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probably formulated in Davos, how long till we see it in the rest of the west https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/security/governme nt-considering-100-points-of-id-to-get-facebook-tinder-acco unt/news-story/624550c621d662da7d3bd98ff3f0e888 |
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initially i thought social media accounts now cost you a 100 credits in bail. so when you fuck up it will be gone. dont know what to make of this really. on the one hand i want people to be accountable for their actions. on the other you have the privacy issues. afaik, in the eu or germany the state has the right and possibilities to ask the providers about your ip adress, and bust your ass, if you break the law. that includes harrassment in social media. good enough for me. in any case it would mean the end of xltronic! |
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social media simlpy shifts their problem to the government. any social media platform should be responsible to keep it clean by sane means of moderating by themselves. sure enough it costs them money when all they want is more data, data, data, greedy mongrels. |
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The clear issue I can see is how they can arbitrarily censor what they deem acceptable, I know they can already do that to a certain extent, but this seems to make things much easier If they can immediately identify who is behind a comment. They could even couple it with an AI agent to root out political dissidence. Its only a couple of further steps until you have something like China's social credit system, this seems to be a building block in such a system to my eyes. I get what you're saying about personal responsibility, but surely this is far too intrusive, who gets to be the moral arbiter of your life. I'd much rather have some offended people who choose not to log in rather than the government decided what's acceptable, governments don't usually have a good track record in this sort of area as far as I can tell |
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I sound like a libertarian, oh dear I suppose an awkward analogy would be if every time you said something in public, or made some sort of statement you had to produce your identity card so they had you bang to rights |
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It might start off fine if they band racist hateful behaviour, but its a slippery slope, I'm sure you have already figured it out yourself |
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Yeah i mean its imperfect, but it seems fairly adequate, i saw subreddits go dark to complain about another subreddit on that site that spread misinformation on COVID, cos the company wouldn't initially ban it, probably was generating Ad revenue, but eventually they had to cos the other subreddits went dark, this sort of community led approach seems to work well in some respects |
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actually, had no clue about the social credit system in china. looked it up now on wiki. gross. lets not have it anywhere in any form. |
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Australia is increasingly becoming an authoritarian shithole run by self righteous Marxist cunts. I wish the people would stand up for their fuckin liberties more there. UK too. |
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seem more fascist than marxist but i guess at the extreme its the same side of the shit sandwich, so won't quibble about terminologies |
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yeah incredibly dystopian isnt it, even Orwell couldn't have concieve of that evil |
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Australia becomes even more right-wing authoritarian. Wolfslice: those damn Marxists! |
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Marxism has never led to anything BUT authoritarianism. Ever. It's not really a problem with the system mind you, but with human nature in groups. Either way if you think this legislation is coming from anywhere but the "progressive" left, i have a bridge to sell you. |
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Also just generally if you think authoritarian=right you are sorely mistaken. You can absolutely be authoritarian left (communist), authoritarian right (republican/conservative), libertarian left (identity politic safe space crybabies) or lib right (beefcake libertarians). No political compass mixes those axis. You can pinpoint those calling for "real id" and nanny state regulation of the internet pretty accurately in the authoritarian left. China is one of the worst offenders and it sits right there. Anyway no more politics for the day, your statement just needed to get worked over a bit. |
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that's all true, just happens the Australian ones are definitely on the right of the spectrum |
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I'm trying to look up who drafted this legislation based on the article. Sadly, there isn't much when I google "Australian facebook real ID" or ID requirement, It just says in the article it's coming from "The Morrison Government," led by Scott Morrison, who from what I can tell was a leader in the Liberal Party. Now, I could be wrong and over there Liberals are Conservates the way water flushes the opposite way and their winter is in July. If you have some kind of link to show me this is coming from the political right, I'll accept it. This sort of legislation typically comes from the left. |
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Yeah this type of stuff comes from the whole gamut of the political spectrum, and Marxist China no doubt. And yes they are to the right, and its back to from from what it means in American terms like you said |
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back to front |
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although to say they are strictly Marxist now is a bit of a misnomer i reckon, can't see a very good implementation what Marx intended, not that I'm an apologist for communism |
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I'm no political expert btw, I know this is something I would never sign up for in a million years, |
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Well I'll accept that, I dont understand Australia's political mechanisms, if things are all switched around. And one thing I've been trying to work on is not seeing people who disagree with me as shit people. They're just individuals too. I don't want to trade many of my freedoms for securities, but some people do and they're ok. I understand WHY, I just don't agree. I've been taking acid every 6 months or so and feel kind of one with all lately. When people organize into groups (teams, governments, corporations, affiliations, unions, etc) everything always becomes us vs them, and it eats away at everything. I wanna respect each individual as an individual. <3 |
