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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-10-19 18:01 [#02621669]
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100% real imo.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2022-10-19 18:56 [#02621670]
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define god
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kei9
from Argentina on 2022-10-19 19:30 [#02621671]
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define real
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-10-19 19:47 [#02621672]
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Who is God? Well, it's an invisible person, and he lives up in heaven, up there
God is somebody who rules the world. He's sort of like a spirit, I guess up in outer space
He kind of started all the plants growing, and he started people. Well I guess he's kind of big and fat
He can see us whatever we do, whatever we do, he has such powerful eyes, he has to have millions and thousands and billions, and he can still see us when we're bad
He could be sitting on the table right now, but you can't see him
If he was a bad man, he would make everything bad, and we wouldn't have electricity, he wouldn't make people, that's what would happen if God wasn't nice
He's not though, what - a lot of people think he's just a feeling - but I think he's a real person...
Well, I think that God, um, isn't a person, but he's up in the heavens, and he's watching over us right now
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mermaidman
on 2022-10-19 21:36 [#02621673]
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my god is not the same as epic's god just saying
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mermaidman
on 2022-10-19 21:37 [#02621674]
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it's different gods
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Mr_mathers
from The Cave (France) on 2022-10-19 22:06 [#02621675]
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Perhaps… and if God is real I would like to see how it looks like
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kei9
from Argentina on 2022-10-19 22:22 [#02621676]
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oh you mean jesus daddy?
i hope hes not real i wouldnt like to have to deal with such an orwellian dystopia scenario
he is real as a way of controlling people though, as he was been the force behind lots of murder suffering enslaving and such.
I like to think the real god or (better) gods made this world and whatever and then they wanted to experiment existing in its rules and that's what sentient things are. pockets of experience for the gods. I dont think these experiences are being judged morally or anything its just stuff that happens, morals are contingent to this meaty existence.
i find the monotheistic gods very problematic. but there ought to be something greater than us, just because we are a bunch of ignorant animals
it's very hard to talk about this in english. anyways its metaphysics so to each hes own, but its always fun to dabble in these kind of topics
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2022-10-19 23:00 [#02621677]
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this is fascinating, i think you'd like it umbro. there was an abridged version on radio 4 too if you can't be arsed with 700-odd pages, it'll be on bbc sounds somewhere
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-10-20 03:36 [#02621679]
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Rivetingly fresh and stunning . . . Isaiah actually saw God’s genitals filling the temple. This sounds just too comical to be plausible - and yet fertility and bull-like potency are essential to ancient deities, and Stavrakopoulou argues that Jahweh is no different. Much more like the Cerne Abbas giant than today’s CofE would really want. -- Christopher Hart ― Sunday Times
You have to respect a deity with a bull-like, temple-filling stugots.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-10-20 22:44 [#02621681]
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Inexplicably there is just a giant McCain's oven chip at the of time and space
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-10-21 18:46 [#02621708]
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How come the Messiah can read my mind and talk to me via telepathy?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-10-22 05:19 [#02621709]
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Probably inflation and the cost of his phonecalls
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-10-22 05:23 [#02621710]
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I was just thinking David you have these voices in your head and your medically diagnosed, but somehow you seem a lot saner than the Christian American nutters on social media.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2022-10-22 23:23 [#02621724]
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oh for heck's sake
we learn to speak by imitating our parents voices, then in comes sesame street, the president's voice, etc. and we are all made up of these voices, and they only thing that really distinguishes us as individuals is which ones we listen to, and rebroadcast. but i mean, like: i've had a voice yell out of, oh, the back right of my mind, and realize: that was my dad's voice. or my mom's voice. sort of like my brain pulled a tape off the shelf and fed me some prior voice programming.
but then your parents are made up their parents voices, and so on, for thousands of generations, and you start to see that our individual selves are all perhaps just little bits of epidermal layer on top of a 99% shared framework, that goes deeper than language -- the sun and the moon synchronizes all life, and possibly created it via coriolis in isolated pockets of ideal RNA precursor fed by gentle alpha decay for a billion years. it likely happened numerous times, until one finally ruptured into the ocean, and that was it. from there it's not competition for resources that drove evolution, but competition between species. but arguably, maximum power principle, all life on earth is nested terrariums that gradually heat pump entropy out into space to increase the order within...
but, i guess, meanwhile, i think some people call that 99% shared morass god
prayer could theoretically work without breaking the laws of physics despite, but that's another ramble
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2022-10-23 05:35 [#02621730]
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I had an acid trip where I kept getting a visage of a 6 armed indian goddess with 3 eyes.
And another where hands formed out of the ether, lifting me up and up until I entered white space with a bit of architecture, decidedly greek. In that place I met something indefinable that was very concerned with my happiness and well being.
