture could happen but it's happening. |
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Well, I would approach it by contrasting two experiences. Let’s say you sit down and do a Zen-meditation. You go inwards. Instead of merely finding your own particular self inside, your own individual desires, emotions, aims, goals, you break through this individual self at some point, go even further inside, as it were, and surprisingly find yourself as something which is identical with all of being, with the whole of nature, the whole of the cosmos. All sorts of stress fall way, a peaceful and blissful state appears. Then the other experience is encountering another human being, or even an animal or a plant, or a piece of art, and experiencing it as a radical split with nature, as a radical disruption of the whole, as something irreducibly unique, singular, particular which calls the whole into question, which is in a way outside “Being” and then responding to that unique other. That wouldn’t mean to engage in metaphysical ramblings but to treat for example you, kei9, as someone who cannot be merely grasped as a part of the whole but as someone who can stand outside nature, to respond to your creative freedom which goes beyond the totality of nature. That experience, I think, is even more valuable than harmony. Why do I think so? I guess I tend towards the view that neither you nor I are simply parts of the whole but singularities which disrupt the whole. … |
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Yes, I guess there is something to it. The fact that Christianity soon integrated Greek Platonic philosophy - and thereby the idea of eternal essences (in the sense of a specific εἶδος or ἰδέα which makes you into the specific substance you are) - would perhaps also play a major role, perhaps even the most important one. |
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I think so yes. The notion of the eternal forms was perfectly compatible with "let us make man in our image". Just needed a persona slapped on it. |
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I think we are both, we are something irreducibly unique going back to the whole. each trip is unique since every human is bound to turn up different because of a particular combination of experiences and genetics. free will has little agency if any. i cherish my journey but at the same time i give it the entity of an illusion, something that its already over |
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"The most important teaching and tenet of Judaism is that there is one God, incorporeal and eternal, who wants all people to do what is just and merciful. All people are created in the image of God and deserve to be treated with dignity and respect." |
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"Judaism believes that every moment of life is precious and of infinite value. We do not consider pain or suffering as mitigating factors that obviate the sanctity or importance of life. Jews believe in a life after death - the immortality of the soul and the physical resurrection of the body at a time in the future." |
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