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in 4 hours from now, we will have a new chancellor in germany. cant wait to see the first results. will we be able to deselect covid out of the world, by cancelling all measurements? will our pensions be chocolate coins, or will they melt in global warming? will there be fairtrade cocoa and sugar in it? will we exit the nato and found a new coalition of power? and will it be called the naughto? |
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To quote graffiti I saw in my youth, whoever you vote for the government still gets in. |
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or the lobby always does. well however even small change is due and welcome i have my fingers crossed and cant wait another hour |
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As we are on the subject of Germany, can you tell me, is Heinrich Schliemann well known there? |
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ill have to google that name, but im not well with potentially well known names |
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so the result is kind of a draw and no change is in sight, as usual, despite the fact that the votes have been split into as many as 6 parties with participation in parliament, 5 of which a coalition could be built of. but since neither right nor left, liberal not social, green nor anti-green have a valiable impact nothing is going to happen. the count is not final yet. especially postal votes have not been taken into account properly, but i doubt it will make a significant change as to the coalition building. which is a shame because according to the surveys, there was hope indeed. |
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ok so now i know who he was, why do you ask? did you study archeology or troy? |
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I'm reading interesting book, which centres on the archaeological discoveries of him and Sir Arthur Evans; as a child he fell in love with Homer (not Simpson) and determined to become rich simply to be able to prove historicity of Homeric legends. I wondered if he might be famous within Germany still. |
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well as far as im concerned hes not that well known in the public. recently there have been novels about humboldt and other discoverers that helped map the world etc. which have also turned into movies aswell, but i dont think schliemann is considered up in that league. it sounds quite a discovery though to prove those antique kings and heroes actually lived. |
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back on topic, its kind of a draw in the election, neither of the big parties could build a governing coalition with their preferred like minded minor parties. it all depends on what the minor neo-liberal party FDP agrees on, which is quite difficult. the centred social economics SPD won 25,7% to 24,1% against the centred conservative CDU/CSU UNION. Now the hope for many (sane) people was that a slight change in taxes would enable the government to fight climate change aswell as give social justice and fight poverty, with a coalition of the SPD with the smaller socialist LINKE (4,9%) and the strong green party (14,8%) but with the tax model of the FDP instead of the one from the left, nothing like that could be financed unless you cut health & social or go in debt. Apart from a big coalition of the two major parties which was not favoured by anyone (ANYONE) (EVER AGAIN) there is no way to govern without those neo-liberal mfers. and thats a shame because it was so damn close. surveys even saw a green chancellor at times not long ago. |
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oh yeah and 10% voted for the nazi party because they deny climate change and promise corona will be over if we stop protecting ourselves. |
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Yeah, the guy correctly determined the location of Troy and acted upon that determination and actually found it, and that was only the beginning. Back to the election, are the Christian Democrats a more centrist version of the Social Democrats or are they quite different? Also, I thought all Nazi symbology (and therefore any Nazi Party) were banned in Germany? |
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what does it have to do with nazi symbology? they share similar far right ideology as the nazi party but they can't call themselves a nazi party |
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nailed it luckily so far no party was willing to let them into their coalition |
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When you said the nazi party won 10% of the vote in the German election I thought you meant the nazi party won 10% of the vote in the German election, I don't know what I was thinking. |
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the SPD used to be quite different to the CDU/CSU (UNION). But over time both parties centered to appease the voter, which kind of resulted in them being frowned upon by everyone, who take politics halfway seriously. why they became so indistinguishable has many reasons and i uess no one can pin it on a certain event. now the two big parties not only need one coalition partner but maybe two, since smaller parties took their share off their voters to the left or right. i kind of like that development cause there is a more precise way to vote now; but the risk of losing your voice completely because your party is to small to make it into the bundestag (parliament) has also grown with this. sadly though there is no coherent majority this time to successfully lead one direction and it was so close to getting it right this time. anyway the parties will now have to agree on specific details in their coalition treaty and try to get along as best as they can when more current topics appear during the legislation period. to me this is a big improvement over the big coalition of UNION and SPD which equaled grinding to a complete stillstand and it is better than the right/centered neoliberal regency of merkels UNION after all. |
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whos the new chancelor |
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Olaf Scholz (SPD) of the social democrats has the most votes, so he is most likely to become the new chancelor, but the parties still argue on the details of their cooperation. This may take a few weeks or even result in new elections. Since the preferred coalition partners (LEFT & Green) are just a few seats short of giving the SPD an absolute majority to vote over the opposition in parliament, the parties have to agree on what terms they will be willing to form a government. Possible coalitions are: SPD, Green, FDP (but maybe FDP doesnt agree) CDU, SPD (a big coalition neither parties nor voters want) CDU, Green, FDP (which the green would like to avoid) we still have time to wait out the final count in a couple of weeks time, which wont make a change i guess. |
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in any way, the voters have made clear they dont want Armin Laschet, CDU´s candidate, for chancellor. his party has the biggest losses in history and most people utter their dislike for him. even CDU voters say they dont like him but still voted for the party. he clearly lost this election. im looking forward to getting rid of him as minister of the department North Rhine Westfalia i live in, he wont get re-elected here, im sure :) |
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