I'm willing to admit these could have been products of free association and imagination, though.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2022-10-23 22:45 [#02621740]
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see, i never got this sort of thing. the first time i tripped, i opted for mushrooms, and i had two friends with previous experience around tripping with me; they were stoked i finally bit the bullet. one guy was seeing, like, kind of god-beings or whatever walking around; i just saw the ceiling breathing. i went to awkwardly negotiate taking a dump, like, lot of signals flying about here; i have to focus. then there's a little smurf i see in the dots in the bathroom tile; pareidola.... but with a vengeance. i saw that smurf every time, after that. i could, like, concentrate, and see it as just... dots on the tile... but naturally, no, he was just there afterwards. so i had that. but i didn't see beings walking down the hallways. that, it's my first time tripping, and i'm still thinking: is he pulling my leg? he wasn't. i just have a very thick skull, it seems
so my trips are more like, on acid, i think of something cool, and, shit... rush of thoughts; i lose it. that i will sit here until i get this back; i resolve to. and i already have to pee. alright, how do we do this? well, one thought leads to the next, it's like a linked list, and if i think the same thing, i'll think the same next thoughts, and i can get that thought back, cool! then, so... okay, i need, what are the two thoughts closest to it i remember, before and after? so i can, like, establish a trajectory? ...having to pee for like 20m is a long time on acid but i got the thought back and i've kept up with the technique and now it's this horrible monster where i can give you a stack trace of why i came up with a Cool Band Name and it's just a long stream of esoteric trash
never seen no indian goddess, tho.
i guess i'd say it's because... well, tripping is close as i get to mystical, but i still always went at it with an engineering mindset. so it comes out more like the above and less in abstract symbolism, i suspect
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2022-10-24 02:52 [#02621755]
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also, for anyone giving me shit about my archival hoarding, well, i have a photo of that smurf in the tiles somewhere; i should dredge it up. that's the hardest part; indexing. otherwise what good is it? but i should, because everyone else can just make hand motions and convey this thing that happened to them their first time on mushrooms, but no, i went and faithfully took a photo, because, like... this is notable; i need this on file
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2022-10-24 05:58 [#02621760]
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I dont want to derail the god thread too much with psychedelic talk, but what you describe:
" the first time i tripped, i opted for mushrooms, and i had two friends with previous experience around tripping with me; they were stoked i finally bit the bullet. one guy was seeing, like, kind of god-beings or whatever walking around; i just saw the ceiling breathing."
That about sums up my early, probably first 40 experiences. Always tripped with friends, always DOING something, and always had a friend trip harder than I did. When I tried them again as I got older I did them solo. I lay down, close my eyes, and listen to music.
In this state-- well first I should say, I'm 38 now, not 18, so my neurons are different-- but when I trip like this I seem to enter a meditative state, entering space after space. Meeting weird things. Thoughts like you describe... they kind of shut off. Ego shuts off. It's just spaces in the void. I always know I can open my eyes and it will stop, but most of the time, I don't want it to. Until I get a foot cramp like that one time on acid. That'll bring you back quickly.
Anyway none of that would work with friends, or if you're out at a concert or something. Your most comfortable room, with your most interesting music on headphones. That's the ticket.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-10-24 07:56 [#02621761]
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Pootin thinks Ukraine is his land. Winnie the Pooh Bear thinks Taiwan is his land. But the world 🌍 belongs to God. Most of the nations will merge together into one world government and it will be belevolent not tyrannical. No more wars, no more fighting, no more holocausts or pogroms. One world, one love.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2022-10-25 04:41 [#02621768]
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Vladimir Poopin ~ RIP one of my best fallout 3 characters
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2022-10-25 04:42 [#02621769]
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or everyday people will be downtrodden and the rich will fly off and colonize other worlds as earth burns down
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-10-25 12:54 [#02621777]
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we have no way of knowing if god exists on its own, but billions of people act believing there is one/or more deity,
thus god is real. and frodo lives.
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RussellDust
on 2022-10-25 14:25 [#02621783]
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Sometimes I ask myself « what if God was one of us? ».
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2022-10-25 15:12 [#02621787]
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just a slob like one of us?
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mermaidman
on 2022-10-25 20:58 [#02621788]
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that is the GAYEST song ever by far
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mermaidman
on 2022-10-25 21:00 [#02621789]
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i'm not dissing you dear russell i'm dissing the song that song is QUEERING AROUND
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2022-10-25 22:46 [#02621793]
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RussellDust
on 2022-10-26 12:55 [#02621822]
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You love it!
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kei9
from Argentina on 2022-10-27 02:03 [#02621825]
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i ve had a few al lad trips where i could totally focus in staring at a point in my line of sight, like this total focus and around it everything becomes mirrored patterns or things that swirl or whatever. like staring at the void or something
one of this trips in particular was very mystical I started doing this point staring in a place i thought (dream logic kind of thouhgt) was ideal for "baby jesus" (I remember wanting to speak to god) when some sort of shadowy or featureless figure crawled out of the void and told me to "forget about god" and that I was god now
al lad makes weed very intense indeed
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RussellDust
on 2022-10-27 10:22 [#02621832]
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And so I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed Just to get it all out what's in my head And I, I am feeling a little peculiar And so I wake in the morning and I step outside And I take a deep breath and I get real high And I scream from the top of my lungs "What's going on?"
