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scientists are working on analysing the human brain all the time. imagine if they could actually read your mind, even transmit words into your mind. even elon musk thinks it could be used to heal mental illnesses, help the deaf to hear again, help the blind to see... but what if a government had this technology and used it to punish people they don't like? if it was possible, would it be right or wrong to use it against someone like Putin? |
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man, elon musk is selling lots of elon musk. he jumps in all this ambitious proyects like colonizing mars, a complete map of the brain etc it all amounts to nothing because it's just a sales pitch to get people to invest in this moronic proyects. i like to think consciousness and the universe itself cannot be fully understood my the human mind or computed into a machine. science has advanced lots and all but the really hard questions(what is life, what is consciousness how did the universe begin) remain a mistery. so reading the brains totally, its already being done (brain activity can be monitored). reading the mind it's a whole different thing |
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Because neural signals in the brain are often noisy, decoding is extremely difficult. While the past two decades have seen some success decoding sensory-motor signals into computational commands – allowing for impressive feats like moving a cursor across a screen with the mind or manipulating a robotic arm – brain activity associated with other forms of cognition, like speech, have remained too complex to decode. But advances in deep learning, an AI technique that mimics the brain’s ability to learn from experience, is changing what’s possible. In April this year, a research team at the University of California, San Francisco, published results of a successful attempt at translating neural activity into speech via a deep-learning powered BCI. The team placed small electronic arrays directly on the brains of five people and recorded their brain activity, as well as the movement of their jaws, mouths and tongues as they read out loud from children’s books. This data was then used to train two algorithms: one learned how brain signals instructed the facial muscles to move; the other learned how these facial movements became audible speech. |
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https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/08/brain-computer-i nterfaces-are-coming-will-we-be-ready.html |
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1) it will be possbible eventually, given humanity has enough time. and it will be done then, but, when it is going to happen? its like looking into a glass bowl. take other technologies like fusion reactors. we know its possible in theory and engineers and scientists keep saying its about to happen in 30 years from now for over 60 years already. it could happen tomorrow it may never happen at all. |
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2) most certainly we should use technology reading our mind to help us understand how it works. furthermore im glad we already have substances that helps our mind to not drift off into insanity for example, so i would be happy to have better ways to help our brains or brain/motor issues. 3) now the tricky part: first of all how do we get there? whose brains get messed with during the research? the only ethical way i can think of would be volunteers. that means harming no animals or humans, no complying or submitting for crappy reasons. secondly, i guess -->the government should be kept out of any usage.<-- -->no one must be altered against his will<-- if by law you are a criminal, lets say with a condition and an urge to abuse people like a pedophile. i havent knowingly spoken to a pedophile, but, from most what i read or saw its something people hardly have any control over, yet many wished they had or could get rid of this urge. many seek psychiatric help, before or after they they gave in to it. so i would guess that there would be many willing to have their minds altered to get rid of this and be treated like having any other illness. but it should be up to them to take treatment or decline. im sure the public and governments would be under great stress, wanting to use mind altering technology using arguments of how it would help society and people. considering how governments have abused and experimented with brainwashing methods and torture -->we might not be ready for this yet<-- |
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about putin: are scientists positively sure he has a brain at all? |
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mate don't worry it's never been possible because it's based on faulty philosophical assumptions on the nature of our minds, neuroscience is plagued with , and elon musk is a grifter whose whole shtick is selling scifi fantasies to idiot investors. the fact that they're bringing machine learning into all this is just further reason to doubt their claims lol. the most we could hope for in our lifetimes is maybe decoding a few low resolution pictures out of our visual cortex. |
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will probably be like this 20 second bit in brasseye |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63195653 on a side note, it's kind of gruesome to think they can grow braincells to play pong type bci drone control into youtube and you'll find some vids of brain computer interfaces |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain–computer_interface#Sy nthetic_telepathy/silent_communication this whole article is so fucked up |
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wrong thread "synthetic telepathy" belongs in cool band names nice read, nice terms |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0flOo4G9sns |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFzmE2fGXA&t=2s |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUHDK59Igw |
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i think you are approaching this with the wrong lens. "is mind reading technology possible?" ...well, what do you mean by "mind-reading?" if you mean facebook's hand gesture controls being able to read your reactions for advertising purposes -- along with your eye movements in your VR headset -- then yes, this is absolutely possible. from there... well, from the context, the prompts, and a lot of reaction data, you can begin to surmise someone's state of mind. but you still absolutely cannot reach in and, like, hear their inner monologue. some japanese scientists, ten years back, spent a lot of time in an MRI: first, watching youtube videos, and recording the visual cortex, the frontal lobes, reacting to the youtube videos. after... i think it was actually hundreds of hours... watching youtube vids in an MRI... they could then essentially get a video feed, a very grainy video feed, made out of bits of youtube videos (like macaroni art) out of the researchers. they then did something just so mind-blowingly wonderful: they recorded video of the guys dreaming. it drives me crazy so few know that humanity has actually pulled this off. ...but, like i said, hundreds of hours in an MRI, and it's grainy macaroni art made from youtube videos. no one's a clue how to hear your inner monologue; your personal thoughts. advertisers can do some damage but they're just measuring crude physical reactions |
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i've thought very much about... can you upload your brain into a computer? because, hey, it's kind of predictable i'm into the idea. however, a year or two ago; this was utterly gutting: i realized that people like elon musk would get to go greens on the brain upload and rupert murdoch would live forever and as much as i do want to upload my brain to a computer [once my body is spent] i'm not sure it's worth it, or if i'd even get the chance it's still interesting to discuss, like "is it possible?" and i think a key element missing is rhythm; timing. it's not just about the cloud-storage of data in the neurons; if you extract that and stop there you've just a useless stub. because a lot of that data is essentially keeping a tally on the constant waltz of neural signals that never stops, not even when you sleep. that, an MRI actually does not track neural activity, it tracks blood flow in the brain; astrocytes. the brain's power distribution network. which is also part of the "computation" process. neurons themselves are far quicker than an MRI can capture, and we can still get video of japanese men dreaming out of them. so if you're a nervous sort please do take a deep breath and nod at how much even these loud smart people don't even know, they don't know |
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rice university |
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instead of dismissing the idea, check the darpa video |
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