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is mind reading technology even possible?

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-10-15 23:47 [#02621614]
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scientists are working on analysing the human brain all the
time. imagine if they could actually read your mind, even
transmit words into your mind.

even elon musk thinks it could be used to heal mental
illnesses, help the deaf to hear again, help the blind to

but what if a government had this technology and used it to
punish people they don't like?

if it was possible, would it be right or wrong to use it
against someone like Putin?


offline kei9 from Argentina on 2022-10-16 00:14 [#02621616]
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man, elon musk is selling lots of elon musk. he jumps in all
this ambitious proyects like colonizing mars, a complete map
of the brain etc it all amounts to nothing because it's
just a sales pitch to get people to invest in this moronic

i like to think consciousness and the universe itself cannot
be fully understood my the human mind or computed into a

science has advanced lots and all but the really hard
questions(what is life, what is consciousness how did the
universe begin) remain a mistery.

so reading the brains totally, its already being done (brain
activity can be monitored). reading the mind it's a whole
different thing


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-10-16 10:32 [#02621618]
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Because neural signals in the brain are often noisy,
decoding is extremely difficult. While the past two decades
have seen some success decoding sensory-motor signals into
computational commands – allowing for impressive feats
like moving a cursor across a screen with the mind or
manipulating a robotic arm – brain activity associated
with other forms of cognition, like speech, have remained
too complex to decode.

But advances in deep learning, an AI technique that mimics
the brain’s ability to learn from experience, is changing
what’s possible. In April this year, a research team at
the University of California, San Francisco, published
results of a successful attempt at translating neural
activity into speech via a deep-learning powered BCI.

The team placed small electronic arrays directly on the
brains of five people and recorded their brain activity, as
well as the movement of their jaws, mouths and tongues as
they read out loud from children’s books. This data was
then used to train two algorithms: one learned how brain
signals instructed the facial muscles to move; the other
learned how these facial movements became audible speech.


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-10-16 10:38 [#02621619]
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offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-10-16 11:15 [#02621620]
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1) it will be possbible eventually,
given humanity has enough time.

and it will be done then, but, when it is going to happen?
its like looking into a glass bowl.

take other technologies like fusion reactors.
we know its possible in theory and engineers and scientists
keep saying its about to happen in 30 years from now for
over 60 years already.

it could happen tomorrow it may never happen at all.


offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-10-16 11:51 [#02621621]
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2) most certainly we should use technology reading our mind
to help us understand how it works. furthermore im glad we
already have substances that helps our mind to not drift off
into insanity for example, so i would be happy to have
better ways to help our brains or brain/motor issues.

3) now the tricky part:
first of all how do we get there?
whose brains get messed with during the research?
the only ethical way i can think of would be volunteers.
that means harming no animals or humans,
no complying or submitting for crappy reasons.

secondly, i guess
-->the government should be kept out of any usage.<--
-->no one must be altered against his will<--
if by law you are a criminal, lets say with a condition and
an urge to abuse people like a pedophile. i havent knowingly
spoken to a pedophile, but, from most what i read or saw its
something people hardly have any control over, yet many
wished they had or could get rid of this urge. many seek
psychiatric help, before or after they they gave in to it.
so i would guess that there would be many willing to have
their minds altered to get rid of this and be treated like
having any other illness. but it should be up to them to
take treatment or decline.

im sure the public and governments would be under great
stress, wanting to use mind altering technology using
arguments of how it would help society and people.
considering how governments have abused and experimented
with brainwashing methods and torture
-->we might not be ready for this yet<--


offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-10-16 11:53 [#02621622]
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about putin:
are scientists positively sure he has a brain at all?


offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2022-10-16 15:17 [#02621623]
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mate don't worry it's never been possible because it's based
on faulty philosophical assumptions on the nature of our
minds, neuroscience is plagued with bad research, and elon
musk is a grifter whose whole shtick is selling scifi
fantasies to idiot investors. the fact that they're bringing
machine learning into all this is just further reason to
doubt their claims lol.
the most we could hope for in our lifetimes is maybe
decoding a few low resolution pictures out of our visual


offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2022-10-16 15:23 [#02621625]
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will probably be like this 20 second bit in brasseye


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-10-17 20:59 [#02621643]
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on a side note, it's kind of gruesome to think they can grow
braincells to play pong

type bci drone control into youtube and you'll find some
vids of brain computer interfaces


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-10-17 21:03 [#02621644]
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this whole article is so fucked up


offline kei9 from Argentina on 2022-10-18 05:04 [#02621649]
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wrong thread "synthetic telepathy" belongs in cool band

nice read, nice terms


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-11-11 13:56 [#02622211]
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offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-11-11 13:57 [#02622212]
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offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-11-11 13:58 [#02622213]
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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-11-12 01:17 [#02622219]
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i think you are approaching this with the wrong lens. "is
mind reading technology possible?"

...well, what do you mean by "mind-reading?"

if you mean facebook's hand gesture controls being able to
read your reactions for advertising purposes -- along with
your eye movements in your VR headset -- then yes, this is
absolutely possible. from there... well, from the context,
the prompts, and a lot of reaction data, you can begin to
surmise someone's state of mind. but you still absolutely
cannot reach in and, like, hear their inner monologue.

some japanese scientists, ten years back, spent a lot of
time in an MRI: first, watching youtube videos, and
recording the visual cortex, the frontal lobes, reacting to
the youtube videos. after... i think it was actually
hundreds of hours... watching youtube vids in an MRI... they
could then essentially get a video feed, a very grainy video
feed, made out of bits of youtube videos (like macaroni art)
out of the researchers. they then did something just so
mind-blowingly wonderful: they recorded video of the guys
dreaming. it drives me crazy so few know that humanity has
actually pulled this off.

...but, like i said, hundreds of hours in an MRI, and it's
grainy macaroni art made from youtube videos. no one's a
clue how to hear your inner monologue; your personal
thoughts. advertisers can do some damage but they're just
measuring crude physical reactions


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-11-12 02:10 [#02622220]
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i've thought very much about... can you upload your brain
into a computer? because, hey, it's kind of predictable i'm
into the idea.

however, a year or two ago; this was utterly gutting: i
realized that people like elon musk would get to go greens
on the brain upload and rupert murdoch would live forever
and as much as i do want to upload my brain to a computer
[once my body is spent] i'm not sure it's worth it, or if
i'd even get the chance

it's still interesting to discuss, like "is it possible?"
and i think a key element missing is rhythm; timing. it's
not just about the cloud-storage of data in the neurons; if
you extract that and stop there you've just a useless stub.
because a lot of that data is essentially keeping a tally on
the constant waltz of neural signals that never stops, not
even when you sleep. that, an MRI actually does not track
neural activity, it tracks blood flow in the brain;
astrocytes. the brain's power distribution network. which is
also part of the "computation" process. neurons themselves
are far quicker than an MRI can capture, and we can still
get video of japanese men dreaming out of them. so if you're
a nervous sort please do take a deep breath and nod at how
much even these loud smart people don't even know, they
don't know


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-11-12 17:13 [#02622250]
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darpa rice university

history channel


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-11-12 17:14 [#02622251]
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ghost in the shell


offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2022-11-14 19:26 [#02622296]
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instead of dismissing the idea, check the darpa video


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