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2022-10-27 15:46 [#02621833]
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I started believing in God after a mushroom trip but after a few months I thought it was just a psychoses state of mind and stopped believing. Started tripping again to find out more about myself and the things I saw. Now I do believe there's a energy source that's all good, it's called love. Don't know if that's god or not, it's just there, in the universe or in my subconscious part of my mind. But that's definitely real.
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Mr_mathers
from The Cave (France) on 2022-10-27 16:04 [#02621835]
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I had the same experience a week ago. I took a hallucinogenic drug and started thinking about how we're all connected and loved somehow, just by virtue of us being there. I don't believe in God so I didn't attribute the sense of awe and wonder I felt, to him. All I thought is that we're part of a whole and we should appreciate that as long as we're alive, no matter what happens to us.
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Mr_mathers
from The Cave (France) on 2022-10-27 16:12 [#02621836]
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It was also cool watching the foliage, leaves, trees, grass in front of me swirl into a bunch of koch flakes, like the patterns we can see in fractals. It also reminded me of a few artists I admire. Hokusai (the Great Wave), Errol John le Cain (specifically his work on Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp, 1981), Hilma Af Klimt (abstract artist). Definitely accentuated that thought I had about us being part of a whole. Somehow, observing something completely unrelated (trees) sprung up a few art pieces I hadn't thought about for months into my mind. Much to think about
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-10-28 04:08 [#02621838]
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Do you reckon when you die you get a hi-score, fucking hell im in deep shit looool
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2022-10-28 12:39 [#02621843]
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try to watch Hr Giger on acid or shrooms. Hè paints for the trippers. So beautiful.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2022-10-28 16:36 [#02621844]
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impossible to answer this question before agreeing on a definition of "real" i'm sorry but it's true
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-10-29 02:08 [#02621848]
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God is Real
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-11-03 07:44 [#02621955]
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wrong answer
God exists, other Gods are fake, He is one, Love Him, Fear Him, Sanctify His name, not to Profane His name
He is really real, and exists
Otherwise please explain how the legal system that he created thousands of years ago carries so much weight in modern politics without him existing?
Who is fighting Putin and teaching the Ukrainians how to win big against him? (the Messiah [not Jesus but the real genuine one])
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-11-03 07:56 [#02621958]
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There's a biblical law that says to treat foreigners well, and that's what you see in the BBC, pressure on Suella Braverman(uk home secretary) to treat foreigners well, she won't last much longer in her job with all the pressure on her from the biblical law.
Fascism means opposing biblical law, goodness is following the law. Moses lived thousands of years ago. If he was just a philosopher who pulled a legal system out of thin air, it wouldn't be so relevant to today.
We live on a globe, and the nations will merge together because we are one planet. Perhaps it isn't good to dwell on reality, everything will be revealed once it's ready to be revealed.
The Praisers of God are winning.The tyrants like Xi and Putin will lose.
Most gripes people have with religion were caused by Jesus Christ and the prophet Mohamed, Jesus was tortured for his pretending to be the genuine Messiah and the false prophecying of Mohamed is illegal according to biblical law. That was reality
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RussellDust
on 2022-11-03 11:47 [#02621963]
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I get your last post bar the bit about Jesus.
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kei9
from Argentina on 2022-11-03 21:06 [#02621993]
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"Moses lived thousands of years ago. If he was just a philosopher who pulled a legal system out of thin air, it wouldn't be so relevant to today."
the commandments?
5 6 7 8 9 and 10 are common sense. most tribesmen lived like that long before any monopolization of the holy. so i like that, that you could live according to gods will just out of "common sense".
1 & 2 are bullshit and complicate things a lot bro, because if this was tru the tribesmen or whomever lived according 5 6 7 8 and 9, even not knowing of moses stones, are all doomed just because the holy lord forgot to tell em them rules?
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kei9
from Argentina on 2022-11-03 21:07 [#02621995]
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https://biblescripture.net/Commandments.html lost the skill to lazy link no more it seems
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big
from lsg on 2022-11-04 07:48 [#02621997]
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god = love and love = god
so everything that is beautiful and more than the parts of its sum, we can call 'god'. that's my thing, now, anyway
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mermaidman
on 2022-11-04 09:34 [#02622000]
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if praising god will make me win then fuck that bearded old motherfucker
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mermaidman
on 2022-11-04 09:37 [#02622001]
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he’s an arrogant cunt he trippin
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mermaidman
on 2022-11-04 13:46 [#02622002]
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also if he has thousands of eyes why he still doing nothing about epic?? or did we collectively sin so much that epic is his punishment for all of us??
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2022-11-04 16:06 [#02622003]
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God isReal
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RussellDust
on 2022-11-05 16:08 [#02622037]
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Can’t believe you’re dissing Jesus, umbrah triple 3!
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2022-11-05 16:10 [#02622039]
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ok, not all problems are caused by jesus christ. but his followers did a lot of bad things. not that all his followers are bad. not my place to judge anything or anyone ;-)
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