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yeah if you boil it down, its a system of control via fear, political affiliations almost don't matter these things happen in every technologically advanced society I reckon, if there is something a powerbase can abuse to further control it will do it |
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this sort of legislation typically comes from the left?! |
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It's a function of having a lot of bureaucracy related to social intervention, so yeah usually from the left, when it comes to internet censorship. Not always though. This isn't the first time with Australia. China is obviously the big one. And of course North Korea, Cuba etc. Germany is leftist and has a lot of this sort of real-person validation for age restricted stuff, and general censorship of blood and violence. The UK has the "Online Safety Bill" which grants Ofcom the ability to censor things that are "legal but harmful." I don't really know what side that came from though. I'd bet on the left. I think the right is probably more prone to spying than censorship-- Patriot act, etc. Bush's goons would show up at your door if you googled the wrong thing after 9/11, by a lot of accounts. Islamic nations on the far right also obviously censor a lot of shit, pretty much all of them. I'm sure they monitor some kind of "social credit score" even if it's not that in name. |
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meant Moaist China |
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i have never seen germany as leftist in my whole life. 16 years of conservative party government, followed by a brief social/green period which apart from some fantastic green politics has futher diminished privacy and social values, followed by 16 years of conservative coalition has been constantly doing all the things the left criticises governments all over the world for. liberal market policy (greed & corruption) and decreasing social standards. by rule of thumb refugees have been fucked over, with slight improvements over the past 4 years. they are in no way leftist. as a matter of fact the only leftist / marxist party is excluded from all coalition the same way the neo-nazi party is, which now has 10% in the coming election btw. anyway privacy and internet freedom has been cut deeply over and over again since thats what power does, secure power. in that i agree. |
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btw a big german newspaper has let an institute calculate the tax models of all parties for the coming election. the state and the majority of the people would benefit the most from the leftist party. roughly everyone under 20.000€ /year would pay 6% less taxes, everyone above 300.000€ pays 6% more taxes. this would result in poorer having a bit off their chest. the rich wont even notice the difference and the state would have 90.000.000.000+ yes, 90 billions to spend on schools, healthcare, infrastructure and to support green economy. the worst case liberal party on the other hand would rather give everyone a tax release, which would proportionally let thre rich get lots richer and the state would make a minus of 88 billion per annum. so the party that advocates a strong economy would ruin the state in less than a legislation. the left party everyone hates for supposingly wanting everyone to be poor would stabilize the economy aswell as society. i wrote this in a hurry but look it up if youre interested |
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I don't think there is many centre left governments outside of Scandinavia, Nordic countries have the best human development indexes in the world and are often number one in other metrics like happiness, longevity and education. |
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Whats weird is all those people in Red states in America dying of Covid and then cos they don't have health insurance asking people to gofundme, their family member funeral costs or the ones that survive medication, which sounds like some form of socialism to me |
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I mean that's what Socialism means to me a priority on the most vulnerable members of society, not impinging on other peoples rights, seems in America its become a sort of code work for Marxism or something which is really weird. |
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When it comes to state and religion they to believe in maximum interference, from a fundamentalist "Christian" perspective (i.e. not Christian in the slightest), but when it comes to the state and any kind of personal interference, that is left-wing socialism/communism/marxism (all interchangeable terms to most Ameriqans), including "hand-outs" to individuals. The grifters know it makes no sense, they're only interested in furthering their agenda of the state being controlled by ultra-conservative capitalist slavers - e.g. Fox News members being vaccinated while pushing anti-vax broadcasts on the channel. |
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its next level fucked up that they are that are self medicating with horse medication cos the level of indoctrination they have |
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Yeah i'm on that subreddit, and the Leopards Ate My Face subreddit. They're interesting but also depressing because it shows how lacking in empathy society is, and how people on the left are really just as bad, because they'll get hard-ons over the death and misery of chumps who, most of them, are also victims of their circumstances and social programming. |
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yeah i wouldn't never wish death on another human being like the people who post there, they lack empathy |
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As you said we didn't all have the same experiences in life that led us to bad decisions, as you said its the most depressing forum cos, its watching people be pleased over the death of ignorant people. |
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i have very strong feelings against all those pics, gifs memes and what not. only the worst nonsense and false information seems to spread. if we were reduced to text it might be a huge improvement after all. i get hateful and sarcastic images from all the sides and hardly any have been providing me with useful information or have been proving true. they all just do one thing. antagonize. putting us in trenches against each other. i keep telling people if they read about the facts or know the sources and read about lots of the stuff spending time correcting, but most people are just looking to see their opinions shared. in some ways i might do this aswell. the only thing i loved to share was the statistics about the tax plans, which appear to be valid. they reflect what i have always been talking about, that people who want to make a business or have comfort in life or simply have food on the table, jobs and an education constantly vote against the parties who would actually help them. what i find most impressive is immigrants voting the right wing. leaves me speechless. |
