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i am seeing some articles -- and they could be wrong -- indicating the US is in the process of requiring everyone to enroll in some private company thing called id.me the process involves installing an app on your phone and taking a "video selfie" that uses a facial-recognition biometrics profile, and submit your birth certificate, etc. and possibly be subjected to a live interview. on the one hand, i get it. trump's checks got massively abused; scammers calling it "easy money." place i moved into had been empty for a few months and i move in and i'm getting stimulus chex for some chinese person and, fuck, someone was using the empty place as a dead drop. thankfully they seemed to have ran away screaming once the place was no longer empty ...but, in any case, i get why they want solid verification. the level of hassle almost makes sense. however, this is a private company -- that i have never heard of before now -- that will now have all my root certificates, essentially. birth certificate, SSN, biometric data. and excuse fucking me, but what if those dipshits get hacked, like fucking everything else has over the last few years? then you get into: how the fuck do people in rural areas without internet or smartfones pay their taxes? because they're acting like this will eventually be a requirement to pay your taxes |
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starting to feel like having multiple smartfones will become a fact of life. too much shit wanting app permissions; location data |
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i half wonder if it's just online submissions. that you can dodge the whole pile of crap by sending it registered mail the old-skool way |
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as if taxes aren't enough of a p. i. teh assss already |
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just stewing on it all. "money's not real, we made it up" sure, ok. but what money represents in practical reality is human time and effort -- and that we made it up does not change this. the US has increasingly moved away from ground conflicts, even proxy wars, in favor of being an economic 800lb gorilla. i didn't stress it too hard until now. but this is really starting to nosedive into "the government runs your bank account" |
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there is no security online and there wont ever be get your id the old fashioned way. go to the IRS or another federal building in person, look into somebodys face, they look into yours, check your paper. case closed. it´s not that big of a deal, where you live or how far your next IRS or fed building is doenst matter either. you´ll only do this about once in your life or per immigration. |
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but go ahead, government, get all the biometric data you want to prevent all this terror that threatens us every single moment of our lives.. |
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"money's not real, we made it up" sure, ok. but what money represents in practical reality is human time and effort -- and that we made it up does not change this. exactly lol ur so close to getting it a fun exercise: how long would it take you, at your current salary, to make a billion dollars? A hundred billion? |
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555555,5 years from now i had a billion if i save 150€ per month 69444,4 years if i had absolutley no expenses the thing is money is not made up, its exaggerated |
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it's neither made up not exaggerated, it's amplified by harvesting the value of surplus labour. a commodity tends to fall to its cost of reproduction labour power is a commodity its cost of reproduction is the cost of keeping workers alive, and sometimes even allowing them to reproduce new lil' labourers after you've worked a few hours you've created the value you need to sustain your life (if you're lucky - lately, not so much even!). but can you then go home? of course not, you have to work for the rest of your 8 hour shift plus unpaid overtime plus whatever time answering email at night and working remotely on weekends because that's when you're creating profit for the owners. that's the surplus value they appropriate from you |
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what's that quote, something like "the invention of money is the greatest evil man hast ever wrought upon itself", i want to say plato but it could be another one of the wise olds |
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OK but that's what Engels called a metaphysical way of thinking, where money has certain immutable qualities like being evil. It's a thing in itself irrespective of context. Versus on the other hand a dialectical way of thinking, where instead of essences you see forces, often contradictory, and stages of history and development, which are necessary - you can't get from A to C without passing through B. Money makes sense at a certain stage of development, where there's scarcity and it can represent abstract labour so you can easily value and trade vastly different products and services. And money is necessary for the capitalist stage of human development, which as Marx and Engels pointed out in the Manifesto has produced works greater than the pyramids. Where money starts to fail is in late capitalism, where we have the practical ability to produce enough for everyone, a world of abundance, but it's held back because instead of serving human need we serve effective demand - the ability to pay. So we have crisis after crisis, goods aren't produced, and even in good times, products are destroyed rather than consumed, because you can't have free things undercutting the price of the things that can still be sold. And as capital accumulates in the hands of a few it impoverishes the many, destroying the effective demand that it needs to continue growing. We're outgrowing the necessary evil of money. |
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a dialectical way of thinking, where instead of essences you see forces, often contradictory, and stages of history and development, which are necessary - you can't get from A to C without passing through B. as a way of codifying, tabulating and increasing misery for the many, money'd take some beating. fo sho on the stages of history, shit is bound to be messy, this is all humanity's potentially-lethal growing pains. i don't think *anything* is inherently "evil" tho, we are the creators of meaning, including the idea of a meaning at all |
