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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2021-09-06 21:56 [#02611586]
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Heh, I remember Germany being pretty liberal when it came to sex-- when I was a kid just regular German magazines (non-pornographic) usually had a nude woman or two. I thought that was the shit when I visited Germany before age 13, a great cultural feature ;p Basically, I still think that way.
I disagree that policing what children can see should be left to the state. It should be up to the parents, that's my view. I'd like to limit the states power in all such matters. With specific regard to violence, it's been studied time and time again and there is no correlation between viewing violence and acting out violence in a healthy mind. Psychology was my college major, and I was obviously interested in the subject so I've studied it a bit. There's a link between violence and very short term aggression in boys, but it's more an immediate primer than a long term desensitization.
It doesn't matter to me if it's necessary to show it or not. Creators should be able to create what art they feel like creating, even if it's some dumb high testosterone bullshit. They should be able to do this without authoritarian impediment. There's nothing you could really say to get me to back down on that, as it's been core to my beliefs all my life and surely is reflected in my 20 years of post history here.
Anecdotally, for myself- I like all kinds of games, including violent ones. Right now I'm jamming out the steam release of Cookie Clicker and my favorite game of all time is Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge, an adventure game from the early 90s. I don't have any taste for real world violence. I don't own any firearms, and I turn away from gory scenes in horror movies if they seem too realistic and ask my girlfriend to tell me when they're over. I'd rather be punched in the fucking face than watch a video of someone being actually killed. That shit stays with me in a way a video game or movie never could.
So yeah, I simply disagree that any art should be censored, pretty much for any reason. By the st
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2021-09-06 21:57 [#02611587]
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Heh, I remember Germany being pretty liberal when it came to sex-- when I was a kid just regular German magazines (non-pornographic) usually had a nude woman or two. I thought that was the shit when I visited Germany before age 13, a great cultural feature ;p Basically, I still think that way.
I disagree that policing what children can see should be left to the state. It should be up to the parents, that's my view. I'd like to limit the states power in all such matters. With specific regard to violence, it's been studied time and time again and there is no correlation between viewing violence and acting out violence in a healthy mind. Psychology was my college major, and I was obviously interested in the subject so I've studied it a bit. There's a link between violence and very short term aggression in boys, but it's more an immediate primer than a long term desensitization.
It doesn't matter to me if it's necessary to show it or not. Creators should be able to create what art they feel like creating, even if it's some dumb high testosterone bullshit. They should be able to do this without authoritarian impediment. There's nothing you could really say to get me to back down on that, as it's been core to my beliefs all my life and surely is reflected in my 20 years of post history here.
Anecdotally, for myself- I like all kinds of games, including violent ones. Right now I'm jamming out the steam release of Cookie Clicker and my favorite game of all time is Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge, an adventure game from the early 90s. I don't have any taste for real world violence. I don't own any firearms, and I turn away from gory scenes in horror movies if they seem too realistic and ask my girlfriend to tell me when they're over. I'd rather be punched in the fucking face than watch a video of someone being actually killed. That shit stays with me in a way a video game or movie never could.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2021-09-06 21:58 [#02611588]
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meh i forgot how xltronic works ;p aight well much love ijonspeches I gotta run to work myself.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2021-09-07 00:42 [#02611590]
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I have one more thing to say about the linkage between art and government. Especially since I said "marxist cunts," which triggered Marlowe and a couple others probably. One of the reasons I strongly dislike Marxism- or what it ALWAYS amounts in actual practice- is because it doesn't create a viable infrastructure for creativity.
Aside from maybe couple of state sanctioned, inoffensive neo-classical pieces in East Germany, and a few bits of interesting abstract expressionist stuff coming out of mainland China, there's jack shit of interest. And I have *zero* doubt there's some talented motherfuckers making interesting things, they just don't have an outlet to deliver that to the populace because powers that be determine it's of no worth to the commune. Fuck em.
The best example of utopian Marxism, for me, is Star Trek (a product of capitalism, of course). It shows how well it works when there are unlimited "energy crystals," matter replication, faster than light drive, and group of humans that have "moved beyond petty greed and grievances." I'd love to live in that society. But none of that is ever going to happen, not for human beings on this planet anyway.
In the meantime if you want good art, you always turn to the most free developed societies that exist, because that's where it's coming from.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2021-09-07 18:02 [#02611601]
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that reminds me, I miss AMPI MAX
where is my cuddle bunny
where is my "little spoon"
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mermaidman
on 2021-09-07 19:18 [#02611603]
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ooohhhh!