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Thanks for that write up! My dad lives in Herrenberg, so I've visited Germany a number of times. I absolutely love it there. It's always been taxed more heavily (most noticeable for me at the gas pump), but I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of the economy and how that's shifted between parties. I do know a lot of their socialized programs are working pretty well. My interest is almost purely in censorship. I HATE IT. I would say that I hate censorship more than anything else. Germany is frankly, not good with it. It IS a nanny state when it comes to a free exchange of ideas, and in Germany's case I do know where the legislation is coming from and it's not bigoted christians, but self righteous progressives. You have a fundamental right to freedom of speech, you were born with it, always have it, until its taken away by someone claiming authority over you. You have the right to bad takes. If you can't exercise them out in the open, you'll whisper them behind closed doors. Marginalizing certain viewpoints just makes them all quietly band together and strengthen their shit takes. Whereas if you just leave things alone, most people can read something that's way off and debate it (internally or externally), and come out smarter for having even read something stupid. The far end of the left doesn't think we're capable of that, and thinks we should be protected from ever having seen it in the first place. I'll stand against that whenever I can. |
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yeah there is some sort of self flagellation going on when I see second generation American immigrants voting for the Republicans. But yeah voting against your own interests or those of your fellow man is spreading across the world now, UK is practically a one party state now |
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What with corporate colonialism, states are going to become pretty marginalised - and now that climate change is irreversible and we're all doomed, it helps to explain why these billionaire cunts like elon musk are pushing hard to corporate-colonise mars. |
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it feels really shitty to realise you're living in a dystopian, environmental apocalypse movie, the next few decades are going to be a hellride for all of us |
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afaik the only censorship takes place in openly calling to violence against persons or people and the usage of third reich insignia and its picture material. we re kind of sensitive to that. im sure though that people secretly exchanging nazi memorabilia gives them a boner and the feeling they belong somewhere. we dont want to give stuff like that a stage. i dont see this happening with any other topic. every once in a while though someone now comes up and tries to blame immigrants for something, which results in a huge media turmoil most of the time. open discussions on tv were able to expose this kind of attention seeking to what it is. populists parties do get their fair share of voters now. it has to have a chance to run into a dead end. |
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so who’s living at australia? |
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dadonck i think he used to for some time |
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It's a bit worse than that. They've been outright banning games for years for violence too. Very recently there's also the Network Enforcement Act, desgined to "attempt to prevent and combat hate speech and fake news." This is causing problems on Twitch, because users are reporting channels they simply don't like and Germany is banning them for a significant chunk of time before they realize the streamer didn't even do anything wrong and overturn it. Maybe they'll get a little better about enforcing this in the future, but it's a fucking dogshit law to begin with imo. You could argue the merits of reducing exposure to violence, but ultimately what this is a group of people curating art for you, because they think they know what's best. |
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oh yes we censored the hell out of graphic violence and sex for a long time.80s & some 90s in games, films, comics you name it. it was terrible indeed since thats something i wanted to see as a youth. i thought this was common practice all over the world. and its common sense imo concerning minors. well in the u.s. only sex was censored to everyone and violence was ok until hustler won in court i think. anyway the display of violence that was banned in no way seems necessary to portay a certain point of view. arguing with freedom of speech is just a loophole to get away with selling graphic material. im ok with displaying sex & gore as long as it does not break the law by producing it, but i find it absurd that it needed to be argued with freedom of speech. lets just be honest and say that we simply like it for what it is. now, i was a underage gamer most years the ban was active and a big problem was that the market was targeted towards minors and for a long time didnt care to find a legal way to sell uncensored games to adults. they either sold censored games to a broad market or uncensored games to a very small customer group with hardly a profit. but honestly, you wouldnt want ANY age to have access to gory games now would you? half of the time the ban was bollocks anyway. when mortal kombat came out on console all the ads made sure you knew the date and you could buy it before it got banned. then they left all the gore in and just colored the blood green. |
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that new law youre referring to is quite a desaster and i had not heard of it before. for as long as i can remember the police banned sites that actively broke the law, as in selling child pornography, darkweb etc. so if they hunt it down and try to make it unaccessible from germany im perfectly fine with that. i trust the police enough (just about enough:) they wont abuse their power for anything but criminal activities. with filtering it totally gets out of hands. and as much as i hate these pics going round in social media, banning them by filter and especially banning the whole site is certainly not the way. |
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thats like banning caricature, you may disagree or have an asshole opinion, thats a basic right. what gets to me more is that fear and idiocy seems to get the upper hand in a media that used to be the tool of trade of intellectuals. |
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