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tony fleetmouse, you've been right about some shit. however, then you keep going, and perhaps you're still right, but then you become utterly useless -- rapidly. i'd prefer to be a bit wrong and work with the current reality rather than tirelessly argue for shit that is never going to happen and i cannot see a future where humans can part with the concept of currency. even in star trek, the shiny future where mankind has settled its shit, people place wagers, bet each other a replicator ration. i think it goes deeper than extracting value from less-fortunate humans... i think people also need money for motivation, for a sense of accomplishment. single moms working three jobs is utter crap, totally... but at the opposite end of the spectrum, i feel like there are plenty of people who would just watch TV all day if they weren't obligated to fix toilets. and someone will always have to fix the toilets, even on the starship enterprise. |
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We already have abundance or potential abundance if only our economy were centered on human need rather than profit. Even in the 1930s about men pouring kerosene on produce that couldn't be sold for a profit. Same thing happens with Amazon stock, perfectly good products destroyed because it's cheaper to shred entire laptops rather than pay Bezos to keep them on the shelves or have them shipped back. We don't need star trek replicators. And clean your own goddamn toilet! |
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just because it was a sassy, hilarious analogy does not give you license to flush it so dismissively -- there will always be jobs no one wants to do, like pumping septic systems and mucking porta-potties (the design of which has remained essentially unchanged since the 60s, by the way [they switched to blue water merely because it hides what lurks beneath]) maybe with another fifty years of technology, robots can fix our toilets, and maybe then we can ditch currency. until then, there will be that, along with a number of other rather dreadful jobs that no one would do for anything except currency |
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maybe this will give you some hope, tony canada ~ i am listening to the npr and they're talking about the state of the economy of giant monolith movies and one of the commentators says, "i spoke with one guy, and he had no idea there was another version of west side story out, and it's directed by steven spielberg! that's a household name!" i thot: i had no idea either then they get into: you just can't reach a mass audience like that anymore without tens of millions; you need ads during all the sports games and billboards and... otherwise, it doesn't break through. i thot: fair enough. i heard of that spiderman bullshit despite despising the whole marvel universe. i also thot the origin west side story was funny, and not in a laughing with them way. snap. snap. absolutely no desire to see a remake of something i thought was goofball crap in the first place in the same way there used to be so many different hosting companies that an amazon outage won't take out the entire east coast's business day, maybe now, people may now be so effectively bubbled off by social media that it is now economically un-viable to attempt buying millions in profits via seeding it with a siphon of marketing. and maybe that will give you hope. perhaps you'll even furrow your brow less |
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oh, huh! while i'm on the subject of the poop deck of the starship enterprise... according to legend, a placard is mounted on the door of the ladies' restroom on the enterprise, text reading: where no man has gone before |
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Look at you working it out for yourself! Cool! What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it. What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor. For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another. [...] In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! - Marx, |
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i saw the other day and it made me think my rambling here ~ they totally miss it in the article, but this same effect is part of the process -- people are filter bubbled off in their personalized search results and balkanized internet communities; the US has even developed a thing where iPhone users complain about Android users ruining group message chains. so, exactly same as movies, it becomes impossibly expensive to mass-promote anything n'sync-level because there's no longer a few cable channels you can rely on to always reach everyone. so they have to get some sports ads too. advertise on google, facebook. experiment with "organic" marketing, as if any if it is anything but artifical the end result is, like all the movie reboots, everyone is in a bidding war for bob dylan's masters, as they do not require any marketing. the NPR described the massive studios attempting to compensate by pouring more $$$$ into marketing as "like trying to fill a well by throwing in pebbles" i never expected an upside from filter bubbles, really. probably has something to do with why stuff will blow up on soundcloud for a year before up the nose of the charts with a hype williams video guest appearance on SNL -- like, ok, it's safe now, we get a good price on the beef when we feed it through the abattoir sort of like how biodiversity prevents a pathogen from infecting everything at once. |
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our local cinema closed. there always was a mainstream cinema in the city center. it was our small city center´s mini mall that connected the inner city shopping to the main station. it was a good one, nice projectors, 8 halls and i saw a ton of movies there with friends, family and my woman. i did went to the movies less and less, partly due to the pricing but mainly because i wasnt interested in most of the movies. there was no martial arts for decades, i have outgrown mainstream comedies, missed a couple of sci-fi flicks because ads didnt reach me (on topic) and im incapable of watching disney in german dubbing for the songs (you have no idea). i still went though, for star wars, mad max or predators and i went to a couple of special nights like grease etc. so im quite sad its gone and wont re-open ever. it is going to be a medical center like half of the city is by now, while the other half is empty or 1€-shops. i guess one of the last bastions of movie advertising is radio. maybe half of the workplaces i know and many commuters have it running at all times in their car. just a fraction of those recipants spread the news over a new dune etc here or with their contacts. so that still works. regular movie goers look at the local programme, especially those with kids. but indeed a huge part of the market is lost due to the inability to be reached. |
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