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-08 22:52 [#02611635]
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just go on reddit and see how people group every single 'vaccine' related protest in with 'nutters' - they've have a job done on their heads.
there is no point talking to them about it... they think what they think.
Actually i would like to dis those cunts for second because they are the absolutely lowest grade lickspittle jobsworths you would NOT want to come across on earth.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-08 22:59 [#02611638]
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I don't like the ones equating not wanting vaccine passports as being against vaccines, its a totally different argument
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-08 22:59 [#02611639]
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In america they are telling cops to ask for your social media details now when they stop you
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-08 23:03 [#02611642]
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Reddit is another echo chamber like facebook, they don't do nuance, either your 100% in on the pervasive opinion or you're a troll to them
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-08 23:08 [#02611644]
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Although I think everyone should be vaccinated I'm not for Vaccine mandates amongst Adults, everyone should have freedom to do what they want to their own body. Its too much of a personal imposition. If you don't have choice over your own body what do you, but I think people who are too paranoid about the vaccine are taking a massive health risk.
Read how people die with Covid sounds fucking hellish
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-08 23:11 [#02611645]
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7 stages of Covid
They stick a Tube up your arse as well as down your throat
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 08:20 [#02611676]
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i thought about the art (or whatever kind of) censorship for a few days again and i agree that it should not happen. i dont know if there can be (philosophically arguing) exceptions to the rule, but the main point for me is that no topic ought to be taboo. whatever people create is obviously something that we as a community or individuals on this planet havent finished dealing with yet. suppressing those topics is not right and in practice may backfire.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 08:22 [#02611677]
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i dont know what to say to this madness
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 14:26 [#02611680]
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paper please!
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 14:27 [#02611681]
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also
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2021-09-09 14:50 [#02611682]
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Papers, Please
thoroughly enjoyed my playthrough of that on steam when it came out
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 15:06 [#02611683]
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ive seen that game around, never played it!
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 15:42 [#02611685]
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"The copies of the cards obtained by the Brennan Center also revealed that police are instructed to ask civilians for their social security numbers and are advised to tell interviewees that “it must be provided” under federal law."
on what basis?!?!
i really wonder who brought this up and why. it appears like pure harrassment to me.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 15:48 [#02611686]
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aren't they opening themselves up to lots of lawsuits?
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 15:51 [#02611687]
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i dont know if they could actually pull it off by any law. they are definitely furthering the hate towards their institution
and i dont understand why.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 15:56 [#02611688]
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sometimes this world just feel like it is run into the ground deliberately. people just cannot be so stupid as to constantly fuck up and piss people off.
i mean they have all the police brutality riots and debates right now, does this make it any better?
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 15:59 [#02611689]
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the bandito death squad deputies may be a symptom of this split society. makes me think about the corruption and organized crime though too.
if they just didnt ban alcohol in the 1920s...
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 16:13 [#02611690]
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LAZY_TITLE
check the tattoos they get
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 16:15 [#02611691]
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its particularly worrisome in America, the line between what you would categorise as a police man and some sort of paramilitary death squad seems very blurred, they get all this surplus military equipment from failed wars
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 16:16 [#02611692]
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 18:08 [#02611694]
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haha the peacemaker
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 19:03 [#02611695]
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the first thing i thought, when i saw the tanks was, war on drugs, late 80s early 90s.
the escalation of this violent spiral is just limitless, as is the profit being made by it
how much exactly of the u.s. economy is based on milititary, crime defense and prisons?
and how much would that be in $ per citizen a month?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 19:19 [#02611696]
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As you said it feels like they don't want to sort crime out, they want to escalate and escalate
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-09-09 19:37 [#02611697]
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yes it really feels like it and i believe its part of the probelm, but also it fits the mentality or automatism of authority seeming incapable of stepping down under pressure and looking for other ways to solve the problem.
arte showed a very insightful documentary on police brutality in germany and france. it showed the views of victims and offenders from both sides. a big topic of course was how colleagues made sure they cover each other if one stepped over the line and how rare it is that one speaks out when someone fucked up and why that is. also how the police is a military structure that on order is supposed to beat down demonstrations. france is definitely closer to the situation in the u.s.. police officers have the highest suicide rate of all professions in there being paid badly, hardly seeing their families and are often confronted with bad policy and decision making. many times they cant live with what they carried out. i never hear this from the u.s. but im sure there are similarities and ex officers spoke up.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-09-09 20:14 [#02611698]
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Yeah they have this code of complicity, like Omerta mafia code of silence. Its weird how much they parallel the criminals they pursue.
LAZY_TITLE
this guy spoke out and got threatened
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2021-09-11 06:52 [#02611743]
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stasi?
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